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  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    Posts: 5,970
    Is it too soon to say that this film is gonna be great. Probably - oh well :D
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,641
    TheBondFan wrote: »
    It appears the marketing is ramping up. Many more details than I expected are shared in this article: https://www.gamesradar.com/no-time-to-die-daniel-craig-interview-james-bond-25/

    Although some of this feels like deja vu, so perhaps it isn't a new interview?

    Really great read thanks for sharing mate.
    Daniel has been really candid with his interviews this time round, he sounds like he's more certain about leaving the role and more pleased with the film

    Also whenever I read or see interviews with Fukunaga, I really feel we're in safe hands. I'm much more excited about his Bond 25, than I ever was about Boyle's. I wish they would have approached Cary originally
    It's interesting that he and Barbara spoke about potential new Bond's
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
    Posts: 2,537
    playboy_1180-8.jpg

    Did anyone happen to pick up a copy of this? Is there any new content?
  • MakeItWorkforYouMakeItWorkforYou originating out of Belarus.
    edited July 2021 Posts: 20
    Plyboy eh? I don't read such things. I prefer a real woman. but speaking of a real woman- how much do you think we'll learn about Swann in NTTD? I'd like to learn about her entire family, her extended family. We have enough runtime, so let's focus on Maddie make her a fleshed out character. Do you think she's like us, with a familey.
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
    Posts: 3,022
    MakeItWorkforYou wrote: »
    Plyboy eh? I don't read such things. I prefer a real woman. but speaking of a real woman- how much do you think we'll learn about Swann in NTTD? I'd like to learn about her entire family, her extended family. We have enough runtime, so let's focus on Maddie make her a fleshed out character. Do you think she's like us, with a familey.

    The whole story in NTTD is basically built around events in Swann's childhood and her lifelong connection to the main villain Safin, whatever that connection is.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,583
    TheBondFan wrote: »
    It appears the marketing is ramping up. Many more details than I expected are shared in this article: https://www.gamesradar.com/no-time-to-die-daniel-craig-interview-james-bond-25/

    Although some of this feels like deja vu, so perhaps it isn't a new interview?

    There are some things in here I had not seen before (or have forgotten). But then there's this: "One of the key ways everyone recognises Bond has stagnated is it’s often regressive portrayal of women – a reflection of the character’s misogyny."

    As many know, I get tired of this worn-out and exaggerated interpretation of the character's relationship with women. 8-|
  • MakeItWorkforYouMakeItWorkforYou originating out of Belarus.
    Posts: 20
    We need to be fighting back against this ignorance.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    Posts: 5,970
    I understand the frustration but its the product of the iconography of the franchise, which the franchise itself hasn't helped at certain points in its history, and I personally think that having comments and discussions like these, along with more conscious efforts on the part of the filmmakers and actors involved, will help try and change the conversation going forward - even if there are those of you that don't agree that franchise is that bad in terms of its representation.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited July 2021 Posts: 4,583
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I understand the frustration but its the product of the iconography of the franchise, which the franchise itself hasn't helped at certain points in its history, and I personally think that having comments and discussions like these, along with more conscious efforts on the part of the filmmakers and actors involved, will help try and change the conversation going forward - even if there are those of you that don't agree that franchise is that bad in terms of its representation.

    I'm all for looking at (and being critical) of the franchise's treatment of women; too often, though, that gets confused with the character's treatment of women. Yes, there is the Patricia Fearing moment; there is the slap on the rear in GF; I would even say that Bond's slap of Tatiana took things a bit too far. What casual writers forget are the times in which Bond showed extreme remorse and regret when a completely innocent woman is harmed or put in harm's way. Tilly Masterson is a perfect example. Or when Bond shows great concern when Plenty is thrown out a hotel room window. Or when Bond is visibly shaken by the death of Solange and of Fields. Or when he risks his own life to save Honey Ryder or Anya Amasova. The "James Bond is a misogynist" claim is too quickly thrown about, and the truth is more complicated than that.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited July 2021 Posts: 5,970
    TripAces wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I understand the frustration but its the product of the iconography of the franchise, which the franchise itself hasn't helped at certain points in its history, and I personally think that having comments and discussions like these, along with more conscious efforts on the part of the filmmakers and actors involved, will help try and change the conversation going forward - even if there are those of you that don't agree that franchise is that bad in terms of its representation.
    I'm all for looking at (and being critical) of the franchise's treatment of women; too often, though, that gets confused with the character's treatment of women. Yes, there is the Patricia Fearing moment; there is the slap on the rear in GF; I would even say that Bond's slap of Tatiana took things a bit too far. What casual writers forget are the times in which Bond showed extreme remorse and regret when a completely innocent woman is harmed or put in harm's way. Tilly Masterson is a perfect example. Or when Bond shows great concern when Plenty is thrown out a hotel room window. Or when Bond is visibly shaken by the death of Solange and of Fields. Or when he risks his own life to save Honey Ryder or Anya Amasova. The "James Bond is a misogynist" claim is too quickly thrown about, and the truth is more complicated than that.
    That's true, and I'd say that comes from the blurred lines between Bond being a "womanizer" (as Vesper puts it herself "you think of women as disposable pleasures, rather than meaningful pursuits".) and the franchise's treatment, which is a given seeing as he is the face of the franchise that's doing so.

    I will also say I think Skyfall really messed in terms of Severine. It kinda brought back into play the more bad taste trap the franchise sometimes falls into, with the shower scene and Bond's disregarding comment after her death, which we could understand as a play on his part to not seem bothered to Silva, but it still came across bad in general and could've been handled to better. I just thought I'd mention it as it's a more recent example that came up a lot around the film's release.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,785
    I'm recalling this dialogue.
    M: [as Solange's dead body is carried away] I would ask you if you could remain emotionally detached, but that's not your problem, is it, Bond?

    James Bond: No.
    And that's exactly his problem as agent and assassin.

    Regarding Bond as womanizer, I note he regularly meets maneaters. And in book and film, he pretty much (though fleetingly) falls for each Bond Girl he encounters.

    Sévérine really strikes a chord, quite a sacrificial lamb among many in Bond films.

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  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,568
    TheBondFan wrote: »
    It appears the marketing is ramping up. Many more details than I expected are shared in this article: https://www.gamesradar.com/no-time-to-die-daniel-craig-interview-james-bond-25/

    Although some of this feels like deja vu, so perhaps it isn't a new interview?
    Excellent info. Thanks for that.
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    playboy_1180-8.jpg

    Did anyone happen to pick up a copy of this? Is there any new content?
    It's all in German, so if someone here can guarantee they will translate it into English, then I'll take some photos of the pages and upload them here.
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
    edited July 2021 Posts: 3,022
    QBranch wrote: »
    TheBondFan wrote: »
    It appears the marketing is ramping up. Many more details than I expected are shared in this article: https://www.gamesradar.com/no-time-to-die-daniel-craig-interview-james-bond-25/

    Although some of this feels like deja vu, so perhaps it isn't a new interview?
    Excellent info. Thanks for that.
    Red_Snow wrote: »
    playboy_1180-8.jpg

    Did anyone happen to pick up a copy of this? Is there any new content?
    It's all in German, so if someone here can guarantee they will translate it into English, then I'll take some photos of the pages and upload them here.

    @QBranch Any new stills in the article?
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,568
    No stills that we haven't seen before.

    Just to be clear, this magazine come out in early 2020.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,641
    If NTTD is success with fans and at the box office, I wonder if Barbara will go back to Fukunaga?
    Especially given that they spoke about would could be the next James Bond
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    Posts: 5,970
    I would really like if he did. Just imagining what he could do with a clean slate gets me excited, although based on how he works, I don’t know if he would.
  • fjdinardofjdinardo
    Posts: 1,970
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Damn the movie is 2 hours 43 min? I might have to bring an empty Gatorade bottle in the theater with me lol

    Haha definitely
    I hope it's paced well, I think Spectre could have benefited from a slight trim. I mean this film is 15 minutes longer, hopefully all the characters have time to be fleshed out and there is more suspense leading to the action

    Oh I've smoked weed in theaters before. Peeing in a gatorade bottle would be nothing lol. Oh spectre defiantly could of been trimmed. I still dont get why EON never capitalized on a 2 part Bond film for Craigs last movie
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,619
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I would really like if he did. Just imagining what he could do with a clean slate gets me excited, although based on how he works, I don’t know if he would.

    They gave Martin Campbell a regular mission, then let him direct a complete reboot. History can repeat itself.
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Damn the movie is 2 hours 43 min? I might have to bring an empty Gatorade bottle in the theater with me lol

    Haha definitely
    I hope it's paced well, I think Spectre could have benefited from a slight trim. I mean this film is 15 minutes longer, hopefully all the characters have time to be fleshed out and there is more suspense leading to the action

    Oh I've smoked weed in theaters before. Peeing in a gatorade bottle would be nothing lol. Oh spectre defiantly could of been trimmed. I still dont get why EON never capitalized on a 2 part Bond film for Craigs last movie

    John Logan pitched the idea for a 2 part finale. But Sam Mendes and Daniel Craig said no. Now that SM is gone and DC got a break, it seems they somewhat went back to the idea.
  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
    edited July 2021 Posts: 1,031
    Wow, very in-depth and meaty article! Something clicked in my head when Fukunaga said that YOLT had a certain aesthetic he was drawn to… coupling that with another article saying his favorite Bond was CR.

    He seems to really understand Bond. I think we’re in for a unique experience that will stylistically feel miles apart from SF/SP.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    Posts: 5,970
    Of course @MaxCasino, but my point is more that Fukunaga never does the same thing twice. Each of his projects are vastly different from the last. He’s never done a sequel or a second season, so I don’t know if he’d want to do it again - but of course never say never.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited July 2021 Posts: 4,583
    Denbigh wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I understand the frustration but its the product of the iconography of the franchise, which the franchise itself hasn't helped at certain points in its history, and I personally think that having comments and discussions like these, along with more conscious efforts on the part of the filmmakers and actors involved, will help try and change the conversation going forward - even if there are those of you that don't agree that franchise is that bad in terms of its representation.
    I'm all for looking at (and being critical) of the franchise's treatment of women; too often, though, that gets confused with the character's treatment of women. Yes, there is the Patricia Fearing moment; there is the slap on the rear in GF; I would even say that Bond's slap of Tatiana took things a bit too far. What casual writers forget are the times in which Bond showed extreme remorse and regret when a completely innocent woman is harmed or put in harm's way. Tilly Masterson is a perfect example. Or when Bond shows great concern when Plenty is thrown out a hotel room window. Or when Bond is visibly shaken by the death of Solange and of Fields. Or when he risks his own life to save Honey Ryder or Anya Amasova. The "James Bond is a misogynist" claim is too quickly thrown about, and the truth is more complicated than that.
    That's true, and I'd say that comes from the blurred lines between Bond being a "womanizer" (as Vesper puts it herself "you think of women as disposable pleasures, rather than meaningful pursuits".) and the franchise's treatment, which is a given seeing as he is the face of the franchise that's doing so.

    I will also say I think Skyfall really messed in terms of Severine. It kinda brought back into play the more bad taste trap the franchise sometimes falls into, with the shower scene and Bond's disregarding comment after her death, which we could understand as a play on his part to not seem bothered to Silva, but it still came across bad in general and could've been handled to better. I just thought I'd mention it as it's a more recent example that came up a lot around the film's release.

    I agree. I was not bothered by the "waste of good Scotch line" because it was meant to throw off Silva's henchmen. But there was an opportunity, after Bond returns to MI6, for some sort of exchange: "Sir, we still have not located her next of kin." "Keep trying. And check that burial arrangements have been secured. I want to make sure she receives the dignity she deserves." "Yes, sir." This sort of dialogue never happened, and it needed to.

    I think the Mendes team realized this mishap and did things a little differently with Lucia.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
    Posts: 2,537
    Léa Seydoux: ‘Art is a sexual energy. It’s the highest form of creation’
    https://theguardian.com/film/2021/jul/16/lea-seydoux-art-is-a-sexual-energy-cannes-lockdown-bond

    Later this year we’ll see her reprise her role as Madeleine Swann in the much-delayed Bond film No Time to Die. It strikes me that the role of a Bond girl is perhaps even more loaded than that of a muse, but Seydoux’s not so sure. “The challenge with Bond is adapting to a different genre,” she says. “I’ve done more independent films in my career, so to be on a big machine like James Bond is interesting. And yes, of course, it’s an entertainment. It’s not about relationships, or love, it’s made to entertain. But it took me out of my comfort zone. Also, it’s fun. Great stunts, great locations. Something bigger than life, it’s good to experience that.”
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited July 2021 Posts: 5,970
    And it's also a shame because up until the island, Severine was a really interesting character. I do also think the shower scene could've been fixed if they'd just added a scene where maybe Bond and Severine do get to share the champagne that she had waiting, and it was made obvious that Severine lead him to the shower or something, so it felt like less like Bond was just walking in on her, surprising her, and seemingly not giving her a choice, because as some people mentioned with that scene, she knows Bond is a killer and maybe felt that if she'd turned him down when he's right behind her, it wouldn't have ended well, especially given her probable experience with Silva.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited July 2021 Posts: 8,205
    TripAces wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I understand the frustration but its the product of the iconography of the franchise, which the franchise itself hasn't helped at certain points in its history, and I personally think that having comments and discussions like these, along with more conscious efforts on the part of the filmmakers and actors involved, will help try and change the conversation going forward - even if there are those of you that don't agree that franchise is that bad in terms of its representation.
    I'm all for looking at (and being critical) of the franchise's treatment of women; too often, though, that gets confused with the character's treatment of women. Yes, there is the Patricia Fearing moment; there is the slap on the rear in GF; I would even say that Bond's slap of Tatiana took things a bit too far. What casual writers forget are the times in which Bond showed extreme remorse and regret when a completely innocent woman is harmed or put in harm's way. Tilly Masterson is a perfect example. Or when Bond shows great concern when Plenty is thrown out a hotel room window. Or when Bond is visibly shaken by the death of Solange and of Fields. Or when he risks his own life to save Honey Ryder or Anya Amasova. The "James Bond is a misogynist" claim is too quickly thrown about, and the truth is more complicated than that.
    That's true, and I'd say that comes from the blurred lines between Bond being a "womanizer" (as Vesper puts it herself "you think of women as disposable pleasures, rather than meaningful pursuits".) and the franchise's treatment, which is a given seeing as he is the face of the franchise that's doing so.

    I will also say I think Skyfall really messed in terms of Severine. It kinda brought back into play the more bad taste trap the franchise sometimes falls into, with the shower scene and Bond's disregarding comment after her death, which we could understand as a play on his part to not seem bothered to Silva, but it still came across bad in general and could've been handled to better. I just thought I'd mention it as it's a more recent example that came up a lot around the film's release.

    I agree. I was not bothered by the "waste of good Scotch line" because it was meant to throw off Silva's henchmen. But there was an opportunity, after Bond returns to MI6, for some sort of exchange: "Sir, we still have not located her next of kin." "Keep trying. And check that burial arrangements have been secured. I want to make sure she receives the dignity she deserves." "Yes, sir." This sort of dialogue never happened, and it needed to.

    I think the Mendes team realized this mishap and did things a little differently with Lucia.

    I’ve always thought that the scene would have been helped immensely , and the character of Severine better served , had Bond paused for a beat before adding the comment about the Scotch.

    “What a waste……. of good scotch”
  • MakeItWorkforYouMakeItWorkforYou originating out of Belarus.
    Posts: 20
    talos7 wrote: »

    I’ve always thought that the scene would have been helped immensely , and the character of Severine better served , had Bond paused for a beat before adding the comment about the Scotch.

    “What a waste……. of good scotch”

    I agree. Maybe because it reminds me of Sharkey, one of my favorite side characters.
    "What a terrible waste..... of money!"
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,205
    Well some one doesn’t want spoilers…

    https://screenrant.com/james-bond-25-spoilers-rachel-weisz-daniel-craig/
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
    Posts: 3,022
    Daily Mail article based on Total film's

    Daniel Craig reveals completing a story that started in Casino Royale helped convince him to return for No Time to Die

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9801493/Daniel-Craig-reveals-completing-story-started-Casino-Royale-lead-No-Time-Die.html

  • fjdinardofjdinardo
    Posts: 1,970
    Contraband wrote: »
    Daily Mail article based on Total film's

    Daniel Craig reveals completing a story that started in Casino Royale helped convince him to return for No Time to Die

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9801493/Daniel-Craig-reveals-completing-story-started-Casino-Royale-lead-No-Time-Die.html

    While I agree he is gonna complete a story I just wish Skyfall would have been a stand alone. That movie didn't need to be tied in with the others.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,133
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Contraband wrote: »
    Daily Mail article based on Total film's

    Daniel Craig reveals completing a story that started in Casino Royale helped convince him to return for No Time to Die

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9801493/Daniel-Craig-reveals-completing-story-started-Casino-Royale-lead-No-Time-Die.html

    While I agree he is gonna complete a story I just wish Skyfall would have been a stand alone. That movie didn't need to be tied in with the others.

    Very much agree. Till SP, there wasn't any logical connection to link all the Craig films.
    I'm hoping the link in NTTD is at least credible.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited July 2021 Posts: 6,288
    What
    Vesper Lynd story is left to be told?!? She's been dead for fifteen years!
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