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No one would care.
It's why I expressed interest in seeing the train scene with Vesper or a scene with Felix in Casino Royale isolated within a marketing campaign in the context of #MeToo and #BLM, to see how people would react.
My theory is that it's not the filmmakers attempting to be woke, it's the context of "woke" surrounding new and interesting ideas that then clouds peoples judgement. In my opinion.
I'm not sure: the original script for Bond 15 had a 007 before Bond, as did the Forever And A Day book and I've never seen anyone react angrily to those ideas before. Plus Bond has had his licence to kill (and hence 007 number) taken away a couple of times in the films as well: again, I've not seen anyone react angrily to those things.
I must admit, if they changed it to 'James Bond 007 Will Return' I wouldn't mind, because there's something nicely cheesy about that :)
I agree 100%
Yes, with a bit of healthy flirtation.
As shallow as it sounds, I think you are probably on to something. It makes me wonder what might have happened had the more traditionally beautiful Lupita Nyong'o been cast as originally intended, before the delays made her unavailable.
Shallow? Not at all; it’s just human nature. Who would a majority of women find more attractive, Brad Pitt or someone like Ron Perlman or a less obvious Michael Shannon.
I suppose instead of shallow I really meant "cruel," because it seems cruel that Lynch would be judged more harshly than an actress who might be considered "prettier."
She's quite sultry as she struts by in the night club scene, and a sense of good humoured cockiness when she's in the Aston, pulling the sunglasses down and raising eyebrows at Bond.
Am I the only one, lol?!?!
I don’t think Lynch’s character is meant to be ogled at like a traditional Bond babe. She was cast to play convincing 00 agent badass, not someone that’s expected to win a wet t-shirt contest.
Or is EVERY female in Bond supposed to look like a supermodel unless they’re Bunt or Klebb? I see a lot of fans have trouble grasping that, which is why I’ve seen suggestions like how Lynch should have been a henchwoman and that Ana de Armas should have been the new 007. Because Ana has more supermodel looks that makes her more “acceptable” in fans’ eyes.
I think she seems very cool.
I basically agree with what you’re saying, although the wet tee shirt comments is a bit ludicrous. No, not every Bond girl/woman needs to look like a supermodel, but like spectacular locations, impressive stunts, a great score and more, beautiful women are part of the appeal; obviously all of these are subjective.
I get that vibe too from the trailer's Jamaica scenes- a sultry energy.
It's looking like a fun group of female characters this time around, all for the better.
I'm not too warm on Lynch's appearance, like I don't really care for it, but her voice is downright grating. Especially in the trailer, where she sounds like she's trying too hard to make it sound tough.
There's also the whole thing with de Armas' star power exploding since she finished filming NTTD and Lynch kind of stalling a tiny bit in the intervening time. To a degree, because NTTD was to be her star turn.
As was pointed out on the last James Bond & Friends Podcast: Imdb sorts their cast list by their own "starmeter" algorithm (and I know that isn't exact science). Ana de Armas is first for NTTD. Lynch is 11th. Many people will be really confused when Lashana Lynch is in 2/3rds of the film and de Armas is in it for 4 minutes. She is much more famous at the moment.
If you want more of her, just watch more movies with her or follow her Instagram.
On that basis I think NTTD is quite interesting because they cast Rami Malek right when he was at his starriest (he'd just won the Oscar) and if it had come out on time they would have looked right on the money, whereas now it feels like he's that guy we all heard about a couple of years ago :D
I completely agree with everything you said here. However, the point I was responding to, which was originally made by @GadgetMan , is that the character of Nomi being 007 might have been more amenable to "the masses" - or even to more Bond fans in general - if she was more traditionally beautiful. This may or may not be the case, but I thought it was an interesting point worth considering.
Of course, all of this is subjective.
They want us to step in Bond's shoes and see a young, cocky, rookie agent who has taken something familiar to us (007) dismiss her ability and grow to like/trust her and I think see ourselves in her, finally root for her.
Hopefully the story and character are well written so we can go on this journey throughout the film
Absolutely...
Yeah, you're right, it's not like 007 is everything to the franchise.
It's not like the movie is translated as 007: _____ or 007 vs ____ in many countries in the world.
It's not like the official logo (what the bat is for Batman) for James Bond is actually the 007 with a gunbarrel
It's not like Q, M, or many other characters in the movie refer to him as 007.
I mean..you know what, it doesn't matter what me or you think.
Let's see if they said something about this on their facebook page.
What was it?
Oh yeah facebook dot com slash JamesBond007 ......fuck, ok, maybe they do have 007, but they also have James Bond!!!!
See, 007 is not THE BRAND for this entire franchise it's 007 + James Bond!
So..umm...
Yeah, let's see if they did something on twitter about this.
What's their twitter? @Jame...oh no, it isn't it's....... @007
hmmm....so their entire brand on twitter is 007?
...oh well, who cares, Twitter is overrated anyways.
Let's go to the official website and see if they have something to say.
Their website being.... 007.com?
And they have a 007 shop on it? Not a "James Bond Shop" but "007 shop"
Hmm...
It's almost as if 007 IS the brand for this massive franchise and casting a new 007 is just like Batman changing his name to FlyingDarkCreatureMan cause..."hey, it's all about Bruce Wayne, the name "Batman" is not important, it's just a code name"