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All good points...
That goes without saying. I'm not really sure why you felt my comment was the one to reply to with that.
That happened in SPECTRE with the DB10 going to 009.
Thanks, didn't know that. :-)
I think it's immensely difficult to ignore politics in the Bond films. Especially since Craig took over.
For example, I watched CR with a family member and they were under the impression that Carlos was Middle Eastern hence why he was hired as a terrorist for a bombing at an airport. I have to confess the actor does look a little Middle Eastern.
Then you have SP which very clearly took place in a post-Edward Snowden world. In 2014/15 the discussion was over "big" government and its capacity to oversee everything and mine data.
So it makes sense that in 2019 the film would address the bigger socio-political movement of MeToo. It's not exactly a negative thing. Surely, it should be embraced.
Well said.
Brexit is far more current ;-)
Do people really want a James Bond film that would be an absurdist comedy from beginning to end?
Wishful thinking, I know ;)
They need to do it cleverly though; if addressed, it must be seamlessly woven into the story, and not feel forced or out of place in any way. They might manage to do it properly.
No. But:
"MI5 chief: Brexit risks UK security"
https://www.bestforbritain.org/brexit-risks-uk-security
Intelligence sharing and access to international databases is far more relevant to a Bond movie, than MeToo, IMO.
It is far easier to ignore than you make it seem, and I say that as someone who has a book titled "The Politics of James Bond" on the shelf in front of me as I type this.
Would anyone unfamiliar with (or even just vaguely aware of) the discussion of "big Government" have picked up on SPs extremely weak riff on that motif? I don't think so. That's because the Bond films aren't "politically driven" films. They're action adventure films, full of fantasy and escapism. They used political landscapes to colour their backdrops, for sure, but rarely did they tackle a political issue head-on, especially not a socially driven movement like MeToo. The films even did a lot of dancing around the notion of the Cold War, during a time (60s, 70s) where most of the world had already decided who was good and who was bad. The only relevant comparisons here really would be the discussion around Dalton's reduced libido in the middle of the AIDS epidemic, or M's appointment in GE.
You yourself said that Lynch may have simply just been picked because she was the best person for the job. You can't have it both ways, it's either political or it isn't. And as you said, it's 2019 and everything is political. But again, I don't think people have taken issue with Lynch specifically; so even if it political, insinuating that certain members take issue with the idea because they're racially sensitive is ridiculous and broad-stroked to the extreme.
For sure, change absolutely should be embraced. And it's great to want to analyse the films in this way. But don't be a dick about it.
Anyway, I'm sure Bond 25 will be great and I'm sure Lynch will be fantastic in it. I'm looking forward to see what she does with the part.
As for Phoebe whatshername, she also says: "I think he's absolutely relevant now. [The franchise] has just got to grow. It has just got to evolve, and the important thing is that the film treats the women properly. He doesn't have to. He needs to be true to his character." Now, if I read into that, it could imply that Bond is going to be played as a bit of a misogynist in B25 and have the alternative 007 show him the error of his ways. I say "could" because I don't know and Phoebe's comment could be taken either way, hence my own reservations. I'll be honest with you, I don't know, but the filmmakers are going to have to convince me as a consumer that this isn't the case.
You see, this is where my own reservations begin. Does B25 need this "gimmick" to make it a good Bond movie? It sounds more like a throwaway sketch from Comic Relief than something that should be used in a Bond film. Some forum members even joked about this being Lashana's opening scene pretty much word-for-word that the Hollywood source claims to be in the script. If this is true, surely the producers knew that something like this would eventually leak out and not stay secret for very long, negating the whole "popcorn-dropping moment" to begin with. Again, I must emphasise I don't know how this will appear in the finished film, but it doesn't sound like the best idea to me.
I can't argue with any of that.
Which brings me back to why Lupita Nyong'o didn't want to be part of a "gimmick" and something that had the potential to be divisive just to create clickbait headlines and promote the movie by making it a talking point. Full props to Lupita Nyong'o for not wanting to be the actress to do that.
I admire you confidence @Univex, but with the current trend of Hollywood blockbusters adopting a lot of wokeness in its narratives, I'm not so sure you'll get a fully satisfying experience, unless you're willing to go along with whatever they tell you to.
The hysteria comes from only 5 Twitter users (so far) that have been posted above that didn't read the article fully, only the headline. Otherwise, I don't see any genuine hysteria. I'm willing to eat humble pie if the movie isn't woke, not that I've come straight out and said that it is, I'm only mildly concerned right now as nothing has been confirmed either way. However, I'm not going to pretend to be enthusiastic for a Bond picture that appears to be making decisions based on gaining approval from JSWs, if that is indeed the direction B25 is heading. The only reason I mentioned about "eating humble pie" is that I know from past experience, everything is wonderful and hunky dory, right up to the point the movie has been completed, and then the vitriol begins. Those that were the movie's biggest defenders suddenly become its biggest detractors. I would be lying if I said I like the premise of there being another 007 in the same movie other than James Bond having that prefix. For me, it's not a premise I care for, and I would've said the same thing had Lily James been cast as well.
@bondsum, all I can say is that we're on the exact same page about everything. The difference being, I'm trying to be positive about it all. But I admit that, sometimes, I see myself trying to hard ;)
Exactly the point I was trying to make.
And I can relate to that as you've been mirroring my own feelings throughout these pages. Bond 25 can be a helluva film, but I'm certain it won't be the Bond film I've been longing for years. And that's down to the type of circumstance given by time and space. I could say the exact same thing about the entire world and the whole of the human race. Honestly, negativity is realism nowadays. And anything else, positivism, for instance, is somewhat counter current. Yes, that's it, realism is counter-current. Lucidity is a rare commodity these days. I'm glad we share it, my friend. I'm not afraid for this last film of this particular era. I'm deeply afraid for Bond26. Deeply.
What did I miss?
They don't seem to understand that James Bond and 007 are not mutual exclusive ;)
They tend not to read stories before they comment on them. Same goes for Facebook, which is like a live-wire today.
+1000
That’s looking for something that isn’t there.
The user loanerbrain does have a fair point:
"They are laying down the ground work so all the SJW's can push for James Bond to be replaced by whoever is not a straight white male."
Afraid, but positive, right?
Overblown.
https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2019/0426/1045790-bond-producer-says-007-will-always-be-male/
And Oberhauser isn’t Blofeld either.
Pull the other leg.
"Barbara Broccoli insisted that 007 will always be male."
Guess the Sun article is fake news, then.
With the amount of tripe they publish would you be surprised...
But she also said that male, yes, white, not so sure. She said the part was open for any actor who would be a good actor in the part. I wish she had said Bond was white and a man, as written by his author, and that there was no need to be ashamed or feel guilty about that, about maintaining the character's depiction as written by its author. And that this shouldn't be considered racist or misogynist, just coherent and respectful. And that all races, cultures and genres deserve characters as strong and representative as James Bond. And that finally there's room in the world to create them.
Now THAT would've been a speech.