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Does that mean we are getting bond less PTS?
Would be the first time since The Man with the Golden Gun, albeit with a visually shaking Bond 'mannequin'.
I’m fine with that. Sets the film up and establishes the villain/plot.
IMDB is listed by folks like you and me though: you know it's untrustworthy. And the woman said she was playing the girl on the lake? Did she actually say she was Madeline as well, in those words?
Anything's possible but I'm not seeing confirmation here.
Exactly: it is most certainly not "110% Malek and young Swann in the opening and it’s definitely confirmed."
I feel like the idea of it being flashback came from when folks saw the photos of filming initially and then everything since has been adjusted to fit with that in a sort of confirmation bias. It seems less likely that he cannot age than it not being a flashback, no? Both are possible, but one is more likely than the other.
How wonderful gentle your warning is:-). Don't you think that some wordings like "pissing on someone's grandkids" is perhaps more offensive than certain pre-listed words from the 'from the moderator manual'? And not just that, but also how such wordings are used in particular contexts?
I think the Norway scenes are simply just set 20 or so years in the past, the late '90's, just like the GE pre-title was 9 years before events in the rest of the film. Therefore Norway is not a flashback, just set earlier. And, because this is set in the past, that's why Norway starts the film, and then we catch up with post SP with Bond and Madeleine in Matera. Whether or not ALL of this is pre-title is yet to be revealed. If it is, it means we have a long, 20 min + pre-title (and we've heard rumours that the pre-title will be long.) After the titles, we are in the present where we find Bond living alone in Jamaica. To me, that makes logical and dramatic sense. The 2 pre-title sequences are both set in the past, one 20 + years ago, the second one 4-5 years back, and then after the titles, we are up to the present. Nice and clean.
"We went to the moon in 1969" doesn't necessarily mean that both you and I were there :-) He could be speaking on behalf of the production team.
Yeah don't get me wrong I don't think all the pre titles need a big action scene (OP should have opened with the clown chase), but I think since there's going to be a timeskip between Matera and Jamaica, it makes sense to use the titles as a break. Open in Norway, then go to Matera, then titles. Sounds good to me.
Scary thought: what if they use the gunbarrel as a break between Norway and Matera? So cold open in Norway, gunbarrel, Matera, titles, Jamaica. Obviously the GB should be at the start but I wouldn't put anything past them at this point, I can definitely see someone at EON thinking that'd be a good idea.
I honestly believe Cary will take the straightest path (I know I would in his shoes, if I was ever so lucky), so GB, Norway, Matera (both set in the past), Titles, Jamaica in the here and now. Just good clean storytelling - no gimmicks that may confuse the storytelling for no good reason.
Prague = Norway
Title Sequence
Madagascar = Matera
But who knows? The clapperboards suggest otherwise but we’ll see.
Really?
Gert please don't tell me how I should handle a situation.
Does this have anything to do with you? No.
Not everything is black and white old fellow.
Section 26 paragraph 5, that information is on a need to know basis. Sure you understand. ;)
As I say, because Norway is (very likely) set in the past (20 + years), it follows Matera is post SP (4-5 years in the past), so the cleanest way to play this is to have both the past set sequences (Norway and Matera) happen as pre-title, (this also directly links young Madeleine - in Norway - to the older Madeleine with Bond in Matera, a good transition,) and then the Titles are a neat segue to the present. That's just clear and clean storytelling, and I'm betting that's the way it will unfold.
I always love how the novel of OHMSS is full of flashbacks and all sorts of playing around with time as Fleming liked to do (especially at the opening of his novels) but the film dispenses with all that, but keeps the scenes in the same order! :) Much less fuss and it still works.
Complete tangent, but if your agent turned up dead in Germany dressed as clown, where would you send your man to investigate? The nearest place to his death in Germany where you might find clown outfits, say a circus? Nah: India of course! :)
Looks like the main villain will have a burnt face.
It's much easier to play with time that way in a novel than it is in a film. Of course many films do use complex flashbacks and structure for dramatic purpose, but the Bond films have always unfolded with linear structures. I don't see Cary messing with that.
Just a little quarrel about something else.
Yeah I guess the spooky Phantom-style mask is Malek's look.
I don't know what he'll do; I can't pretend to know his mind, but the OHMSS thing amuses me because the film shows that none of that flashiness was necessary! :)
@CASINOROYALE is the main source on the Norway frozen lake scene being a flashback: he is sticking to his guns. I am not convinced that that scene is a flashback, especially if it is part of the PTS--as the clapperboards would suggest.
More than likely, the Norway cabin scene is merely the kidnapping of the scientist, and the girl is his daughter. The masked man is Malek's villain. How the girl factors into all of this--whether she escapes or is kidnapped or dies--is anyone's guess.
If the girl is connected to Madeleine at all, then I am still thinking ...
I've read the novel and Fleming's structure is great, but, as I say, the films have been linear, so I stand by my theory and firm belief Cary will follow clean and clear storytelling, following the linear structure of the past films, so GB, Norway, Matera (both set in different periods of the - fairly - recent past, then the Titles, and then Jamaica in the present. An ordered timeline which the audience can easily follow.
Here, the prosthetics is much more likely.
Of course he could. I just shared the quote I found.