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Her writing is anything but PC.
And her comments concerning Bond being true to his character show that she is not driven by PC ideology.
She has a shared experience with Bond. Imagine a scene where she talks about her first two kills. Perhaps Bond even opens up. Considering the fact that Nomi is also '007' I can imagine she would be the first person in his entire life who he could imagine speaking too.....essentially she is another version of himself.
They have a shared kinship.
Plus, there are naturally comic elements as Bond and Nomi would have friction as a result of the '007' handover.
So you have drama and comedy. I can't think of a more perfect dynamic.
I guess people are mad as the '007' moniker is associated with white masculinity and strength. The notion of associating that number with a black female emasculates the notion of the strong white male saving the world. It also may appear scary as the strong white male (Daniel Craig's Bond) will seemingly be subservient in rank to a young black woman (Lashana Lynch's 007).
There's a certain degree of indirect discrimination that prohibits people associating the '007' number with anything aside the white male hegemony. Any attempt to decry it as a 'gimmick' undermines the importance the move is to certain people.
I'm not against the Nomi as 007 idea as I'm sure I've made clear previously, but I think this is extremely presumptious and unfair on those who simply just like these trademark aspects of the Bond films as part of being escapist fantasy and enjoy them without any consideration for such social viewpoints.
It is also possible for something to be a gimmick (and unless it's key to the plot - which it probably isn't - it is a gimmick) and important to certain people at the same time. It doesn't necessarily undermine anything.
Are you for real?!?
What the f'n is "white masculinity and strength"?
And a strong white male (are you talking about gorillas here? I can't tell), would feel emasculated by the young black woman?
Are you for real?!?
If this is the train for the brave new world, where people have "opinions" like this, and their analytical ability is restrained by this politically correct esotropia, I'm bloody out. I know you find it a fad to trend on twitter and be pro the empowerment of minorities just for the sake of it, but this is ridiculous. And, to be fair, racist as hell. A strong white male, emasculated?!? Are we in the National Geographic Channel here? What a load of b*ll.
We're talking about characters written by authors, described in full, head to toe. And if you're talking about emasculating white heterosexual males (to use your bio-something discourse), what better way to destitute all their identificatory fictional characters and make them ashamed of their colour of skin. Isn't that racism? Social justice, you say? No, sir, it's racism. It's bigotry. It's feminism the way misogyny is masculinity. It's wrong.
All of this said, 007 is just a bloody number assigned to an agent. And they're using it as a gimmick to have fun with the characters, as you've said.
People here don't like that because it is a gimmick, and frankly, we just want a well written James Bond 007 film that doesn't feel ashamed of what it is. This one may very well be it. Who knows at this point?
Strong white male and white masculinity...please... Only skinheads and right wing conservatives consider those a thing. Saying some of us feel emasculated by these news is overstepping your mark sir.
It’s such condescending tripe
Wow. That just...proved the point.
I think it's an interesting twist for B25, if accurate.
I missed your comments sir =D>
While we are on this subject try changing female characters to male one's for the sake of gimmicks and then see the reaction, good luck with that.
Over and out
There are obvious social implications as this is 2019 and everything is political. But that only occurs if we push a post-modern filter on this news and analyse some kind of political motivation behind the casting.
There is a very very good chance that Lashana Lynch was the best person for the part and that she just happens to be a black woman.
In this respect, there is nothing stopping you enjoying the film as a piece of entertainment. Remember, none of us know how it will be handled. We are merely reacting off the idea off our own built-in value system.
Personally, I'm just trying to rationalise why people may feel this way.
Mr. Cool
I think we have a really smart set of writers (I'm not a P&W fan, but I think PWB, CJF and SZB are all heavyweights) and from PWB's interviews I just can't see her allowing this to be solely a 'gimmick.'
I think (or maybe HOPE) that the information we are piecing together isn't quite as straightforward as we think, purely on the basis that SP was ruined by leaks (not to mention a trailer which pretty much spoiled the major plot twist!) I really think we will be in for a few surprises, otherwise I think the film will be a disappointment if it follows the course some of these leaks seem to suggest: but hey, it's a lot more fun staying positive and presuming the best. We were going nuts a few months ago when we were adamant the film was called 'Shatterhand' (I didn't mind it too much) and look how wrong we were!
I was a teenager when it was announced Craig was the new Bond and I'm ashamed to say when I found out Brosnan was over I thought the world had ended: purely because Craig didn't fit the image I'd made in my head of what Bond should be. I was thankfully extremely wrong and pleasantly surprised that DC gave the franchise new life for me, I really think we will be in for a treat for B25.
It really, really is.
Craig looks good there. When was this taken?
I like where this is going. Bond and Wade can share their respective knowledge of Hoes.
I think you’re overthinking things, there. I wouldn’t want two white male 007’s in the same film either. The idea that white males in general shudder at the notion of women or minorities holding power is the biggest myth on the planet. It’s simply not true outside a tiny minority of idiots, but pushed as if it’s the norm.
Which is all very well and good, and I'm sure Lynch was the best person for the part and will do a great job. But unless they auditioned both genders from all races for the part (which they didn't), her being a black woman is besides the point - unless it's actually relevant to the story.
If Nomi was being played by a white actress, it would still be a gimmick. If it were a black male, it would still be a gimmick. If it were a white male, it would still be a gimmick. And it's the gimmick that people rightly/wrongly have an issue with. I'm personally fine with it and think it'll add something different to the film.
However, this is the problem with putting a political/social filter on these types of developments.....sometimes you end up looking at things that aren't there.
Which is why your statements regarding people's reluctance to let go of a symbol of "white masculinity and strength" might not be the wisest.
It’s pushed because it’s the easiest way to dismiss any complaints and silence the complainers. Someone doesn’t like something we did a bad job on? Well, they’re just [BadThing]. Disney pulled it after The Last Jedi, and people will push it in this case if this turns out to be true.
Probably a terrible idea so awaiting it being ultimately picked apart, but I think it'd be a neat way to tie it in with the original franchise while giving CJF a sandbox to play in with all his dark themes!
(APOLOGIES for double post but seemed silly to do them both as one as they're both on different topics!)
Spot on, Sir.
Going off topic from the "white masculinity" discussion a bit here (as I don't have anything to add); I've been thinking that Lynch being a black woman might mean that her character has Jamaican/Caribbean heritage? Has anything been written about Nomi's background?
Once again, there's no way that Bond 25 is the end of James Bond, that next time the emphasis will be on "007", with Nomi being the lead. It's about as significant to the character than when Fleming himself made him move to being 7777 for the time of a novel. Next time, Fleming didn't write a novel about the new 007 either.
Lynch is of Jamaican heritage, too. Nothing yet about Nomi's background, so I guess we'll have to see.
@HildebrandRarity Giving Bond the temporary designation 7777 would be a nice little Easter egg, I think.
That's your opinion. (Note that I did not say "opinion.")
My opinion is that, no matter what his or her political views, anyone who is on a James Bond forum nine months prior to the release of B25 is going to see B25 in the theater, regardless of whom Lynch plays or whom 007 is.
I don't think so. Remember that the 007 logo was displayed prominently when the film was announced, for instance on Twitter (where the account is @007). This weekend, the logo is still painted on the Formula 1 car. If they intended to have a film and a mission in which James Bond is never 007, even if there's some secrecy at work, they would have asked promo to downplay everything involving 007 for this one. Otherwise, people would get confused.
Probably today at the British GP