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  • Yeah I imagine it will be like the Bahamas section of Casino Royale.
  • phantomvicesphantomvices Mother Base
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    matt_u wrote: »
    Paloma is a last minute addition to the script that Cary demanded and she’s clearly 100% PWB. I don’t know, everything seems quite tense in this film I hope that section with her won’t feel too detached, tonally, from the rest.

    I'm getting the feeling she's going to be played for laughs a bit - like up until the gas drops and the fights happen it's going to be way more lighthearted than what comes after that scene.
    antovolk wrote: »
    I think in this and the other audio clips released today (on that BBC podcast), you can feel Waller Bridge's input, it's the tone, the delivery of it all...very Brosnan-esque, and Craig clearly having fun

    Yeah, the soundtrack and Bond's personality is turning back towards a more Brosnan like theme. If this is Waller-Bridge's input, then it gives me a lot more confidence in her, given I wasn't a fan of her previous work and was very skeptical at first because I feared her comedic sense wouldn't fit Bond. I'm glad to see though, much like Zimmer, she seems to be referencing Bonds of old to find the humor and style.

    Univex wrote: »
    She's very quirky. It suits her.

    I'd say she's very lighthearted, almost goofy, but can be serious if the situation calls for it - much like Roger Moore's Bond, in fact.
    I'd also like to see her fight scene as well, when she's serious.

    I was also a little afraid of Paloma's character leaning way too much into the 'quirky' archetype, and her awkward traits being more obnoxious than endearing. Media right now is a little too infatuated with that type of character right now, like the Marvel series of movies (I think the majority of us are sick of that vein of humor now!), but seeing those clips puts some confidence back into her character.
  • It seems like they're playing her off as a cutesy, naive, disarming type but once the action kicks off the switch flips and she turns into a machine.
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    It seems like they're playing her off as a cutesy, naive, disarming type but once the action kicks off the switch flips and she turns into a machine.

    All of this setting up for a Nomi/Paloma buddy agent movie where they travel the globe and shoot at people for two hours.

    (I would see this opening day)
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    antovolk wrote: »
    When De Armas described her character as inexperienced and bubbly I admit that I was slightly disappointed that Paloma wasn’t written as a more conventional Bond girl. However, she seems to fit this character like a glove and I can’t wait to see her steal the show during the Cuba section.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
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    BMB007 wrote: »
    It seems like they're playing her off as a cutesy, naive, disarming type but once the action kicks off the switch flips and she turns into a machine.

    All of this setting up for a Nomi/Paloma buddy agent movie where they travel the globe and shoot at people for two hours.

    (I would see this opening day)

    Better make that twoooo…
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Univex wrote: »
    She's very quirky. It suits her.

    Drinking the cola with a straw is such a nice touch.

    Also, much has been said about Bond's odd facial expression while toasting with Paloma. It makes a little more sense now...his shock and awe at her performance. I can't wait to see this!!!
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    bondsum wrote: »
    November is still very optimistic. I'm looking at next spring as the earliest possible date right now, but as 2020 has taught us, that could easily change. You cannot plan for anything anymore.
    I don't disagree with you @jetsetwilly. I think you're pessimistically correct in your evaluation. I'm just giving myself a marker for when I will return for more of this nonsense.
    Bondsum IS Back in Action!
    Did I miss anything? Nah, probably not.
    We should have some idea what people really think of NTTD by the end of this coming week. My guess is the Press Screenings will be around 25th September (based on the previous ones). I won't be taking any notice of the professional, access media types, only the normies that have somehow managed to blag a ticket and tell it as it really is.

    Trailers can be very deceptive—but from what I've seen so far—NTTD looks very good. Let's hope it all hangs together to deliver a great Bond movie.
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    Is anyone able to extract Zimmer’s score from the new BBC Podcast?
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    bondsum wrote: »
    bondsum wrote: »
    November is still very optimistic. I'm looking at next spring as the earliest possible date right now, but as 2020 has taught us, that could easily change. You cannot plan for anything anymore.
    I don't disagree with you @jetsetwilly. I think you're pessimistically correct in your evaluation. I'm just giving myself a marker for when I will return for more of this nonsense.
    Bondsum IS Back in Action!
    Did I miss anything? Nah, probably not.
    We should have some idea what people really think of NTTD by the end of this coming week. My guess is the Press Screenings will be around 25th September (based on the previous ones). I won't be taking any notice of the professional, access media types, only the normies that have somehow managed to blag a ticket and tell it as it really is.

    Trailers can be very deceptive—but from what I've seen so far—NTTD looks very good. Let's hope it all hangs together to deliver a great Bond movie.

    The press screenings have been confirmed to take place on world premiere day 28th with embargo lifting after it finishes.
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    antovolk wrote: »
    bondsum wrote: »
    bondsum wrote: »
    November is still very optimistic. I'm looking at next spring as the earliest possible date right now, but as 2020 has taught us, that could easily change. You cannot plan for anything anymore.
    I don't disagree with you @jetsetwilly. I think you're pessimistically correct in your evaluation. I'm just giving myself a marker for when I will return for more of this nonsense.
    Bondsum IS Back in Action!
    Did I miss anything? Nah, probably not.
    We should have some idea what people really think of NTTD by the end of this coming week. My guess is the Press Screenings will be around 25th September (based on the previous ones). I won't be taking any notice of the professional, access media types, only the normies that have somehow managed to blag a ticket and tell it as it really is.

    Trailers can be very deceptive—but from what I've seen so far—NTTD looks very good. Let's hope it all hangs together to deliver a great Bond movie.

    The press screenings have been confirmed to take place on world premiere day 28th with embargo lifting after it finishes.

    Correct.
    In every country all the press screenings have been pushed back to the 28th.
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    antovolk wrote: »
    The press screenings have been confirmed to take place on world premiere day 28th with embargo lifting after it finishes.
    Thanks for the update @antovolk. I'm not sure how I feel about this. Previously I managed to see both CR and QoS roughly a week before the world premieres and didn't have to sign any embargo, nor did I adhere to one. Older members here will remember my early spoilers and views for those 2 movies. Strict embargos are normally an early warning sign for the movie not being up-to-snuff. We shall see. Not long now.
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    Well, to be fair, there is no embargo if the premiere and the press screenings coincide.

    I mean, if logic serves me right, the screening preceding the premiere is the thing that justifies embargoes, right? To keep spoilers, or the overall quality of the flick under the proverbial table.

    So, screens + premiere on the same day = no embargo.

    Which serves nothing as far as telling us about the quality of the film. I think.
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    bondsum wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    The press screenings have been confirmed to take place on world premiere day 28th with embargo lifting after it finishes.
    Thanks for the update @antovolk. I'm not sure how I feel about this. Previously I managed to see both CR and QoS roughly a week before the world premieres and didn't have to sign any embargo, nor did I adhere to one. Older members here will remember my early spoilers and views for those 2 movies. Strict embargos are normally an early warning sign for the movie not being up-to-snuff. We shall see. Not long now.

    Or, perhaps instead of it being a sign of quality, it's a sign of a pandemic condensing everything.
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    Univex wrote: »
    Well, to be fair, there is no embargo if the premiere and the press screenings coincide.

    I mean, if logic serves me right, the screening preceding the premiere is the thing that justifies embargoes, right? To keep spoilers, or the overall quality of the flick under the proverbial table.

    So, screens + premiere on the same day = no embargo.

    Which serves nothing as far as telling us about the quality of the film. I think.
    Indeed. But my point is this hasn't happened before, certainly not that I can recall. I don't buy the keep-spoilers-to-a-minimum scenario, especially as professional critics don't tend to include "spoilers" in their reviews. What this tends to point to is the studio not wanting people to lose interest or enthusiasm before block booking their tickets due to average or poor reviews before the movie has had a chance to come out. MGM used to have faith in their Bond movies. The early positive reviews and word-of-mouth certainly helped Casino Royale before it was released to the public. As I pointed out previously, I saw CR before the Royal Premiere and there wasn't an embargo in place.

    Lastly, spoilers are going to be all over the internet after Sept 28. For instance, if Bond dies at the end of NTTD, then it'll be splashed over every British tabloid headline and entertainment site, come what may. Same thing if Bond has an illegitimate daughter. The reviews will be the least of the studio's problems.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    Billie-Eilish-No-Time-To-Die-Record-Store-Day.jpg

    ‘No Time To Die‘ by Billie Eilish, will be released as a new limited edition 7″ vinyl on Record Store Day’s Black Friday Event on 26 November, 2021.

    The new vinyl features the live performance from the BRIT Awards and a never before released demo version.
  • edited September 2021 Posts: 3,164
    bondsum wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    Well, to be fair, there is no embargo if the premiere and the press screenings coincide.

    I mean, if logic serves me right, the screening preceding the premiere is the thing that justifies embargoes, right? To keep spoilers, or the overall quality of the flick under the proverbial table.

    So, screens + premiere on the same day = no embargo.

    Which serves nothing as far as telling us about the quality of the film. I think.
    Indeed. But my point is this hasn't happened before, certainly not that I can recall. I don't buy the keep-spoilers-to-a-minimum scenario, especially as professional critics don't tend to include "spoilers" in their reviews. What this tends to point to is the studio not wanting people to lose interest or enthusiasm before block booking their tickets due to average or poor reviews before the movie has had a chance to come out. MGM used to have faith in their Bond movies. The early positive reviews and word-of-mouth certainly helped Casino Royale before it was released to the public. As I pointed out previously, I saw CR before the Royal Premiere and there wasn't an embargo in place.

    Lastly, spoilers are going to be all over the internet after Sept 28. For instance, if Bond dies at the end of NTTD, then it'll be splashed over every British tabloid headline and entertainment site, come what may. Same thing if Bond has an illegitimate daughter. The reviews will be the least of the studio's problems.

    Firstly some countries are having press screenings on the morning of the 28th (and I bet the very important critics in the US, UK and elsewhere will get to see it before then).

    And secondly, having an embargo isn't a bad sign in itself. It is an absolute norm for pretty much all major films, it's just that for Bond they never really had it as the post production of the films was so down to the wire and so they couldn't screen them to press earlier than when they'd likely want reviews.

    The decision to arguably discuss is holding press screenings and allowing reviews to break only on the day/right after the world premiere as opposed to a week before as usual. Which is just over a day before UK release and a week before US. In my opinion, would say there's nothing to worry about and if anything does come down to spoilers...this is exactly the model Avengers Endgame and the recent Stat Wars films followed. And to add as well what some recent films (eg BR2049) have done - explicitly spelled out which spoilers reviewers who see it early are not allowed to mention
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    Oh, I see. Thank you both for your expertise, @bondsum and @antovolk :) I do understand it all better now.
  • AgentJamesBond007AgentJamesBond007 Vesper’s grave
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    For those of you in London, you can purchase tickets to BAFTA’s “A Life in Pictures” career retrospective with Daniel Craig here:

    https://www.odeon.co.uk/ticketing/seat-picker/?showtimeId=153-3443
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    antovolk wrote: »
    And secondly, having an embargo isn't a bad sign in itself. It is an absolute norm for pretty much all major films, it's just that for Bond they never really had it as the post production of the films was so down to the wire and so they couldn't screen them to press earlier than when they'd likely want reviews.
    Not sure I follow your logic? Yes, the director, editor, composer and post-production team had to meet their release dates which were always locked in. And yes, the press screenings always came before the release dates... so obviously they screened the movies earlier rather than later. Nevertheless, they always met those release dates.
    antovolk wrote: »
    The decision to arguably discuss is holding press screenings and allowing reviews to break only on the day/right after the world premiere as opposed to a week before as usual. Which is just over a day before UK release and a week before US. In my opinion, would say there's nothing to worry about and if anything does come down to spoilers...this is exactly the model Avengers Endgame and the recent Stat Wars films followed. And to add as well what some recent films (eg BR2049) have done - explicitly spelled out which spoilers reviewers who see it early are not allowed to mention
    Now, you might be onto something by saying the studios adopted these embargo techniques following the Avenger's Endgame and Star Wars (Episode VIII) model. It probably has more to do with the rise of the toxic Twitter app than anything else. It's certainly something that's relatively recent and doesn't go back that many years.

    BR2049 was a B.O. flop, so clearly this model only works or worked for particular movies and won't work for every single so-called future blockbuster. Both Avengers and Star Wars VIII were also reaching their final conclusions with audiences already heavily invested in the characters and story. Not so with NTTD, which appears to be more of an afterthought and not part of a big plan. In fact, most cinemagoers were lead to believe SPECTRE was the last Daniel Craig Bond movie. The final shot even had 007 and Madeleine Swann driving off into the sunset, and that should really have been that. Now it's been over 6 years and we finally get a belated sequel...

    Interestingly enough, the recent US Trailer had a montage of previous Craig Bonds to help refresh US audiences of the story so far. International audiences—where Bond is far more popular—didn't need to have their memories jogged in the same way. I think NTTD will do better within the international market and fare less well in the US market. It's only a feeling. I don't know this for a fact, but we shall see in the coming months. Though I hope it does well in all markets.
  • edited September 2021 Posts: 3,164
    Not sure I follow your logic? Yes, the director, editor, composer and post-production team had to meet their release dates which were always locked in. And yes, the press screenings always came before the release dates... so obviously they screened the movies earlier rather than later. Nevertheless, they always met those release dates

    What I meant was that on a lot of other films - where the embargo thing is more a norm - the film is done some time earlier, allowing it to screen to press for the first time potentially weeks/months before release date (particularly important for print publications that need to meet early print deadlines). With the recent Bonds the first screening to press altogether was week before release.

    And to add, it's not just Blade Runner that's specifically asking critics to refrain from revealing specific spoilers in reviews...I'm hearing of so many films, even TV shows now, where the studios broadcasters are strict about all this with reviews. But yes, very recent development that's really only come into play in the six years since Spectre. There's a lot more attention being paid to all this, and a lot of trying to play the game so to say. Another tactic many studio film use nowadays is 'social embargoes', allowing social media reactions from press to a film, but forbidding full reviews until closer to release date. Some films, like the new Venom film, purposefully have screenings for 'fans' first (one happened earlier this week) and allow them to discuss, while professional critics are not allowed until said embargo.

    Btw, new feature in the Times with interviews https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/why-bond-will-never-be-the-same-again-after-no-time-to-die-zg8sn8d6l
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    You can’t deny that it’s a bad sign that they aren’t having critics see it early. If it was Skyfall good they would want to market with those critics reviews ASAP
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    You can’t deny that it’s a bad sign that they aren’t having critics see it early. If it was Skyfall good they would want to market with those critics reviews ASAP

    Well it is definitely either two things, that or spoilers. Inclined to believe it's the latter (and the MI6-HQ admins are saying that is indeed the case)
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    bondsum wrote: »
    Interestingly enough, the recent US Trailer had a montage of previous Craig Bonds to help refresh US audiences of the story so far. International audiences—where Bond is far more popular—didn't need to have their memories jogged in the same way. I think NTTD will do better within the international market and fare less well in the US market. It's only a feeling. I don't know this for a fact, but we shall see in the coming months. Though I hope it does well in all markets.

    The Craig montage trailer has been rolling out in the Asian markets. So, it's definitely not a US specific thing.

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    You can’t deny that it’s a bad sign that they aren’t having critics see it early. If it was Skyfall good they would want to market with those critics reviews ASAP

    I'm not a huge fan of him, but ViewerAnon does have a good track record with this kind of stuff. He's not one to lie or run studio PR as "buzz".



    If it was a stinker or they didn't like it, me thinks EON would've been more apt to take the money and run last fall. The fact that they have been SO committed to theatrical and having a big event out of it shows a great deal of confidence, at least from my point of view.
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    To just also add on the embargo discussion, arguably a major benefit of one is actually to allow *time* for critics to put together reviews. And not rush them out while on the tube from the first screening. Not that this will apply here, as the big UK screening will conclude right as the embargo lifts...
  • StarkStark France
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    You can’t deny that it’s a bad sign that they aren’t having critics see it early. If it was Skyfall good they would want to market with those critics reviews ASAP

    If the film is bad, why are they showing it at the Zurich festival ? And we have 2 reliable sources (Deadline and Baz Bamigboye) who have indicated that the film is very good so I'm not worried.
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    I'll be seeing this in the US at least a week, yes ?, after the British opening, so...I'll just have to stay off the #$*%&-ing Internet at least that long !
  • marketto007marketto007 Brazil
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    New footage and dialogue:

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