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  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    This is from Facebook some guy wrote this wish I could work the image thing. "I have been watching this franchise since the sixties and so has a huge part of the fan base...or the seventies fan base or the eighties fan abse. This is not a new franchise. It has a multi-aged following which sets it apart from other current series. Because of this it is pretty much guaranteed a profitable movie....historically the low money-making bonds have still been wild successes by non Bond standards. OHMSS was still the 8th biggest movie of its year despite less than 1/3 the ticket sales of Thunderball. This move will alienate the bulk of the long term Bond audience. It will be another New Ghostbusters, and truth to tell other than Casino Royale I have been less than happy with Craig's entire run. It has deviated from both the Fleming novels and the historic movie formula far too widely. Every single one of Craig's movies has been a movie about the personal emotional impact on Bond. And more to the case, in the time from the last Brosnan till now we have had four movies; in the same number of years Connery, Moore and Lazenby gave us eleven. But now much like the Diehard movies with Bruce Willis, Craig has creative control, and I feel he is doing what he thinks is good for Craig's career rather than what is good for the Bond franchise. Let us remember that Lazenby also wanted creative control; among other things he felt the soundtracks should have reflected then popular rock music. He later admitted it would have made it easier to get laid. I have no problem with either a female nor a non-white double O agent...the female aspect is as old as Thunderball as one of the assembled OOs in the briefing was a woman, and a non-white double O is a no brainer as there are places that would be so very much easier to infiltrate. BUT not at the cost of James Bond 007. Look at Marvel...they replaced Thor with a woman, they replaced Captain America with a black man and they replaced Ironman with a black teenage girl. All failed. On the other hand, they never replaced Peter Parker....they simply created a black Hispanic second Spiderman which is still going strong alongside Peter Parker. I also think the female Ghostbusters would have done far better had the originals been around at least in the background. The trick I think is if you want diversity then add new characters...do not have the new characters supplant the old ones...and make no mistake the fan following is for James Bond not for Daniel Craig."
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    Yowie, wowie, I've read a lot of people who are not using any logic regarding the "new 007" news, Jesus, this should not be this controversial to any smart Bond fans.

    The only thing people should complain is "Hmm..is Bond being retired a good plot? is this overdone? underdone?" etc

    Complaining about a rumour which will eventually lead to some BS "007 goes on a mission dies in first 5 minutes forcing M to say "eh, this is the 10th 007 I've lost in the last year time to call back Bond" means you are getting played.


  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    dragonsky wrote: »
    Yowie, wowie, I've read a lot of people who are not using any logic regarding the "new 007" news, Jesus, this should not be this controversial to any smart Bond fans.

    The only thing people should complain is "Hmm..is Bond being retired a good plot? is this overdone? underdone?" etc

    Complaining about a rumour which will eventually lead to some BS "007 goes on a mission dies in first 5 minutes forcing M to say "eh, this is the 10th 007 I've lost in the last year time to call back Bond" means you are getting played.


    Hasn't he only had one 007 and that would be Bond.
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    Also screw the SJWs with their "Oh? You want Bond to be a white male? You must be [name calling]

    I also want James Bond and Blofeld not to be brothers, does that mean that I am against brotherly love? Maybe I support China's one child policy because of that?

    Jesus, I've read so many stupid comments on both side this day, and I really hope the people I've read were not actually "hardcore" fans but just some casual fans OR maybe not even fans, but people who came to push their politics (of both sides)
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    dragonsky wrote: »
    Also screw the SJWs with their "Oh? You want Bond to be a white male? You must be [name calling]

    I also want James Bond and Blofeld not to be brothers, does that mean that I am against brotherly love? Maybe I support China's one child policy because of that?

    Jesus, I've read so many stupid comments on both side this day, and I really hope the people I've read were not actually "hardcore" fans but just some casual fans OR maybe not even fans, but people who came to push their politics (of both sides)

    @dragonsky I just wish 007/James Bond wasn't in politics between conservatives and liberals at all and stay far away that's why its last so long it stayed neutral.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited July 2019 Posts: 10,591
    Uhh ok, moving on a bit...

    I've been thinking about the whole Madeleine flashback idea. Wouldn't Blofeld have been present during this sequence? He implies he was there during his introduction to Bond and Swann in SP. If that's the case, what happens to his character? Surely he can't be the man chasing Swann on the lake?
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    Why I wake up and see 10 pages of Lashana/007 and hundred or article in internet? Why now? I mean it's been FOUR MONTHS that we already know that Lashana carracter is the new 007 since th Mail published an article about it in april (and their new article add almost nothing new to it)and we see her on photo in Jamaica in may. So why everybody seems surprised, like if they learned something new ?
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    Look at the Bond Facebook page lots of mad comments one guy said this "My son is an Associate Producer at a major studio in Hollywood and he can not believe the direction the industry is going! He fights all the social messaging in films arguing for entertainment instead. He is about done beating his head against the wall!!!"
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    Someone wrote this "You should take a look at the Star Wars fandom... It's been a war zone for the last year and a half. The last Star Wars film to come out lost something like $80 million... Now they're desperate to win their fans back. It's really sad to see... Do you see these attacks in your comments sections? Better get used to that. Personally I'd say that the movie might even be good, and will even give it a chance... But if you actually had any faith in your film, you wouldn't have allowed this to happen. The Bond movies have a long history of strong female characters. This isn't about that. This is about creating fake controversy so that media will pay more attention to your film. You've played your hand. Bond 25 will be bland and forgettable. If it was any good, it would have been allowed to stand on it's own without this fake controversy."
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    Will be very amusing after this uproar that it turns out she is 009 or some other number!!!
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    Posts: 1,165
    @007Blofeld, take a breather.
  • 268 days and 30 minutes until the release date folks. Bond 25 is a comin. By end of the week we will have some more behind the scenes shots or footage to talk about. :)
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    007Blofeld wrote: »
    dragonsky wrote: »
    Also screw the SJWs with their "Oh? You want Bond to be a white male? You must be [name calling]

    I also want James Bond and Blofeld not to be brothers, does that mean that I am against brotherly love? Maybe I support China's one child policy because of that?

    Jesus, I've read so many stupid comments on both side this day, and I really hope the people I've read were not actually "hardcore" fans but just some casual fans OR maybe not even fans, but people who came to push their politics (of both sides)

    @dragonsky I just wish 007/James Bond wasn't in politics between conservatives and liberals at all and stay far away that's why its last so long it stayed neutral.
    I get you :(

    100% agreed


    Btw on a movie related note...

    After the debacle that is SPECTRE...and the fact that this is a continuation of the movie...

    I have no idea how this movie can be a great Bond movie without distancing itself from that movie.

    The fact that Swann is back, Bond is retired and Waltz will be part of it as Brother Blofeld..... yeah..

    I hope this movie does it best to distsance from SPECTRE and the movie moves on to being it's own thing in the first 20 minutes.

    No matter who's the next Bond I hope they at least try the "Moore route" and do more stand alone missions.

    Sort of like Mission Impossible I guess.

    And..I know it is too early for that but...who's with me for an old Bond?

    I know they are trying it with Craig but I mean like..idk, proper old Bond. Actor who looks 55+. Mission heavy movie instead of an action heavy movie. Something like Goldfinger for example
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    Minion wrote: »
    @007Blofeld, take a breather.

    @Minion can you give me oxygen tank I could use one.
  • NeverOnTheFirmsTimeNeverOnTheFirmsTime A plane tree'd square off the Kings Road
    edited July 2019 Posts: 34
    My two penny's worth is this: Bruce Wayne is Batman. At various times in his history Bruce Wayne has been 'awol'. Dick Grayson (among others) has stepped in and TEMPORARILY taken on the mantle of Batman..... but Bruce Wayne has always returned to reclaim that mantle. Other (admittedly comic book) creations have done the same thing - Judge Dredd being but one example. But the point remains that these are transitory changes. So 007 is, for a brief period, another character - so what? We all know that James Bond is 007 (the movies' marketing campaigns over the last 59 years have made this explicit), and by the end of B25 we will return to the status quo (with the producers having cleverly negated the constant chatter about having a black and/or female '007') 👌
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,546
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    dragonsky wrote: »
    Yowie, wowie, I've read a lot of people who are not using any logic regarding the "new 007" news, Jesus, this should not be this controversial to any smart Bond fans.

    The only thing people should complain is "Hmm..is Bond being retired a good plot? is this overdone? underdone?" etc

    Complaining about a rumour which will eventually lead to some BS "007 goes on a mission dies in first 5 minutes forcing M to say "eh, this is the 10th 007 I've lost in the last year time to call back Bond" means you are getting played.


    Hasn't he only had one 007 and that would be Bond.

    No, in Forever and a Day Bond adopts 007 from a dead agent. I like to think FAAD and TM are quite canonical.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    dragonsky wrote: »
    Yowie, wowie, I've read a lot of people who are not using any logic regarding the "new 007" news, Jesus, this should not be this controversial to any smart Bond fans.

    The only thing people should complain is "Hmm..is Bond being retired a good plot? is this overdone? underdone?" etc

    Complaining about a rumour which will eventually lead to some BS "007 goes on a mission dies in first 5 minutes forcing M to say "eh, this is the 10th 007 I've lost in the last year time to call back Bond" means you are getting played.


    Hasn't he only had one 007 and that would be Bond.

    No, in Forever and a Day Bond adopts 007 from a dead agent. I like to think FAAD and TM are quite canonical.

    That isn't Fleming though that wrote that but I don't know I just hope it's all a rumor.
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    007Blofeld wrote: »
    dragonsky wrote: »
    Yowie, wowie, I've read a lot of people who are not using any logic regarding the "new 007" news, Jesus, this should not be this controversial to any smart Bond fans.

    The only thing people should complain is "Hmm..is Bond being retired a good plot? is this overdone? underdone?" etc

    Complaining about a rumour which will eventually lead to some BS "007 goes on a mission dies in first 5 minutes forcing M to say "eh, this is the 10th 007 I've lost in the last year time to call back Bond" means you are getting played.


    Hasn't he only had one 007 and that would be Bond.

    No, in Forever and a Day Bond adopts 007 from a dead agent. I like to think FAAD and TM are quite canonical.

    Like many here, I'm utterly bewildered by the backlash from some members who can't get to grips with Mi6 giving the 007 number to an active agent when Bond is inactive, and, it seems, when Bond 25 begins he has been retired for several years. It makes perfect sense for the 007 code to be passed on, and, in terms of the storytelling and characters, this move also offers so much playful drama, which is why I believe Craig wanted PWB to step in and bring more wit and a strong female voice to the screenplay. If the new agent was simply 008 or 009, then there would be no issue for Bond (or some of the members on this forum), but the fact that the agent has "his" number must prick Bond's ego, and that offers plenty of opportunities for drama (perhaps questions about how Bond perceives his own identity etc.) and humour for a writer like PWB.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    dragonsky wrote: »
    Yowie, wowie, I've read a lot of people who are not using any logic regarding the "new 007" news, Jesus, this should not be this controversial to any smart Bond fans.

    The only thing people should complain is "Hmm..is Bond being retired a good plot? is this overdone? underdone?" etc

    Complaining about a rumour which will eventually lead to some BS "007 goes on a mission dies in first 5 minutes forcing M to say "eh, this is the 10th 007 I've lost in the last year time to call back Bond" means you are getting played.


    Hasn't he only had one 007 and that would be Bond.

    No, in Forever and a Day Bond adopts 007 from a dead agent. I like to think FAAD and TM are quite canonical.

    Like many here, I'm utterly bewildered by the backlash from some members who can't get to grips with Mi6 giving the 007 number to an active agent when Bond is inactive, and, it seems, when Bond 25 begins he has been retired for several years. It makes perfect sense for the 007 code to be passed on, and, in terms of the storytelling and characters, this move also offers so much playful drama, which is why I believe Craig wanted PWB to step in and bring more wit and a strong female voice to the screenplay. If the new agent was simply 008 or 009, then there would be no issue for Bond (or some of the members on this forum), but the fact that the agent has "his" number must prick Bond's ego, and that offers plenty of opportunities for drama (perhaps questions about how Bond perceives his own identity etc.) and humour for a writer like PWB.

    All it is making Bond a side piece in his own film for a political movement.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,392
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    dragonsky wrote: »
    Yowie, wowie, I've read a lot of people who are not using any logic regarding the "new 007" news, Jesus, this should not be this controversial to any smart Bond fans.

    The only thing people should complain is "Hmm..is Bond being retired a good plot? is this overdone? underdone?" etc

    Complaining about a rumour which will eventually lead to some BS "007 goes on a mission dies in first 5 minutes forcing M to say "eh, this is the 10th 007 I've lost in the last year time to call back Bond" means you are getting played.


    Hasn't he only had one 007 and that would be Bond.

    No, in Forever and a Day Bond adopts 007 from a dead agent. I like to think FAAD and TM are quite canonical.

    Like many here, I'm utterly bewildered by the backlash from some members who can't get to grips with Mi6 giving the 007 number to an active agent when Bond is inactive, and, it seems, when Bond 25 begins he has been retired for several years. It makes perfect sense for the 007 code to be passed on, and, in terms of the storytelling and characters, this move also offers so much playful drama, which is why I believe Craig wanted PWB to step in and bring more wit and a strong female voice to the screenplay. If the new agent was simply 008 or 009, then there would be no issue for Bond (or some of the members on this forum), but the fact that the agent has "his" number must prick Bond's ego, and that offers plenty of opportunities for drama (perhaps questions about how Bond perceives his own identity etc.) and humour for a writer like PWB.

    All it is making Bond a side piece in his own film for a political movement.

    Yes.
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    007Blofeld wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    dragonsky wrote: »
    Yowie, wowie, I've read a lot of people who are not using any logic regarding the "new 007" news, Jesus, this should not be this controversial to any smart Bond fans.

    The only thing people should complain is "Hmm..is Bond being retired a good plot? is this overdone? underdone?" etc

    Complaining about a rumour which will eventually lead to some BS "007 goes on a mission dies in first 5 minutes forcing M to say "eh, this is the 10th 007 I've lost in the last year time to call back Bond" means you are getting played.


    Hasn't he only had one 007 and that would be Bond.

    No, in Forever and a Day Bond adopts 007 from a dead agent. I like to think FAAD and TM are quite canonical.

    Like many here, I'm utterly bewildered by the backlash from some members who can't get to grips with Mi6 giving the 007 number to an active agent when Bond is inactive, and, it seems, when Bond 25 begins he has been retired for several years. It makes perfect sense for the 007 code to be passed on, and, in terms of the storytelling and characters, this move also offers so much playful drama, which is why I believe Craig wanted PWB to step in and bring more wit and a strong female voice to the screenplay. If the new agent was simply 008 or 009, then there would be no issue for Bond (or some of the members on this forum), but the fact that the agent has "his" number must prick Bond's ego, and that offers plenty of opportunities for drama (perhaps questions about how Bond perceives his own identity etc.) and humour for a writer like PWB.

    All it is making Bond a side piece in his own film for a political movement.

    Nonsense.

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    boldfinger wrote: »
    I only want Vesper to appear in a dream sequence, if Jack Wade will randomly pop up to deliver a cheeky "She's dead, Jimbo" line. Either that or, "For gods sake, Jimbo, i'm a retired CIA agent, not an medium". Either one will do.
    Aah very good ones, @MajorDSmythe! I´m on board with any of them. It´s a crime Jack Wade didn´t appear in every Bond film since GE. I would have loved to learn more About Jack´s gardening.

    I like where this is going. Bond and Wade can share their respective knowledge of Hoes.
    Baker and Craig, that would be such an Epic verbal shoot-out.

  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    dragonsky wrote: »
    Yowie, wowie, I've read a lot of people who are not using any logic regarding the "new 007" news, Jesus, this should not be this controversial to any smart Bond fans.

    The only thing people should complain is "Hmm..is Bond being retired a good plot? is this overdone? underdone?" etc

    Complaining about a rumour which will eventually lead to some BS "007 goes on a mission dies in first 5 minutes forcing M to say "eh, this is the 10th 007 I've lost in the last year time to call back Bond" means you are getting played.


    Hasn't he only had one 007 and that would be Bond.

    No, in Forever and a Day Bond adopts 007 from a dead agent. I like to think FAAD and TM are quite canonical.

    Like many here, I'm utterly bewildered by the backlash from some members who can't get to grips with Mi6 giving the 007 number to an active agent when Bond is inactive, and, it seems, when Bond 25 begins he has been retired for several years. It makes perfect sense for the 007 code to be passed on, and, in terms of the storytelling and characters, this move also offers so much playful drama, which is why I believe Craig wanted PWB to step in and bring more wit and a strong female voice to the screenplay. If the new agent was simply 008 or 009, then there would be no issue for Bond (or some of the members on this forum), but the fact that the agent has "his" number must prick Bond's ego, and that offers plenty of opportunities for drama (perhaps questions about how Bond perceives his own identity etc.) and humour for a writer like PWB.

    All it is making Bond a side piece in his own film for a political movement.

    Nonsense.

    Utterly nonsense.

    And this is the ultimate proof that these strong negative opinions regarding Lynch taking the codename - without knowing nothing at all about how they will handle this twist and who will be 007 by the end of the film - are not just driven by preferences, like someone said it before, but by PREJUDICE.
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    dragonsky wrote: »
    Also screw the SJWs with their "Oh? You want Bond to be a white male? You must be [name calling]

    I also want James Bond and Blofeld not to be brothers, does that mean that I am against brotherly love? Maybe I support China's one child policy because of that?

    Jesus, I've read so many stupid comments on both side this day, and I really hope the people I've read were not actually "hardcore" fans but just some casual fans OR maybe not even fans, but people who came to push their politics (of both sides)

    There are no SJW asking for any of this. It’s all the media trying to trigger people like yourself so you click on their links and buy their output.

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    Bond wrote: »
    vzok wrote: »
    Bond wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    It also incontrovertibly puts to bed the codename theory. 007 is a number that can be assigned to anyone but James Bond is not a code name.
    Well technically all it does is decouple 007 from James Bond, it doesn't mean James Bond isn't still a codename. It's a pretty generic name after all, and you still have to account for how 6 different actors have portrayed the identically-named person spanning the 1960s to the 2020s.

    They are actors playing a part in a movie.

    So we just ignore the timeline issue? The Bond living in 1962 and surrounded by its signifying elements is the same person as the Bond living in 2020?

    I’ve never even thought there is a timeline issue. They are just actors playing a part in a movie. Lots of other films have done a change of actor before Bond - Sherlock Holmes, Batman, Julius Caesar - all played by different actors at different times with no codename theory. In any case, Daniel Craig started a new timeline in Bond, so it does not run 1962 to 2020.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    jake24 wrote: »

    I've been thinking about the whole Madeleine flashback idea. Wouldn't Blofeld have been present during this sequence? He implies he was there during his introduction to Bond and Swann in SP. If that's the case, what happens to his character? Surely he can't be the man chasing Swann on the lake?

    He never implied that in the meteorite scene. He just said he came to visit a colleague at his place. I don't see any correlation between this and all the "I hate guns" story. Blofeld never wanted Mr. White killed until Bond started to interfere with his business driving Blofeld's actions crazier than before, so approximately sometime in-between QoS and SP. It was never implied that Blofeld wanted White killed by the time Madeleine was a kid.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    dragonsky wrote: »
    Yowie, wowie, I've read a lot of people who are not using any logic regarding the "new 007" news, Jesus, this should not be this controversial to any smart Bond fans.

    The only thing people should complain is "Hmm..is Bond being retired a good plot? is this overdone? underdone?" etc

    Complaining about a rumour which will eventually lead to some BS "007 goes on a mission dies in first 5 minutes forcing M to say "eh, this is the 10th 007 I've lost in the last year time to call back Bond" means you are getting played.


    Hasn't he only had one 007 and that would be Bond.

    No, in Forever and a Day Bond adopts 007 from a dead agent. I like to think FAAD and TM are quite canonical.

    Like many here, I'm utterly bewildered by the backlash from some members who can't get to grips with Mi6 giving the 007 number to an active agent when Bond is inactive, and, it seems, when Bond 25 begins he has been retired for several years. It makes perfect sense for the 007 code to be passed on, and, in terms of the storytelling and characters, this move also offers so much playful drama, which is why I believe Craig wanted PWB to step in and bring more wit and a strong female voice to the screenplay. If the new agent was simply 008 or 009, then there would be no issue for Bond (or some of the members on this forum), but the fact that the agent has "his" number must prick Bond's ego, and that offers plenty of opportunities for drama (perhaps questions about how Bond perceives his own identity etc.) and humour for a writer like PWB.

    All it is making Bond a side piece in his own film for a political movement.

    Nonsense.

    @ColonelSun your opinion.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited July 2019 Posts: 3,126
    matt_u wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    dragonsky wrote: »
    Yowie, wowie, I've read a lot of people who are not using any logic regarding the "new 007" news, Jesus, this should not be this controversial to any smart Bond fans.

    The only thing people should complain is "Hmm..is Bond being retired a good plot? is this overdone? underdone?" etc

    Complaining about a rumour which will eventually lead to some BS "007 goes on a mission dies in first 5 minutes forcing M to say "eh, this is the 10th 007 I've lost in the last year time to call back Bond" means you are getting played.


    Hasn't he only had one 007 and that would be Bond.

    No, in Forever and a Day Bond adopts 007 from a dead agent. I like to think FAAD and TM are quite canonical.

    Like many here, I'm utterly bewildered by the backlash from some members who can't get to grips with Mi6 giving the 007 number to an active agent when Bond is inactive, and, it seems, when Bond 25 begins he has been retired for several years. It makes perfect sense for the 007 code to be passed on, and, in terms of the storytelling and characters, this move also offers so much playful drama, which is why I believe Craig wanted PWB to step in and bring more wit and a strong female voice to the screenplay. If the new agent was simply 008 or 009, then there would be no issue for Bond (or some of the members on this forum), but the fact that the agent has "his" number must prick Bond's ego, and that offers plenty of opportunities for drama (perhaps questions about how Bond perceives his own identity etc.) and humour for a writer like PWB.

    All it is making Bond a side piece in his own film for a political movement.

    Nonsense.

    Utterly nonsense.

    And this is the ultimate proof that these strong negative opinions regarding Lynch taking the codename - without knowing nothing at all about how they will handle this twist and who will be 007 by the end of the film - are not just driven by preferences, like someone said it before, but by PREJUDICE.

    So we are racist and sexist for having a different opinion interesting. You know Bond has always had strong women watch the climax of octopussy those women warriors kick butt pretty good or the karate girls in Golden Gun.
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    I'm unsure if the actress, Nicola Thorp, is working on Bond 25 or is a friend of Lynch's but she posted this on Twitter:





    Nicola Thorp was on set at Pinewood Studios with Lashana in June 2019
    Nicola Thorp is not the only one to act as if she wants to empower women but uses comments that Sound more anti-male than pro-female. That´s why I don´t like this female 007 idea per se. Of Course it all depends totally on how it is handled in the film, and it is well possible that Fukunaga makes something subtle and entertaining out of it.
    But widening the chasm between men and women isn´t going to empower either of them. What we need to empower women is to acknowledge the differences and work with one another. I don´t see this approach in anything concerning this female 007 rumours. Ok, so a female gets the 007 moniker, hurrah, what a Statement. But then she´ll get rid of it again, doesn´t she? So why is that? Is she after all a woman and not strong enough to carry that number, or what? I find it hard to see much sense here.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited July 2019 Posts: 4,343
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    dragonsky wrote: »
    Yowie, wowie, I've read a lot of people who are not using any logic regarding the "new 007" news, Jesus, this should not be this controversial to any smart Bond fans.

    The only thing people should complain is "Hmm..is Bond being retired a good plot? is this overdone? underdone?" etc

    Complaining about a rumour which will eventually lead to some BS "007 goes on a mission dies in first 5 minutes forcing M to say "eh, this is the 10th 007 I've lost in the last year time to call back Bond" means you are getting played.


    Hasn't he only had one 007 and that would be Bond.

    No, in Forever and a Day Bond adopts 007 from a dead agent. I like to think FAAD and TM are quite canonical.

    Like many here, I'm utterly bewildered by the backlash from some members who can't get to grips with Mi6 giving the 007 number to an active agent when Bond is inactive, and, it seems, when Bond 25 begins he has been retired for several years. It makes perfect sense for the 007 code to be passed on, and, in terms of the storytelling and characters, this move also offers so much playful drama, which is why I believe Craig wanted PWB to step in and bring more wit and a strong female voice to the screenplay. If the new agent was simply 008 or 009, then there would be no issue for Bond (or some of the members on this forum), but the fact that the agent has "his" number must prick Bond's ego, and that offers plenty of opportunities for drama (perhaps questions about how Bond perceives his own identity etc.) and humour for a writer like PWB.

    All it is making Bond a side piece in his own film for a political movement.

    Nonsense.

    Utterly nonsense.

    And this is the ultimate proof that these strong negative opinions regarding Lynch taking the codename - without knowing nothing at all about how they will handle this twist and who will be 007 by the end of the film - are not just driven by preferences, like someone said it before, but by PREJUDICE.

    So we are racist and sexist for having a different opinion interesting.

    Prejudice can be driven my many things. Sometimes yes, can be driven by latent racism or sexism. But inhere the prejudice against this premise - a narrative twist completely new to the Bond world - is driven just by fear of change and mind-closeness. In the end the only thing that matters is the story. We just have to wait and see, but as Colonel said there's plenty of space for a lot of explosive narrative potential.
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