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  • bondsumbondsum
    edited July 2019 Posts: 3,333
    Shardlake wrote: »
    I know some like SPECTRE and actually think it was better than SF, I personally can't comprehend it but I'm not considering myself hysterical over it.

    My opinion as it was the biggest let down of the era and because of the potential squandered it remains bottom of the pile for me.
    Without wanting to derail countless pages discussing the wonders of the clapperboard outside the Rutland Arms, just out of curiosity, what potential did you feel was actually squandered in SP?
  • Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel
    Posts: 4,409
    New photos from yesterday. It looks as though it's a scene where Bond goes to meet M.....

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  • peterpeter Toronto
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    That Fukanaga guy looks totally out of his depths (lol).
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,216
    peter wrote: »
    That Fukanaga guy looks totally out of his depths (lol).

    Yes, wandering aimlessly. 🙄
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    So Waltz is coming back. I can't help but laugh at all those people who were 100% convinced that he wouldn't because in October 2017 he said that he wasn't sure he would return. Guess I was right once again. Yet bufoons like CashleyPersia are trusted more than I am.
  • TuxedoTuxedo Europe
    Posts: 260
    The plot was poor in SP. And Waltz was boring. Not overwhelmed to know him back in B 25 to be honest. But let's wait and see the movie.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,138
    I’ve never seen the point of walking out of a movie. After all you’ve paid your money to see it. How do you know how it will end?
    The latest set photos look good. Nice to see Ralph on location. I really like his ‘M’, reminds me of the Bernard Lee ‘M’ somewhat. Hard as nails, but more often than not, trusts Bond to get the job done.
    I don’t bother trying to work out the clapper boards, or where they fit time size compared to previous Bond films. I’ll find out April 2020. Gotta have a few surprises going in.
    I do have to say, spirits on the set look high. Everyone is smiling in the latest photos, far from looking like a doomed production anyway.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,216
    I’m happy that Waltz is going to get another crack at the role, even if in a limited capacity; he’s extremely talented and can be very intimidating.
    Mendes liked giving his villains a quirky, at times silly side; this didn’t hurt Silva, much, but was very detrimental to Blofeld. For 25, I think Cary will drop this and present the head of SPECTRE as a sinister, twisted, unnerving but charming foe.
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
    Posts: 12,526
    I am very pleased to see Waltz have the opportunity to reprise his Blofeld role. What I would like to see in a Marvel type way? Is after the credits have rolled? That we see Blofeld is broke out of where ever it is he has been held up in?
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,807
    Walecs wrote: »
    So Waltz is coming back. I can't help but laugh at all those people who were 100% convinced that he wouldn't because in October 2017 he said that he wasn't sure he would return.
    Casino Royale. Almost universally praised.

    Quantum of Solace. Debacle. Failure. Mr. White will never return, especially after the actor's comments to the press. Quantum will never be mentioned in future films.

    Skyfall. Almost universally praised.

    Spectre. Debacle. Failure. Waltz Blofeld will never return, especially after the actor's comments to the press. And hopefully not Madeleine. The next one will be stand-alone most likely, no SPECTRE organization.

    Prediction:
    BOND 25. Almost universally praised.

  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    Posts: 5,185
    RichardTheBruce wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    So Waltz is coming back. I can't help but laugh at all those people who were 100% convinced that he wouldn't because in October 2017 he said that he wasn't sure he would return.
    Casino Royale. Almost universally praised.

    Quantum of Solace. Debacle. Failure. Mr. White will never return, especially after the actor's comments to the press. Quantum will never be mentioned in future films.

    Skyfall. Almost universally praised.

    Spectre. Debacle. Failure. Waltz Blofeld will never return, especially after the actor's comments to the press. And hopefully not Madeleine. The next one will be stand-alone most likely, no SPECTRE organization.

    Prediction:
    BOND 25. Almost universally praised.

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  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
    Posts: 2,539
    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    New photos from yesterday. It looks as though it's a scene where Bond goes to meet M.....

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    I'm really not a fan of M's hair style. It doesn't suit Ralph in the slightest.

  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,756
    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    New photos from yesterday. It looks as though it's a scene where Bond goes to meet M.....

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    Ralph Fiennes reminds me of comedian Simon Evans in those photos.

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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    RichardTheBruce wrote: »
    Spectre. Debacle. Failure.

    Well, it really wasn't, now was it?

    It made nearly 900 million dollars, it won an Oscar (not one I'm particularly pleased with but that's beside the point) and the reviews were mixed to positive.

    A debacle or failure? That sounds like Uwe Boll's output. ;-)
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,807
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    RichardTheBruce wrote: »
    Spectre. Debacle. Failure.
    Well, it really wasn't, now was it?

    It made nearly 900 million dollars, it won an Oscar (not one I'm particularly pleased with but that's beside the point) and the reviews were mixed to positive.
    That's absolutely my point, @DarthDimi.

    Likewise Quantum of Solace, which is much better regarded more openly today. The lesson of the On Her Majesty's Secret Service failure myth: the long view of history doesn't support it.

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,183
    RichardTheBruce wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    RichardTheBruce wrote: »
    Spectre. Debacle. Failure.
    Well, it really wasn't, now was it?

    It made nearly 900 million dollars, it won an Oscar (not one I'm particularly pleased with but that's beside the point) and the reviews were mixed to positive.
    That's absolutely my point, @DarthDimi.

    Likewise Quantum of Solace, which is much better regarded more openly today. The lesson of the On Her Majesty's Secret Service failure myth: the long view of history doesn't support it.

    And I think we can throw in Dalton's tenure as well, also now a fan favourite.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,636
    In regards to Waltz returning, remember that he also said that he wasn't playing the head of Spectre. In other words, actors lie all the time, him in particular. Naomie Harris said that she wasn't Moneypenny, remember.
  • antovolkantovolk
    Posts: 3,164
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    In regards to Waltz returning, remember that he also said that he wasn't playing the head of Spectre. In other words, actors lie all the time, him in particular. Naomie Harris said that she wasn't Moneypenny, remember.

    But this info didn't come from Waltz necessarily... trade papers have also confirmed Waltz is indeed returning.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,807
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    In regards to Waltz returning, remember that he also said that he wasn't playing the head of Spectre. In other words, actors lie all the time, him in particular. Naomie Harris said that she wasn't Moneypenny, remember.
    I'd actually welcome Waltz's denial of reappearing as confirmation of it. If that makes sense.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,473
    Can’t be certain, but I strongly suspect Boyle and Hodge’s story did NOT include Blofeld or SPECTRE. Maybe Waltz really didn’t think he was returning at the time.
  • TR007TR007
    Posts: 1,165
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Can’t be certain, but I strongly suspect Boyle and Hodge’s story did NOT include Blofeld or SPECTRE. Maybe Waltz really didn’t think he was returning at the time.
    I’d agree. I can’t imagine Boyle wanting to link his movie with the previous entries.

  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    Benny wrote: »
    I’ve never seen the point of walking out of a movie. After all you’ve paid your money to see it. How do you know how it will end?
    I agree. I only walked out of Dunkirk because I didn't pay for it (I had a movie pass) and it bore me to death. But I could never imagine walking out of a Bond movie. Even Spectre, which ranks very low in my list, I watched three times at the movie theatre (and paid each time for it).
  • ZekidkZekidk
    Posts: 3,276
    SP is a mixed bag. It has wonderful locations and plenty of setpieces. Sadly, there's a complete lack of tension. mainly due to crossediting and an incoherent script. The color grading in the Mexico and Morocco-scenes annoyed me, the score is mediocre at best and Waltz was not menacing as we all hoped.

    I don't want B25 to
    Getafix wrote: »
    follow hard on the heels of SP.

  • FrankXavierFrankXavier
    edited July 2019 Posts: 678
    Spectre is a bad Bond movie to me and no amount of box office is gonna make me think otherwise. It’s not totally irredeemable, the train scene is fun, but that’s it.

    I wish Fukunaga the best with the leftovers from that movie.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,183
    Walecs wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    I’ve never seen the point of walking out of a movie. After all you’ve paid your money to see it. How do you know how it will end?
    I agree. I only walked out of Dunkirk because I didn't pay for it (I had a movie pass) and it bore me to death. But I could never imagine walking out of a Bond movie. Even Spectre, which ranks very low in my list, I watched three times at the movie theatre (and paid each time for it).

    You walked out of Dunkirk? Boring movie? That doesn't even begin to register. But okay, that proves once and for all that we all have different tastes and opinions. No way B25 is going to please us all. ;-)
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
    Posts: 1,534
    Walecs wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    I’ve never seen the point of walking out of a movie. After all you’ve paid your money to see it. How do you know how it will end?
    I agree. I only walked out of Dunkirk because I didn't pay for it (I had a movie pass) and it bore me to death. But I could never imagine walking out of a Bond movie. Even Spectre, which ranks very low in my list, I watched three times at the movie theatre (and paid each time for it).

    I didn't like Dunkirk either.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,304
    Zekidk wrote: »
    SP is a mixed bag. It has wonderful locations and plenty of setpieces. Sadly, there's a complete lack of tension. mainly due to crossediting and an incoherent script. The color grading in the Mexico and Morocco-scenes annoyed me, the score is mediocre at best and Waltz was not menacing as we all hoped.

    I don't want B25 to
    Getafix wrote: »
    follow hard on the heels of SP.

    Moneypenny's refrigerator! Refrigerators don't work in action movies--see Indy 4.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    bondsum wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    I know some like SPECTRE and actually think it was better than SF, I personally can't comprehend it but I'm not considering myself hysterical over it.

    My opinion as it was the biggest let down of the era and because of the potential squandered it remains bottom of the pile for me.
    Without wanting to derail countless pages discussing the wonders of the clapperboard outside the Rutland Arms, just out of curiosity, what potential did you feel was actually squandered in SP?

    The potential to properly own the idea of introducing SPECTRE to this era, have a proper Blofeld that sends chills up the spine.

    I feel so strongly about this that I started to write a treatment of my version and what I would have done.

    That has now expanded to more than just my contribution and I have a professional very talented screenwriter our own @peter collaborating on this with me and I can tell you now it's evolving considerably.

    I know some would have preferred that EON saved the rights for the next Bond but if they were going to go there they could have thought it out better than this.

    We are coming to the end of our 1st draft, I say we Peter has really made this fly.

    Look I know someone isn't going to say lets shoot this sucker and when all said and done it's just a fan project but I'm pretty sure in saying we'll deliver something considerably better to what was released in 2015.

    We will share the finished product here for all to see when it's ready.
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
    edited July 2019 Posts: 1,261
    I would not call it lying. Maybe the production company insisted on Waltz not telling he'd be playing Blofeld in SP, or Naomie Harris saying she'd not be playing Moneypenny in SF. And about Waltz's return: When Boyle and Hodge were slated to write and direct B25, maybe there was no Blofeld and no Madeleine Swann in the movie. Fukunaga on the other hand said regarding bringing back Seydoux and Waltz, that he wouldn't exclude it, as the Kronen-Zeitung in Austria reported back in December 2018.

    https://www.krone.at/1823745

    Joseph Gordon Levitt also denied, that he would play Robin in TDKR...
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,473
    I really want the villain of B25 to be non-SPECTRE. The silly retcon still bothers me from SP. Anytime I watch Craig’s first 3, I never think of the villains as SPECTRE agents.
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