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  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    What im frustrated is that how EON always took their slow ass time to make Bond movies in the Craig era. There should of been a 3rd Craig film in 2010. I dont believe the MGM bankruptcy accord until late 2010 so they could of got a film out then. Plus Skyfall in 2012. The 3 year gap between SF & SP is fair cause they wanted Mendes back. But what was the excuse to wait to make another one after SP? There should of been a Bond film in 2017 or 2018. Cubby would have never let EON only have 4 Bond movies in 14 years.

    I remember speaking with one of the SP crew after the films release, and they said a number of key creatives would be taking an extended personal leave to recover from illnesses, family issues, etc. then work would start on B25.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,413
    It’s funny how people are now starting to sulkily say “I’m losing interest in this movie” and yet it’s the only movie delay which has made the headlines here.
    Probably because it's one of the films that's been delayed the most (even before the pandemic of course) and because it's a Bond film the delays are therefore deemed more newsworthy by the media and the general public are therefore made far more aware of delays to that film than any other (particularly here in Britain of course). That's just my view of of it, of course.

    Because it's a Bond film yes, and people are interested in those.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,807
    I recall their follow-up to Casino Royale had a planned release of May 2008. But real world events took over.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,413
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    What im frustrated is that how EON always took their slow ass time to make Bond movies in the Craig era. There should of been a 3rd Craig film in 2010. I dont believe the MGM bankruptcy accord until late 2010 so they could of got a film out then. Plus Skyfall in 2012. The 3 year gap between SF & SP is fair cause they wanted Mendes back. But what was the excuse to wait to make another one after SP? There should of been a Bond film in 2017 or 2018. Cubby would have never let EON only have 4 Bond movies in 14 years.

    I remember speaking with one of the SP crew after the films release, and they said a number of key creatives would be taking an extended personal leave to recover from illnesses, family issues, etc. then work would start on B25.

    Interesting, not heard that before. Seems reasonable.
  • Posts: 12,526
    The delay is hardly a surprise, If MGM is bought out any time soon? I wonder if the release strategy will alter?
  • Mr_Beach wrote: »
    Mr_Beach wrote: »
    The jab roll out means we are stuck with this for at least a year, as everyone vaccinated needs 2 jabs, and in the UK there is a 12 weeks wait between the first and second jab.

    The UK will vaccinate everyone by September the latest. Which means life in the UK will be completely back to normal not a year from now, not by the end of the year, but by this September. And life will be mostly back to normal in the UK much sooner than that, because once the most vulnerable 25% will have been vaccinated, covid deaths will be down by 90% or more.

    You keep repeating this blindly optimistic theory which almost no one else here agrees with. Even if all the vaccines have been rolled out by September (a big IF), then life won't automatically switch straight back to normal, 100% - no more social distancing, all face masks gone, all bars and restaurants fully back open, all cinemas fully back open, as though the whole thing was a bad dream and never happened. I know you would like that to happen (we all would), but you have to face reality too and stop living in a dream world.

    By September herd immunity in the UK will have been achieved. Social distancing, face mask wearing, cinema closures, resaurant closures will all end long before that. Once half of the population will have been vaccinated (looong before September), covid deaths will be down to incredibly low numbers. And the latest news is that Fauci is now saying that herd immunity can be achieved by fall in the US too.

    Seriously, why do you keep insisting that life won't be back to normal once herd immunity has been achieved? Literally not a single scientist agrees with what you are saying.
    Matt007 wrote: »
    You either aren’t reading, aren’t listening, or don’t understand the situation.
    The UK and the US are now both saying herd immunity will be achieved by fall. The most vulnerable 25% account for over 90% of covid deaths. The most vulnerable will have been vaccinated looong before September. Which means that covid deaths will be permanently down to tiny numbers loong before September. Which means cinemas will reopen,restaurants will reopen, people will need to wears masks less and less and life will be back to normal before September. It's not rocket science.

    Israel is leading the way. Life in Israel will be completely back to normal before the end of spring.

    On
    Jan1985 wrote: »
    Mr_Beach wrote: »
    This makes a lot of sense. Why release it in April when they can delay it half a year and release it when life is back to normal? This feels like the final delay.

    The problem is: there is no indication, that life will be back to normal in October.
    The release of a movie in October 2021 will be the same as a release in August 2020, when Tenet came out.

    So I'm 100% sure, that the movie will be postponed again, unless a miracle happens and there will be no more social distancing and masks in October. But I doubt it.

    So a Covid-Release without red carpet events, with reduced seating etc. - they could have done that last summer or this spring. They don't need October for that.
    BUT all these side events and meeting fans from all around the world in London etc. - that's what I wish to experience again with the premiere of NTTD. So I'm willing to wait until that is possible again.

    If all goes to plan just about everyone will have immunity to Covid 19 in the UK by then
  • Posts: 1,970
    Just realized every delay this movie has had the producers have apologized for it. They didn't this time LOL
  • fjdinardo wrote: »
    Just realized every delay this movie has had the producers have apologized for it. They didn't this time LOL

    Probably because it was pretty much a given it was going to delay.
  • Posts: 631
    I flip between optimism and pessimism but am feeling vaguely optimistic-ish at the mo

    A possible future will be

    - NTTD released in cinemas 2022
    - It doesn’t bomb but it’s not a smash either, because a lot of people across the world are still faced with closed cinemas, or they do not feel safe going to the cinema when it is open
    - B26 will be made quickly and on a much smaller budget, a bit like the way they raced to bring out TMWTGG, because MGM/Eon will need positive cash flow
    - Long term future of the franchise depends on how well or how badly B26 does, not on NTTD

    They’ve been playing the trailers so often on TV (most recently on BBC News when the update about the most recent delay dropped) that I worry a lot of general audience people will start to imagine they’ve already seen it.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 2021 Posts: 16,413
    I flip between optimism and pessimism but am feeling vaguely optimistic-ish at the mo

    A possible future will be

    - NTTD released in cinemas 2022
    - It doesn’t bomb but it’s not a smash either, because a lot of people across the world are still faced with closed cinemas, or they do not feel safe going to the cinema when it is open
    - B26 will be made quickly and on a much smaller budget, a bit like the way they raced to bring out TMWTGG, because MGM/Eon will need positive cash flow
    - Long term future of the franchise depends on how well or how badly B26 does, not on NTTD

    Sounds believable to me.

    If Fallout could be made for $70million less than Spectre was I do sort of wonder if a budget drop should be a problem.
    They’ve been playing the trailers so often on TV (most recently on BBC News when the update about the most recent delay dropped) that I worry a lot of general audience people will start to imagine they’ve already seen it.

    It's a good point. That first trailer was such a long time ago it probably feels like an old Bond film to people now. Not to mention the theme song was a hit nearly a year ago- it's a golden oldie! :)
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited January 2021 Posts: 8,399
    People need to drop the idea that Bond 26 will somehow rush quickly into production after this. In my opinion, we are in for another long wait for Bond 26, as there is a lot that needs to be sorted out behind the scenes before they can even shoot ideas out there. MGM is in financial turmoil again, and this time Bond won't be there to save it, unless a miracle happens. Then there is the situation at EON with MGW likely stepping down. Then the casting of Bond takes another year out, as that is a massive task in itself, they will have to audition 1000's upon 1000's of actors etc. The only way B26 gets going quickly is if Daniel Craig returns, energised and ready to go, and that'll be a first. But I think he deliberately set out make this his last film, and perhaps the story reflects that, so it's unlikely he would return. With all that said, I think it's highly doubtful we see another Bond film during Bidens first term.
  • Posts: 1,970
    Bond 26 we won't see until 2025 the earliest. Probably later than that. I will not be surprised if EON sold the franchise.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,589
    mtm wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    What im frustrated is that how EON always took their slow ass time to make Bond movies in the Craig era. There should of been a 3rd Craig film in 2010. I dont believe the MGM bankruptcy accord until late 2010 so they could of got a film out then. Plus Skyfall in 2012. The 3 year gap between SF & SP is fair cause they wanted Mendes back. But what was the excuse to wait to make another one after SP? There should of been a Bond film in 2017 or 2018. Cubby would have never let EON only have 4 Bond movies in 14 years.

    I remember speaking with one of the SP crew after the films release, and they said a number of key creatives would be taking an extended personal leave to recover from illnesses, family issues, etc. then work would start on B25.

    Interesting, not heard that before. Seems reasonable.

    That, plus waiting on a decision by Craig to come back. I think we would have had a film sooner if that in sometime in 2017, he made a decision one way or another. But only one with Craig.
  • edited January 2021 Posts: 832
    NTTD will not be delayed again. Herd immunity will be achieved in time for the release date and I imagine they will have chosen it with an idea of what the market will be by then and won't want to delay again.
  • I just don't see people rushing back to theatres for any film, this year.
  • Posts: 3,327
    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    NTTD will not be delayed again. Herd immunity will be achieved in time for the release date and I imagine they will have chosen it with an idea of what the market will be by then and won't want to delay again.

    No one knows where we will be in October, so you cannot predict this any more than I can, nor EON, or the scientists, or the politicians either. The virus is unpredictable, and developing new strains all the time.

    The October date is just another placeholder for EON, the same as it was for the last few dates. We will know nearer the time whether this new date will get pushed back again. The sensible money is probably on April 2022 (for now).
  • edited January 2021 Posts: 832
    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    NTTD will not be delayed again. Herd immunity will be achieved in time for the release date and I imagine they will have chosen it with an idea of what the market will be by then and won't want to delay again.

    No one knows where we will be in October, so you cannot predict this any more than I can, nor EON, or the scientists, or the politicians either. The virus is unpredictable, and developing new strains all the time.

    The October date is just another placeholder for EON, the same as it was for the last few dates. We will know nearer the time whether this new date will get pushed back again. The sensible money is probably on April 2022 (for now).

    I don't purport to know how the virus will develop this year/ how effective vaccines will be against new strains. I simply stated my expectation that things will go well and nttd will stick with the original release date in response to those who are expecting it to be delayed again. If it's a matter of public willingness to attend theaters then I don't see them delaying it again on that basis.
  • Posts: 3,327
    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    NTTD will not be delayed again. Herd immunity will be achieved in time for the release date and I imagine they will have chosen it with an idea of what the market will be by then and won't want to delay again.

    No one knows where we will be in October, so you cannot predict this any more than I can, nor EON, or the scientists, or the politicians either. The virus is unpredictable, and developing new strains all the time.

    The October date is just another placeholder for EON, the same as it was for the last few dates. We will know nearer the time whether this new date will get pushed back again. The sensible money is probably on April 2022 (for now).

    I don't purport to know how the virus will develop this year/ how effective vaccines will be against new strains. I simply stated my expectation that things will go well and nttd will stick with the original release date in response to those who are expecting it to be delayed again. If it's a matter of public willingness to attend theaters then I don't see them delaying it again on that basis.

    One thing 2020 has taught us, things don't go well anymore. From the start, this has put all governments on the back foot, and any plans that have been laid out have fallen by the wayside with every passing month since last March.

    It's fair to say now governments are muddling through this as best they can, but any clear milestone predictions are being carefully addressed now, or being withdrawn completely. I doubt anyone will bat an eyelid if a new strain suddenly develops in the next couple of months that will beat the vaccine, and so the scientist have to go back to the drawing board again.

    That seems far more likely, rather than the vaccine roll out going 100% perfect across all countries, with no glitches or hiccups whatsoever, and then the virus obediently decides to suddenly disappear overnight, and all cinemas open worldwide to packed audiences in October, as though the whole thing was just a bad dream.
  • edited January 2021 Posts: 832
    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    NTTD will not be delayed again. Herd immunity will be achieved in time for the release date and I imagine they will have chosen it with an idea of what the market will be by then and won't want to delay again.

    No one knows where we will be in October, so you cannot predict this any more than I can, nor EON, or the scientists, or the politicians either. The virus is unpredictable, and developing new strains all the time.

    The October date is just another placeholder for EON, the same as it was for the last few dates. We will know nearer the time whether this new date will get pushed back again. The sensible money is probably on April 2022 (for now).

    I don't purport to know how the virus will develop this year/ how effective vaccines will be against new strains. I simply stated my expectation that things will go well and nttd will stick with the original release date in response to those who are expecting it to be delayed again. If it's a matter of public willingness to attend theaters then I don't see them delaying it again on that basis.

    One thing 2020 has taught us, things don't go well anymore. From the start, this has put all governments on the back foot, and any plans that have been laid out have fallen by the wayside with every passing month since last March.

    It's fair to say now governments are muddling through this as best they can, but any clear milestone predictions are being carefully addressed now, or being withdrawn completely. I doubt anyone will bat an eyelid if a new strain suddenly develops in the next couple of months that will beat the vaccine, and so the scientist have to go back to the drawing board again.

    That seems far more likely, rather than the vaccine roll out going 100% perfect across all countries, with no glitches or hiccups whatsoever, and then the virus obediently decides to suddenly disappear overnight, and all cinemas open worldwide to packed audiences in October, as though the whole thing was just a bad dream.

    I guess I should have been clearer that my *expectation* is that things go well and a new strain doesn’t beat the vaccine and that the skepticism about the new release date seems premature to me. I think a general expectation that “things go badly” is not a good way of looking at things.
  • Posts: 1,630
    We certainly seem to be entering an age of Home Entertainment, and this pandemic is not the exclusive cause for it by any means. Home shopping already has become popular, and now moreso. Younger people play videogames at home on everything ranging from phone to big-screen. They gather for parties of it, and already seemed less inclined to go to theaters than other folks. Pirated copies abounded pre-pandemic, please recall, for those disinclined to wait for home release. Some of us prefer Big Screen, in the dark, with Big Sound and no distractions. Others already are used to Big Screen TVs, can stop, play video games and return to the film, and eat and drink as they please throughout, or play on their phone during the film. And this was before any pandemic raised concerns for enclosed spaces such as theaters. Also before the pandemic: a tendency for studios to prefer funding only big, spectacular "sure (financial) things, leading to the public debates including comments by such persons as Martin Scorcese criticizing super-hero movies. Well, chances are those films will recede in popularity, just as other genres come and go in peak popularity. At any rate -- their challenge is to make the big bucks on home releases. The future might hold: fewer theaters, showing mostly The Big Boffo Movies, shortly before or simultaneously with Home releases.
    I get the feeling that NTTD will be delayed again, to Spring 2022, but if things are not so great, theater-wise, at that time, then it may well go to Theater-and-Close-in-time-Home-Release. After all -if theater attendance is not comfortable for movie-goers by Spring 2022, it might just be too unpredictable thereafter. And what about LIVE theater !??! Perhaps someone will develop something akin to a diving bell helmet to wear, yet breathe comfortably, not fog up, and hear things right (ear buds ?).
  • Posts: 3,327
    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    NTTD will not be delayed again. Herd immunity will be achieved in time for the release date and I imagine they will have chosen it with an idea of what the market will be by then and won't want to delay again.

    No one knows where we will be in October, so you cannot predict this any more than I can, nor EON, or the scientists, or the politicians either. The virus is unpredictable, and developing new strains all the time.

    The October date is just another placeholder for EON, the same as it was for the last few dates. We will know nearer the time whether this new date will get pushed back again. The sensible money is probably on April 2022 (for now).

    I don't purport to know how the virus will develop this year/ how effective vaccines will be against new strains. I simply stated my expectation that things will go well and nttd will stick with the original release date in response to those who are expecting it to be delayed again. If it's a matter of public willingness to attend theaters then I don't see them delaying it again on that basis.

    One thing 2020 has taught us, things don't go well anymore. From the start, this has put all governments on the back foot, and any plans that have been laid out have fallen by the wayside with every passing month since last March.

    It's fair to say now governments are muddling through this as best they can, but any clear milestone predictions are being carefully addressed now, or being withdrawn completely. I doubt anyone will bat an eyelid if a new strain suddenly develops in the next couple of months that will beat the vaccine, and so the scientist have to go back to the drawing board again.

    That seems far more likely, rather than the vaccine roll out going 100% perfect across all countries, with no glitches or hiccups whatsoever, and then the virus obediently decides to suddenly disappear overnight, and all cinemas open worldwide to packed audiences in October, as though the whole thing was just a bad dream.

    I guess I should have been clearer that my *expectation* is that things go well and a new strain doesn’t beat the vaccine and that the skepticism about the new release date seems premature to me. I think a general expectation that “things go badly” is not a good way of looking at things.

    I agree with you, but a new reality has now set in for the time being. Last year has taught us to prepare for the worst, and there are no signs right now that this is going to shift any time soon.

    The UK government today have made noises about expecting this lockdown to last until May. That is definitely a tonal shift in change from the usual optimistic sound bites that Downing Street have tried to do over the past year. It was only a week ago when they were talking of ending this lockdown by Easter, and the goal posts are on the move already.

    Thinking that everything will go 100% swimmingly perfect is not a good place to be in 2021. You are setting yourself up for more disappointment.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,399
    Agree with everything you are saying @jetsetwilly

    October 8th seems like a date picked out of a hat. It also seems like things are getting worse right now, not better. They just announced the other day that the new strain could be more deadly than previously expect, and partially resistant to the vaccine. Also flood affected areas have slowed the rollout of the vaccine somewhat. It's amazing how much can go wrong with these Government plans, by unexpected causes. I expect once this lockdown ends people will be so over-excited to get back to normal, that we could see things getting worse again by Autumn.

    I now can't see how they could be thinking about releasing this film in October, it just seems too soon. Even if cinemas are at full capacity (highly, highly doubtful), I doubt people will be barging past each other to fill the seats (Bond fans not withstanding). Because of this, I can see 2022 being the year we get to see Bond 25.
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    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being positive, or at least not expecting (but of course being prepared for) the worst.I say this despite the gruesome year that 2020 was. The pendulum has to swing back at some point.
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    Agree with everything you are saying @jetsetwilly

    October 8th seems like a date picked out of a hat. It also seems like things are getting worse right now, not better. They just announced the other day that the new strain could be more deadly than previously expect, and partially resistant to the vaccine. Also flood affected areas have slowed the rollout of the vaccine somewhat. It's amazing how much can go wrong with these Government plans, by unexpected causes. I expect once this lockdown ends people will be so over-excited to get back to normal, that we could see things getting worse again by Autumn.

    I now can't see how they could be thinking about releasing this film in October, it just seems too soon. Even if cinemas are at full capacity (highly, highly doubtful), I doubt people will be barging past each other to fill the seats (Bond fans not withstanding). Because of this, I can see 2022 being the year we get to see Bond 25.

    Yes, I think there are more hurdles yet to come sadly this year. We are nowhere near out of the woods yet, and may not be for a while, maybe even a few years - forget the crazy talk of just a few months and we are completely out of this, Scott Free!

    2022 is more likely right now for NTTD release date. I just hope this time next year we aren't talking about yet another delay for its release. If it drags on any further than 2022, I think EON will be forced into a position to take it straight to streaming platforms, like all other Hollywood blockbusters will be too.
  • Posts: 3,327
    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being positive, or at least not expecting (but of course being prepared for) the worst.I say this despite the gruesome year that 2020 was. The pendulum has to swing back at some point.

    We can all live in hope.

    This is our generations equivalent to what our grandparents had to endure in WW2. For most of us, we have had it good for nearly 80 years. At least we are not getting shot at and bombed, and instead expected to just sit at home and watch telly. If the worst thing that can happen to us is Bond gets pushed back again, in the grand scheme of things worse things could happen at sea.

    A little bit of perspective is helpful every now and then. ;)
  • Posts: 625
    I just don't see people rushing back to theatres for any film, this year.

    Why not?
    Even now it's safer, than going to work, going to school, going to the supermarket, going to a restaurant etc.

    With lots of people vaccinated they can even get rid of the social distancing.
  • Posts: 3,327
    Jan1985 wrote: »
    I just don't see people rushing back to theatres for any film, this year.

    Why not?
    Even now it's safer, than going to work, going to school, going to the supermarket, going to a restaurant etc.

    With lots of people vaccinated they can even get rid of the social distancing.

    I wouldn't go Banco on expecting everyone to be vaccinated this year successfully, all social distancing coming to an end, and all cinema chains worldwide opening the welcome floodgates in a few months time to packed houses everywhere.

    If you think all life as we knew it in 2019 will return 100% back to normal in a few months time, great for you!
  • Posts: 832
    Jan1985 wrote: »
    I just don't see people rushing back to theatres for any film, this year.

    Why not?
    Even now it's safer, than going to work, going to school, going to the supermarket, going to a restaurant etc.

    With lots of people vaccinated they can even get rid of the social distancing.

    I wouldn't go Banco on expecting everyone to be vaccinated this year successfully, all social distancing coming to an end, and all cinema chains worldwide opening the welcome floodgates in a few months time to packed houses everywhere.

    If you think all life as we knew it in 2019 will return 100% back to normal in a few months time, great for you!

    I haven't seen anyone say this
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited January 2021 Posts: 24,183
    I don't think people are naive enough to think that we will be able to "return to normal". In fact, I don't think we should want to either. There are things I want to return to for sure, but some things needn't change back to how they were. I don't mind us losing that ridiculous hand-shake or hug culture. Likewise, I'm perfectly content with online meetings as opposed to the real thing. More hand hygiene will, perhaps, keep the flu and nasty colds under control and yes, a mouth mask now and then, like on a crowded train... why not? Keeping distance from other people than your closest relatives: yes, please! (I'm an introvert; social distancing is heaven for me. :D )

    But if and when NTTD is finally released, and the pandemic is under control, I'll be in the theatre if you need me. ;-)
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