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  • I was playing around in my head on the possible order of scenes and who will appear when. The screentimes of key players can be speculated based on the rough chronology of scenes.

    0-10 min: Norway PTS - Safin, young Madeleine
    10-15 min: Titles
    15-30 min: Italy flashback - Bond, Madeleine, Primo
    30-35 min: Porton Down/London current day - Nomi, Waldo?, Primo?, M?, Moneypenny?
    35-45 min: Jamaica - Bond, Felix, Ash, Nomi
    45-80 min: Cuba - Bond, Nomi, Paloma, Primo, Felix?, Ash?, Safin?
    80-95 min: London - Bond, Nomi, M, Q, Moneypenny, Tanner, Blofeld, Madeleine
    95-130 min: Russia climax - Bond, Nomi, Madeleine, Safin
    130-135 min: London/Jamaica denouement - Bond, M, Madeleine?

    David Dencik (Waldo) also shot scenes in Jamaica.

    Good catch!
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    Walecs wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    I think your right, @Tuck91. Not to draw another Dr. No comparison, but I feel Safin may be a third-act villain. His presence felt, but not seen until nearer to the end. Luckily, based on the length of Craig’s films, that still gives him a solid 40-60 minutes of potential screen time.

    Imagine a Craig film where the third act is the best part.

    Imagine a Bond film where the 3rd act is the best part.

    DN, YOLT, OHMSS, TMWTGG, LTK, and GE are a few that arguably qualify IMO.

    I agree with this list for sure! FYEO maybe as well?

    I stand by my original point of Craig's films specifically not having a third act in sight.

    Only SP failed. CR's third act was culled straight from Fleming; both QoS and SF had satisfactory, isolated, duels with the villain, followed by a reflective denouement. There is little to complain about, as fas as I see.

    I agree that CR, QoS and SF all had strong third acts but admittedly OP was talking about the third act being the best part of the movie. As much as I love all three third acts neither of them is the best part of the movie (for me).

    Exactly I agree with @Getafix on this one. Bond film's usually have better first act than the third.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Bond has left active service. His peace is short-lived when his old friend Felix Leiter from the CIA turns up asking for help, leading Bond onto the trail of a mysterious villain armed with dangerous new technology.
    https://hdmediazone.com/action/no-time-to-die-2020/

    I see they call her NATASHA Lynch. Subliminal message there, read it backwards.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    For Craig’s final acts:

    CR’s is very good, but not better than the first two-thirds of the film. I personally like the action-based change from the novel for the sake of the movie; each ending works for each version. The very last scene is awesome.

    QOS’s is also very good, but I’m not sure if it’s the film’s strongest part or not. QOS is consistently good IMO.

    SF’s probably is my favorite part, but I admit I’m probably in the minority there. I love almost all of SF too.

    SP’s is very weak.
    Yes I think SF’s climax is great too; it really steps up a gear.
  • Does anyone think Safin will be held in custody and pulling the strings from inside prison? A la the Joker in the Dark Knight? There is something to me more chilling about a villain who is more dangerous and confident in prison than outside, and it hasn’t been done before except for in the Heath Ledger Dark Knight.

    Speaking of Ledger, I have a feeling that Malek may nab another Oscar, this time supporting, for his already iconic role as Safin. Just a hunch I have... the clips we’ve seen of him alone, we can see he’s giving what might be the best work by a supporting actor in 2020. Does anyone think Malek might get the Oscar nod? There’s already some Oscar buzz out there for his performance...
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    Does anyone think Safin will be held in custody and pulling the strings from inside prison? A la the Joker in the Dark Knight? There is something to me more chilling about a villain who is more dangerous and confident in prison than outside, and it hasn’t been done before except for in the Heath Ledger Dark Knight.

    Speaking of Ledger, I have a feeling that Malek may nab another Oscar, this time supporting, for his already iconic role as Safin. Just a hunch I have... the clips we’ve seen of him alone, we can see he’s giving what might be the best work by a supporting actor in 2020. Does anyone think Malek might get the Oscar nod? There’s already some Oscar buzz out there for his performance...

    Unlikely, given that Blofeld is already in jail. Safin being captured would be redundant. If anyone will be manipulating things from prison it'll be Blofeld.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Safin being called "chilling" doesn't reassure me somehow. I was/am hoping for a barely contained psycho who does actually lose it at times ... reminiscent perhaps of Benecio's turn in LTK (only smarter). I don't want this villain underplayed too much (and I can hear the bleating of complaints if it is, similar to most people disliking Blofeld in Spectre). I want him to ooze evil and a sick mind, even without dialog. I'm curious as to what he'll do and am looking forward to this film. Cary tends to help actors bring good performances, so I'm hopeful for that reason too.
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    Safin being called "chilling" doesn't reassure me somehow. I was/am hoping for a barely contained psycho who does actually lose it at times ... reminiscent perhaps of Benecio's turn in LTK (only smarter). I don't want this villain underplayed too much (and I can hear the bleating of complaints if it is, similar to most people disliking Blofeld in Spectre). I want him to ooze evil and a sick mind, even without dialog. I'm curious as to what he'll do and am looking forward to this film. Cary tends to help actors bring good performances, so I'm hopeful for that reason too.

    I was hoping for a villain as uncontrolled as Max Zorin, but it looks like this will be something completely different.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited January 2020 Posts: 6,387
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    I think your right, @Tuck91. Not to draw another Dr. No comparison, but I feel Safin may be a third-act villain. His presence felt, but not seen until nearer to the end. Luckily, based on the length of Craig’s films, that still gives him a solid 40-60 minutes of potential screen time.

    Imagine a Craig film where the third act is the best part.

    Imagine a Bond film where the 3rd act is the best part.

    DN, YOLT, OHMSS, TMWTGG, LTK, and GE are a few that arguably qualify IMO.

    I'd argue CR.
    mtm wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    I think your right, @Tuck91. Not to draw another Dr. No comparison, but I feel Safin may be a third-act villain. His presence felt, but not seen until nearer to the end. Luckily, based on the length of Craig’s films, that still gives him a solid 40-60 minutes of potential screen time.

    Imagine a Craig film where the third act is the best part.

    Imagine a Bond film where the 3rd act is the best part.

    DN, YOLT, OHMSS, TMWTGG, LTK, and GE are a few that arguably qualify IMO.

    I agree with this list for sure! FYEO maybe as well?

    I stand by my original point of Craig's films specifically not having a third act in sight.

    Only SP failed. CR's third act was culled straight from Fleming; both QoS and SF had satisfactory, isolated, duels with the villain, followed by a reflective denouement. There is little to complain about, as fas as I see.

    I do remember watching CR for the first time and the sinking house bit starting and thinking ‘we don’t need an action scene here- the plot is actually working better than the producers realise’. I think they lost confidence a bit and thought they needed a Bond action scene because it had been a long time without any action, when the audience actually just wanted to see how Bond would react to Vesper when he found her.
    Skyfall actually feels much more confident on that front: there’s barely any action it and you don’t miss it.

    This is a good point--SF being more confident than CR. But I think Eon was nervous enough about the reboot and the new Bond that they jammed in an action scene--and it wasn't bad, certainly exotic enough for Bond.

    A third act problem is a first act problem. If you look at the best Bond films, they are driven by story, not action. And CR and OHMSS are two of those: you feel the dread as you realize that the filmmakers (and Fleming) are about to pull the rug out from under you.

    This is all the reason more why we need a true MR adaptation--the ending unlike all other Bond stories.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    It looks like everything shifted up from SP. White is dead, Blofeld is now filling the White role, Safin is taking the Blofeld role.

    Good observation, and it is a fitting progress the way things go.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    Safin would work as a Taciturn Villian. Mendes made his villains comic at times & a bit loquacious....only Bardem was able to balance it. Waltz's Blofeld was just too playful. 'I've really put you through it....haven't I?'....that line was just too Comic-like for a would-be serious villian.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    It looks like everything shifted up from SP. White is dead, Blofeld is now filling the White role, Safin is taking the Blofeld role.

    Good observation, and it is a fitting progress the way things go.

    I don’t see that as a positive.
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    It looks like everything shifted up from SP. White is dead, Blofeld is now filling the White role, Safin is taking the Blofeld role.

    Good observation, and it is a fitting progress the way things go.

    I don’t see that as a positive.

    We will have to wait and see how it plays out.
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    Safin being called "chilling" doesn't reassure me somehow. I was/am hoping for a barely contained psycho who does actually lose it at times ... reminiscent perhaps of Benecio's turn in LTK (only smarter). I don't want this villain underplayed too much (and I can hear the bleating of complaints if it is, similar to most people disliking Blofeld in Spectre). I want him to ooze evil and a sick mind, even without dialog. I'm curious as to what he'll do and am looking forward to this film. Cary tends to help actors bring good performances, so I'm hopeful for that reason too.

    I was hoping for a villain as uncontrolled as Max Zorin, but it looks like this will be something completely different.

    Well I'm in the other camp: in general I far prefer controlled and chilling villains than extraverted madmen.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Safin being called "chilling" doesn't reassure me somehow. I was/am hoping for a barely contained psycho who does actually lose it at times ... reminiscent perhaps of Benecio's turn in LTK (only smarter). I don't want this villain underplayed too much (and I can hear the bleating of complaints if it is, similar to most people disliking Blofeld in Spectre). I want him to ooze evil and a sick mind, even without dialog. I'm curious as to what he'll do and am looking forward to this film. Cary tends to help actors bring good performances, so I'm hopeful for that reason too.

    I was hoping for a villain as uncontrolled as Max Zorin, but it looks like this will be something completely different.

    Well I'm in the other camp: in general I far prefer controlled and chilling villains than extraverted madmen.

    For me it's 50/50. For this film I would like the extraverted madman.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Safin being called "chilling" doesn't reassure me somehow. I was/am hoping for a barely contained psycho who does actually lose it at times ... reminiscent perhaps of Benecio's turn in LTK (only smarter). I don't want this villain underplayed too much (and I can hear the bleating of complaints if it is, similar to most people disliking Blofeld in Spectre). I want him to ooze evil and a sick mind, even without dialog. I'm curious as to what he'll do and am looking forward to this film. Cary tends to help actors bring good performances, so I'm hopeful for that reason too.

    I was hoping for a villain as uncontrolled as Max Zorin, but it looks like this will be something completely different.

    Well I'm in the other camp: in general I far prefer controlled and chilling villains than extraverted madmen.

    For me it's 50/50. For this film I would like the extraverted madman.

    Good thing to mix it up a bit.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Safin being called "chilling" doesn't reassure me somehow. I was/am hoping for a barely contained psycho who does actually lose it at times ... reminiscent perhaps of Benecio's turn in LTK (only smarter). I don't want this villain underplayed too much (and I can hear the bleating of complaints if it is, similar to most people disliking Blofeld in Spectre). I want him to ooze evil and a sick mind, even without dialog. I'm curious as to what he'll do and am looking forward to this film. Cary tends to help actors bring good performances, so I'm hopeful for that reason too.

    I was hoping for a villain as uncontrolled as Max Zorin, but it looks like this will be something completely different.

    Well I'm in the other camp: in general I far prefer controlled and chilling villains than extraverted madmen.

    For me it's 50/50. For this film I would like the extraverted madman.

    Good thing to mix it up a bit.

    Indeed.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited January 2020 Posts: 6,387
    I really doubt we'll have a Bond-less PTS. It worked in the '70s when they weren't sure if they could replace Connery, but now that that's been established... Plus, "where is Bond?" is not something you want the audience wondering during the main title song.

    But I could be wrong.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    I don't think you're wrong, @echo. And I definitely want to see Bond front-loaded in the film.

  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited January 2020 Posts: 4,589
    echo wrote: »
    I really doubt we'll have a Bond-less PTS. It worked in the '70s when they weren't sure if they could replace Connery, but now that that's been established... Plus, "where is Bond?" is not something you want the audience wondering during the main title song.

    But I could be wrong.

    Didn't Craig say the film goes to Matera twice?

  • Speaking of Ledger, I have a feeling that Malek may nab another Oscar, this time supporting, for his already iconic role as Safin. Just a hunch I have... the clips we’ve seen of him alone, we can see he’s giving what might be the best work by a supporting actor in 2020. Does anyone think Malek might get the Oscar nod? There’s already some Oscar buzz out there for his performance...

    Uhh.... what?
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    I don't think you're wrong, @echo. And I definitely want to see Bond front-loaded in the film.

    My guess:

    Fade in on the cabin. We begin here, with Safin's "visitation" and then his dramatic chase with the young girl out onto the frozen lake.



    The young girl falls in. As she is drowning, under the ice, struggling...

    Madeleine awakens from a deep sleep, trying to catch her breath. Bond is beside her and tries to console her. It is morning in Matera. They talk, kiss, he caresses her. The dialogue here establishes that Bond has left active duty. She goes out to the balcony of their room...and lights the wish that she then drops below.



    Camera follows the little sheet of paper.

    Crossfade back to the lake...and the man (Safin) fires into the ice, lowers his hand, and pulls her out...

    Title song begins.

  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    The Matera sequence begins with Bond and Swann entering the town with the DB5. They can change things in the editing room but I don’t see them crosscutting those two sequences.
  • RC7RC7
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    CR third act is excellent.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    RC7 wrote: »
    CR third act is excellent.

    Yes it’s pretty good. The only thing I hate is the concept of an entire building sinking in Venice 5 meters deep waters. Too silly, given how grounded the movie is.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited January 2020 Posts: 4,247
    Yeah, it's a Bond film,there have to be atoms of jaw-dropping silliness amidst the seriousness....that's what makes it standout from other action films. E.g Even the Very serious Timothy Dalton used 'A Wolf Whistle' in the Key Ring Finder as a Gadget. Had DAD not taken it too far, maybe Martin Campbell might have directed CR with more technology....maybe the card game might have not been too grounded. And maybe the finale would have been in the Casino itself...like a possible Le chiffre lair under the casino. All these, but still retaining a very Good plot. But of course CR is a great Bond film. Just saying Visual Silliness is a key part of the Bond Franchise. It's just about getting the balance right.
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    GadgetMan wrote: »
    Yeah, it's a Bond film,there have to be atoms of jaw-dropping silliness amidst the seriousness....that's what makes it standout from other action films. E.g Even the Very serious Timothy Dalton used 'A Wolf Whistle' in the Key Ring Finder as a Gadget. Had DAD not taken it too far, maybe Martin Campbell might have directed CR with more technology....maybe the card game might have not been too grounded. And maybe the finale would have been in the Casino itself...like a possible Le chiffre liar under the casino. All these, but still retaining a very Good plot. But of course CR is a great Bond film. Just saying Visual Silliness is a key part of the Bond Franchise. It's just about getting the balance right.

    The fantastical moments help make the series what it is. CR is one of the most grounded films, but we still have the sinking building which while crazy is still spectacular and far from the wildest thing the series has seen. FRWL had the goofy suitcase, QOS had oily Fields. Even the most serious of the films have their quirky, non-realistic moments, and I love it because they always make it so Bond-esque.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited January 2020 Posts: 4,247
    'Le Chiffre's Lair' rather. Yeah, those are what can tell a viewer, he's in a Bond film...even if he doesn't know the new Bond actor yet.i mean which other film, can a Hat be used to cut off the head of a statue. In CR they still had Le Chiffre weeping blood....just to keep up with having a Baddie that will showcase some sort of peculiar trait. Can't wait to see what Safin is all about.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Safin being called "chilling" doesn't reassure me somehow. I was/am hoping for a barely contained psycho who does actually lose it at times ... reminiscent perhaps of Benecio's turn in LTK (only smarter). I don't want this villain underplayed too much (and I can hear the bleating of complaints if it is, similar to most people disliking Blofeld in Spectre). I want him to ooze evil and a sick mind, even without dialog. I'm curious as to what he'll do and am looking forward to this film. Cary tends to help actors bring good performances, so I'm hopeful for that reason too.

    I was hoping for a villain as uncontrolled as Max Zorin, but it looks like this will be something completely different.

    Well I'm in the other camp: in general I far prefer controlled and chilling villains than extraverted madmen.

    For me it's 50/50. For this film I would like the extraverted madman.

    I think controlled villains work better for Craig overall, also I think too often extroverted villains too often turn into untreatening caricatures. Not always, but too often.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Safin being called "chilling" doesn't reassure me somehow. I was/am hoping for a barely contained psycho who does actually lose it at times ... reminiscent perhaps of Benecio's turn in LTK (only smarter). I don't want this villain underplayed too much (and I can hear the bleating of complaints if it is, similar to most people disliking Blofeld in Spectre). I want him to ooze evil and a sick mind, even without dialog. I'm curious as to what he'll do and am looking forward to this film. Cary tends to help actors bring good performances, so I'm hopeful for that reason too.

    I was hoping for a villain as uncontrolled as Max Zorin, but it looks like this will be something completely different.

    Well I'm in the other camp: in general I far prefer controlled and chilling villains than extraverted madmen.

    For me it's 50/50. For this film I would like the extraverted madman.

    I think controlled villains work better for Craig overall, also I think too often extroverted villains too often turn into untreatening caricatures. Not always, but too often.

    Fair point, but it would've been interesting to see a complete madman, IMO.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited January 2020 Posts: 4,043
    To be honest I think Greene really loses it at the climax of the film his caged animal routine is quite scary, he's not the physical type but clearly a psychopath.

    He hints that he killed when he was younger to Camille but as he has rose to a higher level, killing isn't really his thing, telling others to do is bidding, although he seemed to have no conscience of launching Camille off that unstable balcony at the party.

    Silva is quite unhinged and for my money Bardem plays it just right, he is ludicrous and a throwback but it doesn't feel out of place in SF. Though you can tell he is playing it bigger than Mads or Mathieu, I don't think he is understated at all.

    Silva struggles to contain his rage, his entrance is likely to go down as one of the highlights of the series, it is the first time in this era we had a villain with an introduction that was old school Bond.

    Waltz played it so softly that be barely registers at all. Hopefully CW will improve on his reading in SP, although from the trailer he looks better than he was in the whole of the last film.

    I'm intrigued to see how another Oscar winning actor plays it this time round. I think Malek will try to be something different to what has been seen in this era, although like Bardem they'll be echoes of previous adversaries.

    Whereas Mads (he is still my favourite of the era) and Almaric played it low key and didn't seem like old school villains apart from Le Chiffre tear duct quirk, Bardem seemed more aware that he was a Bond villain and didn't mind playing it big.
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