No Time to Die production thread

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  • edited March 2020 Posts: 4,409
    Totally shocked that Eon took this move and Disney have not with Mulan.

    NTTD is due to get a boost in Asia, but Mulan was meant to be a beast in the region. The film is tracking for $90 million in the USA opening weekend and will postpone its China release. This surely was the best strategy for NTTD as well.....simply delaying the release in some territories.

    I think the decision ultimately came from MGM as they only really have a cash-cow with the Bond franchise. Disney can take the punt and loose out with Mulan and even Black Widow as they have films in Q3 and Q4 to pick up the slack. MGM don't.

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    One has to wonder what impact piracy would have had if they had simply postponed certain regions for whatever amount of time. Anything over a month in a delay, and you'd be taking a hit in those regions.

    Black Widow is the closest comparable to Bond in this situation I think. I'll be very curious to see how that does.

    Is piracy that big a concern? I know its a problem, but will it seriously dent a film's box office that severely? People will still turn up to see a film - especially older folk who don't know how to work computers.

    Is piracy really that widespread in China?
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,217
    Totally shocked that Eon took this move and Disney have not with Mulan.

    NTTD is due to get a boost in Asia, but Mulan was meant to be a beast in the region. The film is tracking for $90 million in the USA opening weekend and will postpone its China release. This surely was the best strategy for NTTD as well.....simply delaying the release in some territories.

    I think the decision ultimately came from MGM as they only really have a cash-cow with the Bond franchise. Disney can take the punt and loose out with Mulan and even Black Widow as they have films in Q3 and Q4 to pick up the slack. MGM don't.

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    One has to wonder what impact piracy would have had if they had simply postponed certain regions for whatever amount of time. Anything over a month in a delay, and you'd be taking a hit in those regions.

    Black Widow is the closest comparable to Bond in this situation I think. I'll be very curious to see how that does.

    Is piracy that big a concern? I know its a problem, but will it seriously dent a film's box office that severely? People will still turn up to see a film - especially older folk who don't know how to work computers.

    Is piracy really that widespread in China?

    It's pretty rampant. Chinese authorities have been working hard to crack down on it over the last while but it's a very difficult thing to tackle. It would have ultimately depended on how long that delay would have been. If you're talking a couple of weeks, it wouldn't have any more of an impact than the week between the UK and US release dates. But anything over a month and I think you would see a difference.

    We'll see how Mulan turns out on this front, but I think Eon made the right call in the end.

    A very interesting predicament, whatever way you look at it!
  • edited March 2020 Posts: 380
    Totally shocked that Eon took this move and Disney have not with Mulan.

    NTTD is due to get a boost in Asia, but Mulan was meant to be a beast in the region. The film is tracking for $90 million in the USA opening weekend and will postpone its China release. This surely was the best strategy for NTTD as well.....simply delaying the release in some territories.

    I think the decision ultimately came from MGM as they only really have a cash-cow with the Bond franchise. Disney can take the punt and loose out with Mulan and even Black Widow as they have films in Q3 and Q4 to pick up the slack. MGM don't.

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    How effective is delaying a release in certain markets if you don’t know when they’ll be open for business and you may not get to reschedule because of pre-slated competition? A delay in China may have been tenable, but China plus the rest of South East Asia, the Middle East and parts of Europe is not.

    Also, Mulan’s tracking in the US is really good now but what if LA or NY close theaters? What if whole states shut down large gatherings?

    EON made the right decision. It was hard but right.

    Also, we’re all assuming that Disney isn’t moving Mulan because they’re staying the course. From what I understand, Disney would be in a litigation/contractual nightmare with theater chains if they pull Mulan at this point.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited March 2020 Posts: 7,551
    Just a suggestion, we could close to NTTD production thread since production is over.
    Also, those stickied threads at the top might as well be deleted for now, except for Billie's theme song.

    I agree on the basis there are too many NTTD threads with the same things being discussed.

    That they've delayed NTTD and not other films such as Mulan, does lead me to believe the decision was more content-based than theatre-closure based... very interesting.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Well put, @Burgess
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
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    I know this won't and probably can't happen, but wouldn't it be amazing if EON, as a little thank you for the fans' patience over the next 7 months, shot a low key short film with Daniel Craig in the role and released it online over the summer. I'm thinking of something like the QoS short story, or 007 in New York. Nothing with action, just Fleming's story on screen, dialogue and good acting etc. Something to soften the blow...

    You're right, this isn't going to happen, but I think it's a very good idea.

    I remember watching a promotional 15 minute film from Marvel with Hayley Atwell. Something similar could be done with Bond, a short film with some low-key action.

    The problem is - Bond retired after the events from SP, and that leaves less room for coming up with an interesting concept. Perhaps doing something with Lynch as Nomi could work.

    Anyway, it's not happening, I'm just thinking out loud.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,413
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    I know NTTD is yet to come out, but I think one thing Eon can do to compensate fans after this 5 hard-waiting years, is to ensure the 7th Bond actor gets a movie out every 2yrs during his tenure.

    That needn't even work as compensation, it's simply what the series should return to. It's not impossible and would earn them much more money at the end of the day (along with making it a shorter wait for those of us who haven't been impressed with the output recently). Two films since 2008 that I haven't cared for is painful.

    Yeah, true. A 2yr gap was what the Bond series was all about & should be. But with the harrowing production process these days, I just couldn't think of any other word than 'Compensate'. Even if it isn't ideal that way. Tough time to be a Bond fan though.

    Indeed. They just need to get back to plotting and writing the next film while the current one is filming.

    Did they really do that? I didn't realise they had time for that.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    It's almost deafening the sound of countless dummies being spat out.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 2020 Posts: 16,413
    Birdleson wrote: »
    How do you think they used to spit them out annually?

    The dummies? :D

    If you mean the movies, I didn't think we were talking about that far back. I suspect it was made easier when they did four in a row in four years by the scripts being fairly closely based on novels which had their plots all worked out for them. Thunderball even started out as a movie script in the first place! :)
    Why do you think You Only Live Twice -the first one not to be an adaptation of the book- took an extra year?
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,217
    I know this won't and probably can't happen, but wouldn't it be amazing if EON, as a little thank you for the fans' patience over the next 7 months, shot a low key short film with Daniel Craig in the role and released it online over the summer. I'm thinking of something like the QoS short story, or 007 in New York. Nothing with action, just Fleming's story on screen, dialogue and good acting etc. Something to soften the blow...

    You're right, this isn't going to happen, but I think it's a very good idea.

    I remember watching a promotional 15 minute film from Marvel with Hayley Atwell. Something similar could be done with Bond, a short film with some low-key action.

    The problem is - Bond retired after the events from SP, and that leaves less room for coming up with an interesting concept. Perhaps doing something with Lynch as Nomi could work.

    Anyway, it's not happening, I'm just thinking out loud.

    Blade Runner 2049 had some cool ones, too.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    If a new actor is selected 2024, Criag will have been in the Bond role 19 years before a changeover.
  • Posts: 3,164
    I know this won't and probably can't happen, but wouldn't it be amazing if EON, as a little thank you for the fans' patience over the next 7 months, shot a low key short film with Daniel Craig in the role and released it online over the summer. I'm thinking of something like the QoS short story, or 007 in New York. Nothing with action, just Fleming's story on screen, dialogue and good acting etc. Something to soften the blow...

    You're right, this isn't going to happen, but I think it's a very good idea.

    I remember watching a promotional 15 minute film from Marvel with Hayley Atwell. Something similar could be done with Bond, a short film with some low-key action.

    The problem is - Bond retired after the events from SP, and that leaves less room for coming up with an interesting concept. Perhaps doing something with Lynch as Nomi could work.

    Anyway, it's not happening, I'm just thinking out loud.

    A 90-second attempt at that from an acclaimed British director is dropping this Sunday ;)

    Also, quick reminder that the Total Film cover story still comes out tomorrow...
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 4,247
    Maybe they can release the 'Being James Bond' documentary about Daniel Craig's time as James Bond. What better time to release it than now. That will surely ease fans' hunger a bit....seeing Craig's screentest for Casino Royale & other rare BTS footages would be a rare silver-lining at this dire time in the life of a Bond fan.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,413
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    Maybe they can release the 'Being James Bond' documentary about Daniel Craig's time as James Bond. What better time to release it than now. That will surely ease fans' hunger a bit....seeing Craig's screentest for Casino Royale & other rare BTS footages would be a rare silver-lining at this dire time in the life of a Bond fan.

    Must say I'm quite keen to see that. There's not been much more information released other than a title and a few tidbits, has there? No release date even?
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
    edited March 2020 Posts: 871
    I know this won't and probably can't happen, but wouldn't it be amazing if EON, as a little thank you for the fans' patience over the next 7 months, shot a low key short film with Daniel Craig in the role and released it online over the summer. I'm thinking of something like the QoS short story, or 007 in New York. Nothing with action, just Fleming's story on screen, dialogue and good acting etc. Something to soften the blow...

    You're right, this isn't going to happen, but I think it's a very good idea.

    I remember watching a promotional 15 minute film from Marvel with Hayley Atwell. Something similar could be done with Bond, a short film with some low-key action.

    The problem is - Bond retired after the events from SP, and that leaves less room for coming up with an interesting concept. Perhaps doing something with Lynch as Nomi could work.

    Anyway, it's not happening, I'm just thinking out loud.

    Blade Runner 2049 had some cool ones, too.

    I still haven't seen BR 2049, unfortunately. I wanted to rewatch part 1 first, but I haven't got round to it yet.
    antovolk wrote: »
    A 90-second attempt at that from an acclaimed British director is dropping this Sunday ;)

    Yeah, but that's just a commercial. :D
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 4,247
    mtm wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    Maybe they can release the 'Being James Bond' documentary about Daniel Craig's time as James Bond. What better time to release it than now. That will surely ease fans' hunger a bit....seeing Craig's screentest for Casino Royale & other rare BTS footages would be a rare silver-lining at this dire time in the life of a Bond fan.

    Must say I'm quite keen to see that. There's not been much more information released other than a title and a few tidbits, has there? No release date even?

    Yeah, no release date yet though.
  • edited March 2020 Posts: 1,469
    And they probably picked November because that’s Bond’s usual release date, they know Bond does well in November as opposed to the summer.
    And from what I'm reading, on average a film will do better in November than April, skipping summer "blockbuster" season. Releasing the Wednesday before Thanksgiving would be a good jump on holiday viewing.

    Had a few minutes free. Top box office gross adjusted for inflation: TB (December release); then GF (Sept. and Dec. UK and U.S.); then SF (Oct./Nov). I saw hardly any that came out in an April. FRWL came out in the UK October 63 and did come out in the U.S. the next April. YOLT June 67. OHMSS December 69. CR, QoS and SP either late Oct or Nov. TLD and LTK were June/July releases. MR, FYEO, OP and AVTAK May/June. TSWLM July.
  • FatherValentineFatherValentine England
    Posts: 737
    I know this won't and probably can't happen, but wouldn't it be amazing if EON, as a little thank you for the fans' patience over the next 7 months, shot a low key short film with Daniel Craig in the role and released it online over the summer. I'm thinking of something like the QoS short story, or 007 in New York. Nothing with action, just Fleming's story on screen, dialogue and good acting etc. Something to soften the blow...

    You're right, this isn't going to happen, but I think it's a very good idea.

    I remember watching a promotional 15 minute film from Marvel with Hayley Atwell. Something similar could be done with Bond, a short film with some low-key action.

    The problem is - Bond retired after the events from SP, and that leaves less room for coming up with an interesting concept. Perhaps doing something with Lynch as Nomi could work.

    Anyway, it's not happening, I'm just thinking out loud.

    Yeah, I just thought with seven months to spare something like this would be a good idea. I wouldn't be worried about the timeline issue. It probably wouldn't alter any Adaptation of the QoS story anyway. But yeah, it's obviously not going to happen.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,585
    This is all disappointing news, a letdown, for sure. But the film is still on its way. We get a whole summer and fall to continue dissecting what might be. I feel bad about Eilish and her song now losing momentum going into it; I feel bad for DC and his work on SNL this week, to promote a film that is now nine months away.

    But in the grand scheme of things, this is a blip. There are more important things going on in the world right now.

    Be safe everyone.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Contraband wrote: »
    Such cool images :D
  • Posts: 4,409
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Contraband wrote: »
    Such cool images :D

    Nomi spin-off.......something more grounded and London based? Anyone? I would definitely watch that.

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  • Posts: 3,164
    Anticipated 30-50 million USD hit to MGM for the delayed release.
    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/mgm-take-30-million-hit-moving-bond-film-no-time-die-1282803
  • DeerAtTheGatesDeerAtTheGates Belgium
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    mtm wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    Maybe they can release the 'Being James Bond' documentary about Daniel Craig's time as James Bond. What better time to release it than now. That will surely ease fans' hunger a bit....seeing Craig's screentest for Casino Royale & other rare BTS footages would be a rare silver-lining at this dire time in the life of a Bond fan.

    Must say I'm quite keen to see that. There's not been much more information released other than a title and a few tidbits, has there? No release date even?

    Nope, no release date. Maybe I’m overthinking this, but maybe the whole delay includes this documentary? If it truly is an overview on Craig’s career as Bond and not a look back, there might be some NTTD spoilers present. Which means this documentary might always have been intended to launch a few months after NTTD. And in the current situation, that means January or February. And they couldn’t say that at the event, because then the public knew something was up with the release date of the film, because releasing a film in April and an overview documentary almost a year later would’ve been a strange thing to announce. That’s my theory why they didn’t mention a release date: to not set off any alarm bells before the announcement a day later.

    We’ll see, but if there are spoilers for NTTD in there, it’s a long way off. If not, it would be the ideal waiting present for the fans.
  • Posts: 4,409
    antovolk wrote: »
    Anticipated 30-50 million USD hit to MGM for the delayed release.
    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/mgm-take-30-million-hit-moving-bond-film-no-time-die-1282803

    You’ll make that back in your sleep in Asia. On a spreadsheet they stood to loose $300-400 million
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
    edited March 2020 Posts: 3,022
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Contraband wrote: »
    Such cool images :D

    Nomi spin-off.......something more grounded and London based? Anyone? I would definitely watch that.

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    @Pierce2Daniel Hope you're not serious now? That's Nokias new ad (drops march 8). Nokia has a sponsorship with EON and Nomi will have a new Nokia smartphone plus 5G handset in NTTD
  • Posts: 3,164
    antovolk wrote: »
    Anticipated 30-50 million USD hit to MGM for the delayed release.
    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/mgm-take-30-million-hit-moving-bond-film-no-time-die-1282803

    You’ll make that back in your sleep in Asia. On a spreadsheet they stood to loose $300-400 million

    In fact would have been more like 150-200, remember only half the box office earnings go to the distributor...still cost benefit analysis of pressing on vs delaying makes sense.
  • silva13silva13 Australia
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    Didn't the cast go on graham Norton for MI; fallout before the film was finished because Cruise broke his ankle? And I'm pretty sure they went on again when the film was finished. So circumstances change and that movie did alright.

    I suppose the difference being that NTTD had already pushed dozens of tv spots and posters. And we all know the movie is ready to go.
    Also, the biological plot must be quite prominent in this film.
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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