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So three car-chases in NTTD?
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If you said woke Bond films i could agree with you to some degree, but not a woke Bond. He's way to cool to be woke, there's no stick up his ass.
Oh, and I would never put 'daily mail' and 'confirms' in the same sentence, but that's just me.
It just had women in it. That’s all.
I liked the immigration thing; that felt like it would wind Trump up which is obviously great, but honestly: to find the concept that a character is a woman to be so challenging is pretty disturbing.
The truth is these films have moved towards a more progressive and modern depiction for years now.
In fact, GE is the most ‘woke’ Bond film – aside from M, Moneypenny and Natayla you even have a female character who has orgasms by killing men and refuses to sleep with Bond. Then you have something like CR where Bond cries and hugs a depressed woman in a shower. Followed by QOS, where he doesn’t even sleep with a Ukrainian supermodel because he’s so sad. SF doesn’t even have a traditional lead Bond girl – instead you get Judi Dench as the female lead!
This whole ‘woke’ conversation has only arisen as a result of the world being unnecessarily cleaved into two. Had any of the last 8 films been released in 2019, they’d face the same criticisms.
Excellent post
Well i certainly agree with that, and yes, the franchise HAS changed, and has subsequently changed aspects of Bond's character as well.
But he STILL remains in some parts the same old guy and has to.
Also Flemings Bond was the antithesis of "woke".
You can selectively point out all the, in your opinion, "woke" moments in the Craig films, but you can also point to all the anti-woke moments in there. (also you forgot to mention the "no armour left" scene).
For every scene of Craig comforting a woman, you can see scenes like him dismissing Vespers death as "the bitch is dead" (obviously pure Fleming). Him using, and consequently killing, Solange for information, and then doing his best to not give a S*** when confronted with it (even though we can see he cares).
He does the same with Severine. At the beginning of Skyfall he's in bed with a turkish beauty but emotionally completely detached.
That's his thing, he is detached, he has to be.
And he's fearless (bordering on suicidal), maybe careless, as seen in his seduction of Lucia Sciarra.
Also i don't like people saying that Bond uses sex to "extract information" or that it's always part of his job. That is a part of it, yes. But in reality he is as much hooked on pussy as on alcohol and adrenaline. It's self medication.
If you take that out of the films, you effectively killed his character and his appeal, because NO ONE will believe you did it for artistic integrity but simply to not feature anything controversial in your movies (as they did in TLD and almost killed the franchise).
Bond is entertainment for warm-blooded heterosexual adults (-Ian Fleming), and it has to keep that quality.
Was he though? I know some of Fleming's writing was racist and sexist. But Bond is a hopeless romantic, often pathetically romantic in the novels.
He even suffers from depression in the later novels - and often has moments of self-reflection and self-doubt where he ponders soulful questions and can barely stand himself.
Hardly, the warm-blooded heterosexual aspirational male figure you're selling.
So it was your intention to back up the argument then! Blimey, you folks don't make much sense :D
Well, I would not consider it a chase in CR. And I can not remember a car chase in SF tbh...
Where did i say he's aspirational? I couldn't have said it because i don't believe he is. Don't compensate lack of knowledge with making stuff up.
I am not tying to sell anything here. I am just trying to be as objective as i can.
In short, Bond is both. He's romantic and a player. He is pretty much exactly like Daniel played him in CR, a guy who is deeply romantic, but he is trying to play cool and tough on the outside, to keep his distance.
In the CR novel he goes into these rants about how clumsy and useless women are, especially in his line of work, and then at the end still falls madly in love with the one woman, who was more than cold to him pretty much all through the novel. He even wants to marry her.
Bond is a romantic at heart, but he is also hurt inside (in the films especially after Vespers death) and so he shuts off emotionally. And basically remains detached after that.
All this can be traced back to Fleming himself, who i have been studying for years.
Fleming was exactly like this himself, thats why it's all over his novels (in my opinion more subconciously than conciously). He was very romantic, but due to an overdominating mother he was totally adverse to relationships, staying a bachelor in his 50's. Even when he had some sort of relationship he cheated on his girlfriends as well as on his wife.
The thought of marriage (at over 50) put a mortal fear into him. But at least that's how he started writing Bond.
"Infuriating Ann, he would drily remark that he wrote it [Casino Royale] to keep his mind off the horrific prospect of a life spent in happy matrimony."
Though he was very good with women, because he went through so many of them in his bachelor lifestyle, and always liked to keep some around. Also he wasn't shy about his history with strippers and hookers, and managed to sneak some of that into his Bond novels as well. And some of that sneaked into the films as well. I can write you a list if you want.
Bond is all of that. He is basically conflicted. Especially when you take into account all the different versions. He doesn't really have a goal with women, or a long term plan. But he sure likes to go through as many as he can. Again, that might be a fantasy to some, but even Daniel was arguing that after 30+ it's becoming a bit pathetic, and it's a lonely lifestyle, which it is.
I would love to talk more deeply about all these themes, and always wanted to open a thread on Bond and Fleming and their sexual history, but i believe this forum is not mature enough for that in all honesty. (sorry)
Anyway, a Bond film that is sexless, is utterly pointless, so there is no worry on my part that NTTD could fall into this trap.
There is definitely a melancholy to his womanizing in Fleming's novels - paraphrasing CR - the lead up to a seduction bored him, then the your place, her place, taciturnity and eventual break up bored him.
He was chasing the car that had Vesper in it. Its a car chase even if it was short lived.
In SF Bond & Money penny were chasing Patrice in Istanbul.
Man do we need some news
This is reassuring. Bond isn't going to change. He'll remain the bastard he is, but he'll still be OUR bastard.
EDIT: All three post now deleted by Land Rover
Reposting video and pics soon..
This is very important.
:x
Also Daniel said around SP or SF that Bond is "stuck in his ways."
He get's him. I am confident they won't water him down.
https://filmstories.co.uk/news/exclusive-how-mgm-kept-the-no-time-to-die-title-hidden/
@00Agent not even Baz?
And yet they decided to reveal it in a very anticlimatic way in August instead of doing it at the Jamaica conference (or whatever it was)?
Yeah, sure. More like they had a list of titles but they couldn't decide on which one they would use so they just registered all of them and eventually chose NTTD.
Hmmm there is a short and a long answer to this.
But nope, i don't care about "Baz".
Also i am not a crack junkie when it comes to NTTD news, i would be perfectly fine with ignoring all tabloids, pretend they don't exist, and just go by whatever is left after that.
I hate his industry and i won't support it. But nobody needs to share my sentiments.
With different writers and a director, it’s possible.