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  • Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel
    Posts: 4,409
    Red_Snow wrote: »

    Thank you! Great find! Possible insight into Safin/Madeleine's plot....

    _JAMESBOND.jpg?itok=a6NvsI1X
    Wikipedia states:

    The film tells the story of a dull, plump housewife living in poverty with a common-law husband. After being raped by a thief, she is repeatedly accosted by him as he falls madly in love with her. Stuck between her adulterous, unloving husband and the rapist she struggles to find happiness.


    Did Safin rape Madeleine? Based off the comments from Seydoux, I'm getting the impression that Madeleine will actually be a fleshed-out, three-dimensional character this time. So perhaps this adds up.....
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »

    Thank you! Great find! Possible insight into Safin/Madeleine's plot....

    _JAMESBOND.jpg?itok=a6NvsI1X
    Wikipedia states:

    The film tells the story of a dull, plump housewife living in poverty with a common-law husband. After being raped by a thief, she is repeatedly accosted by him as he falls madly in love with her. Stuck between her adulterous, unloving husband and the rapist she struggles to find happiness.


    Did Safin rape Madeleine? Based off the comments from Seydoux, I'm getting the impression that Madeleine will actually be a fleshed-out, three-dimensional character this time. So perhaps this adds up.....

    And True Detective was about...? Perhaps we’re onto something. Childhood trauma is a common theme throughout Cary’s body of work.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    edited March 2020 Posts: 3,497
    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »

    Thank you! Great find! Possible insight into Safin/Madeleine's plot....

    _JAMESBOND.jpg?itok=a6NvsI1X
    Wikipedia states:

    The film tells the story of a dull, plump housewife living in poverty with a common-law husband. After being raped by a thief, she is repeatedly accosted by him as he falls madly in love with her. Stuck between her adulterous, unloving husband and the rapist she struggles to find happiness.


    Did Safin rape Madeleine? Based off the comments from Seydoux, I'm getting the impression that Madeleine will actually be a fleshed-out, three-dimensional character this time. So perhaps this adds up.....

    WTF is with that Wikipedia article??? And it's certainly NOT coming from their NTTD page...

    Jesus Christ man.
  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
    Posts: 575
    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »

    Thank you! Great find! Possible insight into Safin/Madeleine's plot....

    _JAMESBOND.jpg?itok=a6NvsI1X
    Wikipedia states:

    The film tells the story of a dull, plump housewife living in poverty with a common-law husband. After being raped by a thief, she is repeatedly accosted by him as he falls madly in love with her. Stuck between her adulterous, unloving husband and the rapist she struggles to find happiness.


    Did Safin rape Madeleine? Based off the comments from Seydoux, I'm getting the impression that Madeleine will actually be a fleshed-out, three-dimensional character this time. So perhaps this adds up.....
    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    Red_Snow wrote: »

    Thank you! Great find! Possible insight into Safin/Madeleine's plot....

    _JAMESBOND.jpg?itok=a6NvsI1X
    Wikipedia states:

    The film tells the story of a dull, plump housewife living in poverty with a common-law husband. After being raped by a thief, she is repeatedly accosted by him as he falls madly in love with her. Stuck between her adulterous, unloving husband and the rapist she struggles to find happiness.


    Did Safin rape Madeleine? Based off the comments from Seydoux, I'm getting the impression that Madeleine will actually be a fleshed-out, three-dimensional character this time. So perhaps this adds up.....

    I am very curious about this as well. Points to Madeleine being a huge part of this plot. I am excited, I watched Spectre over the weekend and came away more inpressed with what Seydoux did with the material she was given.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    Posts: 5,970
    This makes me think that Madeleine/Safin's relationship will feel very Fleming-esque.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
    Posts: 2,539
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
    Posts: 3,022
    Red_Snow wrote: »

    FYI: Im fixing this one as we speak.



  • octofingeroctofinger
    Posts: 787
    For my money I'm going to predict that this Bond film doesn't feature a child rape subplot for the female protagonist.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    Denbigh wrote: »
    This makes me think that Madeleine/Safin's relationship will feel very Fleming-esque.

    Wasn’t Tiffany raped when she was young? Yes I believe.
  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
    Posts: 575
    matt_u wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    This makes me think that Madeleine/Safin's relationship will feel very Fleming-esque.

    Wasn’t Tiffany raped when she was young? Yes I believe.

    Madeleine and the literary Tiffany share some characteristics. That would fit.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    Bentley007 wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    This makes me think that Madeleine/Safin's relationship will feel very Fleming-esque.

    Wasn’t Tiffany raped when she was young? Yes I believe.

    Madeleine and the literary Tiffany share some characteristics. That would fit.

    Yes I agree.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    Posts: 3,497
    What's with this rape thing all of a sudden?

    You do realise that all of that is NOT on the wikipedia page of NTTD?

    Or am I missing something?
  • GerardGerard
    Posts: 5,994
    Sorry if that has already been posted, but :

    https://www.cbr.com/no-time-to-die-lashana-lynch-00-nokia-ad/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=32&v=aM3kPYj_Grw
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    matt_u wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    This makes me think that Madeleine/Safin's relationship will feel very Fleming-esque.

    Wasn’t Tiffany raped when she was young? Yes I believe.

    Honeychile Rider was, and killed the man.
  • delfloriadelfloria
    Posts: 1,860
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    This makes me think that Madeleine/Safin's relationship will feel very Fleming-esque.

    Wasn’t Tiffany raped when she was young? Yes I believe.

    Honeychile Rider was, and killed the man.

    "It took him a whole week to die".
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited March 2020 Posts: 4,343
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    What's with this rape thing all of a sudden?

    You do realise that all of that is NOT on the wikipedia page of NTTD?

    Or am I missing something?

    You’re missing something. This “rape thing” is part of the plot of Unholy Desire the film Fukunaga took as inspiration for NTTD.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,216
    matt_u wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    What's with this rape thing all of a sudden?

    You do realise that all of that is NOT on the wikipedia page of NTTD?

    Or am I missing something?

    You’re missing something. This “rape thing” is part of the plot of Unholy Desire the film Fukunaga took as inspiration for NTTD.

    I think this is being taken too literally; just because he took inspiration from the film doesn’t mean that the specific plot element of rape was used. I find it highly unlikely that it will be. The inspiration is more likely a tone or story structure.
  • HildebrandRarityHildebrandRarity Centre international d'assistance aux personnes déplacées, Paris, France
    Posts: 482
    talos7 wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    What's with this rape thing all of a sudden?

    You do realise that all of that is NOT on the wikipedia page of NTTD?

    Or am I missing something?

    You’re missing something. This “rape thing” is part of the plot of Unholy Desire the film Fukunaga took as inspiration for NTTD.

    I think this is being taken too literally; just because he took inspiration from the film doesn’t mean that the specific plot element of rape was used. I find it highly unlikely that it will be. The inspiration is more likely a tone or story structure.

    Some theme or some visuals. Imamura was an extremely interesting filmmaker who was part of Japan's New Wave along with Nagisha Oshima. He's also responsible for Profound Desires of the Gods, Vengeance Is Mine, The Ballad of Narayama (second version), Black Rain, The Eel and a few others. In many ways, he was the opposite of directors from the previous generations such as Ozu, Kurozawa or Mizoguchi. With his Japanese roots, Fukunaga must be familiar with Imamura's filmography, and it's likely that he will try to convey on NTTD some feeling that he got while watching Unholy Desire.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    talos7 wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    What's with this rape thing all of a sudden?

    You do realise that all of that is NOT on the wikipedia page of NTTD?

    Or am I missing something?

    You’re missing something. This “rape thing” is part of the plot of Unholy Desire the film Fukunaga took as inspiration for NTTD.

    I think this is being taken too literally; just because he took inspiration from the film doesn’t mean that the specific plot element of rape was used. I find it highly unlikely that it will be. The inspiration is more likely a tone or story structure.

    Maybe. But as I already said childhood trauma is a strong theme in his films and TD was about satanists and pedophiles. Two iconic Bond girls were raped in the books so even tho this is all speculation there’s still a chance that there could be some truth in it. I’d personally love that. Swann crying with the mask in her hands triggering the memory of the day she was raped would be pretty powerful. I wouldn’t discard this idea.
  • weboffearweboffear Scotland
    Posts: 52
    interesting discussion about streaming
  • Benjamin_Weekly69Benjamin_Weekly69 London
    edited March 2020 Posts: 727
    It's time for a transgendered woman to be a Bond girl. Plus, Bond needs to be on the receiving end of a sex scene. How many times have we seen Bond on top? It would be refreshing and progressive.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited March 2020 Posts: 8,216
    matt_u wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    What's with this rape thing all of a sudden?

    You do realise that all of that is NOT on the wikipedia page of NTTD?

    Or am I missing something?

    You’re missing something. This “rape thing” is part of the plot of Unholy Desire the film Fukunaga took as inspiration for NTTD.

    I think this is being taken too literally; just because he took inspiration from the film doesn’t mean that the specific plot element of rape was used. I find it highly unlikely that it will be. The inspiration is more likely a tone or story structure.

    Maybe. But as I already said childhood trauma is a strong theme in his films and TD was about satanists and pedophiles. Two iconic Bond girls were raped in the books so even tho this is all speculation there’s still a chance that there could be some truth in it. I’d personally love that. Swann crying with the mask in her hands triggering the memory of the day she was raped would be pretty powerful. I wouldn’t discard this idea.

    I just don’t see rape being used as a plot device for a Bond film , even in the Craig era.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,304
    talos7 wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    What's with this rape thing all of a sudden?

    You do realise that all of that is NOT on the wikipedia page of NTTD?

    Or am I missing something?

    You’re missing something. This “rape thing” is part of the plot of Unholy Desire the film Fukunaga took as inspiration for NTTD.

    I think this is being taken too literally; just because he took inspiration from the film doesn’t mean that the specific plot element of rape was used. I find it highly unlikely that it will be. The inspiration is more likely a tone or story structure.

    Maybe. But as I already said childhood trauma is a strong theme in his films and TD was about satanists and pedophiles. Two iconic Bond girls were raped in the books so even tho this is all speculation there’s still a chance that there could be some truth in it. I’d personally love that. Swann crying with the mask in her hands triggering the memory of the day she was raped would be pretty powerful. I wouldn’t discard this idea.

    I just don’t see rape being used as a plot device for a Bond film , even in the Craig era.

    QoS!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,413
    Just in case you didn't get the NTTD issue of American Cinematographer, they've actually officially released it for free and you can read it on your device here:
    https://ascmag.com/articles/april-2020-ac-issue
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,217
    Thank you, @mtm
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,216
    echo wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    What's with this rape thing all of a sudden?

    You do realise that all of that is NOT on the wikipedia page of NTTD?

    Or am I missing something?

    You’re missing something. This “rape thing” is part of the plot of Unholy Desire the film Fukunaga took as inspiration for NTTD.

    I think this is being taken too literally; just because he took inspiration from the film doesn’t mean that the specific plot element of rape was used. I find it highly unlikely that it will be. The inspiration is more likely a tone or story structure.

    Maybe. But as I already said childhood trauma is a strong theme in his films and TD was about satanists and pedophiles. Two iconic Bond girls were raped in the books so even tho this is all speculation there’s still a chance that there could be some truth in it. I’d personally love that. Swann crying with the mask in her hands triggering the memory of the day she was raped would be pretty powerful. I wouldn’t discard this idea.

    I just don’t see rape being used as a plot device for a Bond film , even in the Craig era.

    QoS!

    True, but I still don’t see that part of this story. We’ll see..... eventually 🤔

  • GerardGerard
    Posts: 5,994
    In fact, no less than three Bond Girls had been raped before Bond entered the picture : Tiffany Case, Honeychile Rider and Pussy Galore.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    edited March 2020 Posts: 3,497
    matt_u wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    What's with this rape thing all of a sudden?

    You do realise that all of that is NOT on the wikipedia page of NTTD?

    Or am I missing something?

    You’re missing something. This “rape thing” is part of the plot of Unholy Desire the film Fukunaga took as inspiration for NTTD.

    So because he took inspiration from that film it means that we will have a rape victim in NTTD?

    @Pierce2Daniel Please clarify your sources in the future.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    What's with this rape thing all of a sudden?

    You do realise that all of that is NOT on the wikipedia page of NTTD?

    Or am I missing something?

    You’re missing something. This “rape thing” is part of the plot of Unholy Desire the film Fukunaga took as inspiration for NTTD.

    So because he took inspiration from that film it means that we will have a rape victim in NTTD?

    @Pierce2Daniel Please clarify your sources in the future.

    It means that is a possibility come on.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    Posts: 3,497
    Yes, but you are presenting it as a fact.

    Inspiration does not mean 100% copying something.
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