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It doesn’t surprise me too much when I think of it because the novice Bond concept was something he came up with in the mid 80s as a story pitch after Moore retired, and Cubby shot it down at the time. Then by 2005 when time came to finally adapt the first novel MGW revisited the idea and thought it would be perfect to add into the story and that’s the film we got.
Really? I find it hugely under-written: the themes aren't really carried through, the gags are weak, the plot is barely there... the writer's strike really shows in that one.
If it shows there, what happened on SPECTRE? There was no strike there and QOS is nowhere as bad as the nonsense in SP.
It would still needed to have been approved by BB too.
Personally speaking, I prefer SP. It’s not perfect, but at least it’s watchable. QOS is just a series of aggressively bad crash cuts/edits. Just a bunch noise.
@Jordo007 ... I’m very surprised Wade opened his mouth on this. Number one, unless you’re Tarantino (or a similar auteur/writer of that stature), you will have your work re-written. This happens every day on every project in Hollywood (the indie world is a little different, but even then, it happens).
Two, knowing this happens I’m very surprised why he couldn’t (as a member of this team/production), keep quiet about his feelings on a particular writer re-writing his work.
As I told @shardlake, I think this would indicate that he is done with Bond since it’s well known BB likes to keep internal matters behind closed doors. She won’t like one of her team revealing his displeasure in the process (he gets paid very well to be a good soldier).
Yeah, I was surprised when I read about this.
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Yeah, but I guess what has kept BB & MGW this long might be...firstly, they're related & they don't disagree, maybe coz they respect & trust their opinions...compared to Cubby & Harry's Era.
They disagreed on casting in 2006, MGW wanted Cavill and BB wanted Craig. Peter Lamont told me that btw.
I thought it was Martin Campbell who wanted Cavill.
And MGW. I got the impression BB won people round.
Though it's worth noting that this isn't the first time. I can't remember if it was Purvis or Wade who said it, but they were interviewed during the Spectre premiere about the writing process (this was for the official live stream) The question was 'Which things did you write?' or 'What parts of the story did you came up with?'. One of them answered that 'We wrote all the good bits'. Asked what Logan wrote, the answer was 'the rest'.
The reason I remember this is that the tone in which he said it was not jovial or trying to be funny. No, it was calm, muted, serious and sounding quite bitter. And that during the premiere while everyone else was enthusiastic and all smiles!
I totally get from interviews that BB (and MGW too, I assume) likes to keep internal conflict, well, internal. But sometimes people say what they think or what they feel, even when their bosses wouldn't like it.
Yeah, no doubt she was bent on Craig....it's obvious she's Craig's biggest fan....at least they came to an understanding....can't say that often in Cubby & Harry's Era.
Yes, I think that sounds about right.
I recall them complaining about the ending, that they wanted to have Bond walk to the MI6 crew at the end on the bridge but it was Mendes that disagreed and had him walk to Madeleine.
IMO Mendes made the right choice.
There were a few junior Sony executives who had issues with BG but they were ignored; concern at the time was the atrocious third act, the notes that PnW got the most notes on...
If this is what SKOH is now stating, I wonder if this is a directive from EoN to change the narrative; to protect a good soldier for them, Mendes?
I only say this since I don’t remember MGW involved in any discussion during the leaks— although BG was a topic of conversation (and it seemed to come from the mind of Mendes (not Logan, not PnW, and certainly not MGW; interesting that this may be the first anyone has heard of this angle)).
I wouldn't have a clue how these things play out
@MakeshiftPython ahh cool. My girlfriend bought it for my birthday (mainly so I could stop doing her head in about Bond) I've only read the Casino chapter briefly. It looks like a great read
+1.
I, to this day, can't understand this. Just like I don't understand why hundreds of people would show up at SPECTRE's reunion when secrecy is what matters the most in these cases. The Quantum organization was handled much better; their meetings happened with people not even looking at each other and the subordinates didn't even know who they worked with, they just answered to their boss, who answered to someone else in their turn. Reaching the head of Quantum was almost impossible since Bond had to go through all the layers of the organization, whereas with SPECTRE Bond only had to kill one of its members and he immediately reached his boss.
When I get a chance I’ll write down an excerpt from the book. The African warlord stuff was brought up and so was the idea of casting Tilda Swinton as a female Blofeld.
Of course, the usual Bedroom scene from FRWL, for the screentest. Campbell wanted Cavill, maybe coz he felt it was Bond in his juvenile days. So Cavill was a good fit. Even if Cavill was just 22 at the time. It was much later Campbell started warming up to Craig....coz initially he felt Craig wasn't handsome enough. But of course anyone would feel the same....when the last guy was a Pretty Boy. But BB was looking for rugged & Handsome this time....not just pretty.
I've just watched it again for the first time in 3 years and I couldn't agree.
It just feels like a film that no one had any conviction or passion involved in it.
At least QOS had the writers strike as an excuse what was SPECTRE's?
Mendes wanted out of this and it shows.
There may have been something good in SPECTRE but it is drowned out so much by the bad that you hardly notice it.
Easily Craig's worst performance as well, he is fantastic in QOS. Pity about Newman as some of the new cues are fine it is just Mendes and Smith recycling the SF score when it is not necessary.
Foster brothergate, that ring scanning nonsense, also Q giving Bond a gadget when he is suspended and Blofeld turning up to a lackeys funeral, nothing in QOS is this ludicrous.
I agree with you. I don't think Craig has missed a step playing Bond. In SP, he shows a more relaxed side to his Bond, which is what many fans, even on this forum, seemed to want. From the look of NTTD, seems Bond is in for a really rough emotional ride again, and Craig will deliver another fine performance, I have no doubt about that.
+1
Our Friends In The North is on one of my favourite TV dramas of all time and he is a big part of that.
I just don't like the way he plays it here and possibly the injury played into that. It just doesn't ring true as his previous 3, some of his lines and the attempt to make him funny it just doesn't work.
What I have seen of him in NTTD he looks back on top form, re-energised and totally engaged. I can't wait.
I'm sorry watching it again my view on it hasn't changed, because I invested in this era and I was emotionally connected it was the biggest let down for me of time being a Bond fan.
I didn't like the Brosnan era and maybe DAD is much worse but I didn't really engage with it. I did SPECTRE and what I got deeply disappointed me.
I think NTTD will show SPECTRE up for the film it is.
Sorry I hate it and it remains 24 in my rankings.