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  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
    edited May 2022 Posts: 1,711
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    I evidently have to go into my next viewing of Congo expecting comedy!
    )

    I'm doing that very thing right now! Only thing I was wrong about is that Dylan Walsh is fine!

    General tip: if people in a movie shoot men in gorilla suits with a laser, and Tim Curry is there, it might be a bit self-aware...! ;)
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    Not controversial at all @Ludovico, I lost interest in modern films about 5 years ago. Fed up with superheroes, not interested in Hobbits, boy wizards or boy racers in souped up cars. What happened to the mid budget action movies, romantic comedies and thrillers.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    I evidently have to go into my next viewing of Congo expecting comedy!
    )

    I'm doing that very thing right now! Only thing I was wrong about is that Dylan Walsh is fine!

    General tip: if people in a movie shoot men in gorilla suits with a laser, and Tim Curry is there, it might be a bit self-aware...! ;)

    I take it you meant Walsh might have been taking it too seriously? He's certainly not playing it like Curry and the others. But him and Laura Linney give the film a little balance, I think.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    The head crush from The New Blood has to be one of the most brutal kills in the series. Great gooey practical effects from Buchler.
    I don't know if it tops the couple in the tent from the unrated cut of Jason Goes To Hell, but it's close.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    The head crush from The New Blood has to be one of the most brutal kills in the series. Great gooey practical effects from Buchler.
    I don't know if it tops the couple in the tent from the unrated cut of Jason Goes To Hell, but it's close.

    That was my favorite kill from the series as a kid; it's brutal but made even more painful considering he's right around the corner, just out of reach of safety, getting his skull caved in.
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    cooperman2 wrote: »
    Not controversial at all @Ludovico, I lost interest in modern films about 5 years ago. Fed up with superheroes, not interested in Hobbits, boy wizards or boy racers in souped up cars. What happened to the mid budget action movies, romantic comedies and thrillers.

    Right now I'm rewatching LA Confidential, which I haven't seen in... one year. I still find it as entertaining as I did 25 years ago.
    I do enjoy more recent movies as well, but they are generally relatively small scale things, historical or biographies, like The Founder, The Program, The Death of Stalin or I Tonya.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    cooperman2 wrote: »
    Not controversial at all @Ludovico, I lost interest in modern films about 5 years ago. Fed up with superheroes, not interested in Hobbits, boy wizards or boy racers in souped up cars. What happened to the mid budget action movies, romantic comedies and thrillers.

    Right now I'm rewatching LA Confidential, which I haven't seen in... one year. I still find it as entertaining as I did 25 years ago.
    I do enjoy more recent movies as well, but they are generally relatively small scale things, historical or biographies, like The Founder, The Program, The Death of Stalin or I Tonya.

    You sound like my dad, lol. That's a good thing. Controversial opinion of my own: I still enjoy Kevin Spacey as an actor, dispute his questionable problems recently. He never bores me, unlike certain actors today.
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    cooperman2 wrote: »
    Not controversial at all @Ludovico, I lost interest in modern films about 5 years ago. Fed up with superheroes, not interested in Hobbits, boy wizards or boy racers in souped up cars. What happened to the mid budget action movies, romantic comedies and thrillers.

    Right now I'm rewatching LA Confidential, which I haven't seen in... one year. I still find it as entertaining as I did 25 years ago.
    I do enjoy more recent movies as well, but they are generally relatively small scale things, historical or biographies, like The Founder, The Program, The Death of Stalin or I Tonya.

    You sound like my dad, lol. That's a good thing. Controversial opinion of my own: I still enjoy Kevin Spacey as an actor, dispute his questionable problems recently. He never bores me, unlike certain actors today.

    I still enjoy Spacey's early performances, although I'm not a fan of him as a person. I also think American Beauty is overrated and while there's nothing wrong with the movie per se or the performances in it, I don't understand how it got so hyped at the time.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    The head crush from The New Blood has to be one of the most brutal kills in the series. Great gooey practical effects from Buchler.
    I don't know if it tops the couple in the tent from the unrated cut of Jason Goes To Hell, but it's close.

    It'll always be the sleeping bag kill for me in terms of favourites, but those two are damn awesome gory kills. The liquid nitrogen head slam in Jason X is close behind, too.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I don’t think it’s controversial to still like Kevin Spacey’s acting performance. THE USUAL SUSPECTS is still a great flick, despite having alleged pedophiles as the star and director.
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
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    Ebert got Congo right. It wasn't meant to be a roller coaster ride like Jurassic Park, it's a lighthearted romp with a few intense scenes which admittedly don't quite gel with the rest of the movie. BTW in spite of the critical drubbing Congo got, it was a big hit when it came out, so I think general audiences actually tend to like it.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    slide_99 wrote: »
    Ebert got Congo right. It wasn't meant to be a roller coaster ride like Jurassic Park, it's a lighthearted romp with a few intense scenes which admittedly don't quite gel with the rest of the movie. BTW in spite of the critical drubbing Congo got, it was a big hit when it came out, so I think general audiences actually tend to like it.

    It does be on UK TV a fair bit, so people obviously enjoy watching it.
  • slide_99 wrote: »
    Ebert got Congo right. It wasn't meant to be a roller coaster ride like Jurassic Park, it's a lighthearted romp with a few intense scenes which admittedly don't quite gel with the rest of the movie. BTW in spite of the critical drubbing Congo got, it was a big hit when it came out, so I think general audiences actually tend to like it.

    To be fair to myself, I was just referencing Rotten Tomatoes' audience score and its IMDB rating when I said general audiences. But I clearly have to revisit Congo. As both a Crichton fan and a fan of adventure movies that don't take themselves too seriously, I'm sure I'll love it.
    The head crush from The New Blood has to be one of the most brutal kills in the series. Great gooey practical effects from Buchler.
    I don't know if it tops the couple in the tent from the unrated cut of Jason Goes To Hell, but it's close.

    It'll always be the sleeping bag kill for me in terms of favourites, but those two are damn awesome gory kills. The liquid nitrogen head slam in Jason X is close behind, too.

    Those are all among the best. I can only add
    the kid in a wheelchair who gets his head hacked open by a machete.
    Oh, and Jason X's virtual-reality sleeping bag tribute and Part III's handstand kill have got to be up there too.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    To be fair, there was a fair amount of suspense in the first Friday The 13th, but focus on the kills, more specifically the inventive deaths, is what slashers are about.

    And I disagree on Psycho and Halloween, they aren’t slashers. Only 5 people die in Halloween, one of them being off screen. The seasonal setting was an inspiration on Sean S. Cunningham, as was the campfire tale of Cropsy, but Friday The 13th owes more debt to Mario Bava's A Bay Of Blood.

    I will have to rewatch Psycho, but I don't remember that many people dying in it. I can think of two, off the top of my head: Marion Crane and Milton Arbogast.

    Indeed, Bay of Blood immediately comes to mind when watching the first few F13 films, even though none of the F13 directors come even close to the greatness of Bava. Great part for Claudine Auger in BoB as well of course.

    I love F13, but I wouldn't dare suggest that. Bavas films had style and flair. At least they did when he wasn't being screwed over a barrel by the studio.

    I agree Bava's films had style and flair, I love Bava. Maybe I did not explain myself clearly, I meant to say Bava's BoB is miles ahead of the F13 films that I think took inspiration from it, even though I can definitely appreciate some of the F13 films for what they are.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Jason X isn't without it's faults, but some of the kills were really well thought out.

    - Adrianne (drowned in liquid nitrogen (?), and head smashed against table)
    - Stoney (stabbed through the chest, then the machete is pulled the rest of the way through his back, blade first)
    - Azreal (back broken over Jasons knee, then tossed aside like a bag of rubbish)
    - Sven (neck broken slowly)
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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    UNPOPULAR OPINION:
    The Three Stooges Movie (2012) Is A MISUNDERSTOOD MASTERPIECE.
    Sure, The Plot Might Be A Little All Over The Place, And Some Jokes Are Just Plain Awful (I'm Seeing You, Baby Pee Fight), But Overall, You Can See They Made It With All The Best Intentions And It's Still An Enjoyable Movie If You've Seen The Original Shorts.
    RANK: 7/10
    A Little Bit Meh, But It's Still Good.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Jason X isn't without it's faults, but some of the kills were really well thought out.

    - Adrianne (drowned in liquid nitrogen (?), and head smashed against table)
    - Stoney (stabbed through the chest, then the machete is pulled the rest of the way through his back, blade first)
    - Azreal (back broken over Jasons knee, then tossed aside like a bag of rubbish)
    - Sven (neck broken slowly)

    And UberJason. You can't go wrong with UberJason. But hey, my favorite of the bunch is still FvJ. 😃
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Jason X isn't without it's faults, but some of the kills were really well thought out.

    - Adrianne (drowned in liquid nitrogen (?), and head smashed against table)
    - Stoney (stabbed through the chest, then the machete is pulled the rest of the way through his back, blade first)
    - Azreal (back broken over Jasons knee, then tossed aside like a bag of rubbish)
    - Sven (neck broken slowly)

    And UberJason. You can't go wrong with UberJason. But hey, my favorite of the bunch is still FvJ. 😃

    We'll change that, if it's the last post I make. ;)
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    To be fair, FvJ (which I have seen, now that I think about it) is a lot of fun. Between FvJ and Bride of Chucky, Ronny Yu did well in American horror films.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    To be fair, FvJ (which I have seen, now that I think about it) is a lot of fun. Between FvJ and Bride of Chucky, Ronny Yu did well in American horror films.

    Both films rank among the best in their respective series.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited May 2022 Posts: 13,978
    I don't hate FvJ, but I feel like it skews in favour of Freddy. It comes off more like a ANOES film. That and the situation with Kane Hodder, left a bad taste in the mouth. To verbally offer it to him (he accepts it, as if he would have turned it down), send him the script, and he still wants to do it, only then to turn around and hire someone else....? A really shitty move on the part of Ronny Yu, or New Line, neither side ever owned up, instead passed the buck.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    edited May 2022 Posts: 7,107
    Now we’re on horror, I love Night of the Living Dead, but I prefer both Dawn of the Dead as well as Day of the Dead.

    And I might even prefer the 1990 remake as well, with a much better-written Barbara and, as a film score enthusiast, an original score, and a very good one at that.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I adore Day Of The Dead, I must say. Very fond memories of watching it on BBC very late at night when I should have been in bed.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Night and Dawn are monumental achievements. Day is a collection of boring, poorly acted scenes of people shouting at each other, one louder than the other. When the good stuff happens, it's too little and far too late!

    @MajorDSmythe
    You have explained why I love FvJ so much. It is a Freddy film, indeed, with Jason co-starring in it. It also has some of the best acting teens, a great score and just a lot of fun. 😊
  • Agent_Zero_OneAgent_Zero_One Ireland
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    You're forgetting the best film of that series by far, Shaun of the Dead.
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
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    Love Dawn of course, but I do have a soft spot for Day of the Dead. As DarthDimi says, it is full of poor acting, but there's something about the atmosphere, and obviously the amazing gore at the end, that just does it for me. And Bub and Logan are both pretty great.

    I enjoyed Land of the Dead as well, but I think years of exaggerated praise for Romero's (very minor) social commentary went to his head, and that whole movie is just heavy-handed allegory. But hey, Dennis Hopper picks his nose and says "Zombies, man. Freak me out," so it's not bad at all. :))
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
    edited May 2022 Posts: 7,020
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    @MajorDSmythe
    You have explained why I love FvJ so much. It is a Freddy film, indeed, with Jason co-starring in it. It also has some of the best acting teens, a great score and just a lot of fun. 😊

    That must be why I enjoy it. I find Freddy much more compelling to watch than Jason. But in this film, even Jason becomes more interesting to me because of the contrast between him and Freddy. Silent and somber vs. clownish and talkative. The two characters work very well together.

    Also, going by Freddy Krueger alone, Robert Englund is one hell of an actor. (Actually, I also enjoyed his brief role as Robert Englund in New Nightmare. I should also watch Urban Legend, now that I think about it.)
  • I don't hate FvJ, but I feel like it skews in favour of Freddy. It comes off more like a ANOES film.

    I was going to say this exactly. FvJ is a fun flick, but I see it as a good Nightmare on Elm Street and not a very good Friday the 13th. It definitely leans more into Freddy’s style, and the whole business about Jason being paralyzed by the sight of some water leaking from the ceiling is truly perplexing given all the times we've seen the character straight up go into a lake. But despite the fact this is really Freddy's film, the cornfield rave is still a pretty epic Jason scene.
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Now we’re on horror, I love Night of the Living Dead, but I prefer both Dawn of the Dead as well as Day of the Dead.

    And I might even prefer the 1990 remake as well, with a much better-written Barbara and, as a film score enthusiast, an original score, and a very good one at that.

    You know, I go back and forth on all three of those as far as which is my fave. But for a while now it's been Night of the Living Dead. The 90s remake directed by Savini with Tony Todd and a much better Barbara (played by Laura Dern's stunt double in Jurassic Park) is definitely solid. Snyder's Dawn of the Dead is pretty good too for a more modern take.
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Night and Dawn are monumental achievements. Day is a collection of boring, poorly acted scenes of people shouting at each other, one louder than the other. When the good stuff happens, it's too little and far too late!

    The dialogue does the cast no favors, and they're very much divided into obvious good guys and bad guys. But the music is chilling, and the zombie effects are leagues ahead of Night and Dawn. I'd say Day is the one where Romero got the horror aspect the most right.
    mattjoes wrote: »
    I should also watch Urban Legend, now that I think about it.)

    Another fun one with a very 90s cast!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Urban Legend and I Know What You Did Last Summer are underrated follow-ups to Scream. They ooze '90s charm and stay pretty close to the "slasher rules".
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Now we’re on horror, I love Night of the Living Dead, but I prefer both Dawn of the Dead as well as Day of the Dead.

    And I might even prefer the 1990 remake as well, with a much better-written Barbara and, as a film score enthusiast, an original score, and a very good one at that.

    You know, I go back and forth on all three of those as far as which is my fave. But for a while now it's been Night of the Living Dead. The 90s remake directed by Savini with Tony Todd and a much better Barbara (played by Laura Dern's stunt double in Jurassic Park) is definitely solid. Snyder's Dawn of the Dead is pretty good too for a more modern take.

    I have never seen the Snyder remake, it’s on my watchlist though. I hear there’s also one for Day, but that one doesn’t get great reviews.

    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Urban Legend and I Know What You Did Last Summer are underrated follow-ups to Scream. They ooze '90s charm and stay pretty close to the "slasher rules".

    I quite like Last Summer too, even though it’s not a masterpiece, but the atmosphere is great.
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