No Time to Die production thread

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  • Posts: 623
    They could cast a giraffe as Bond and I’d say “well let’s see where they’re going with this

    As long as they don't kill him off..

  • Posts: 623
    Then cast a Walrus.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Wasn't a child's toy spotted whilst they were filming this scene in Norway? I can't find the photo online?

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    It wasn't photographed anywhere I believe, but the quote from Dagbladet (the newspaper the photo above comes from) said:

    Dagbladet's pictures show that the "actors" in the cars that were filmed during the "James Bond" shoot this week have been marked with dots on their faces.

    In a Toyota Land Cruiser sits a "couple" with a child dummy in the back seat, the three appear to be a core family.
    In the Bond car, an Aston Martin V8 Vantage, sits a man in green jacket. Most likely they're all stand-ins for the film's more central actors, Dagbladet are told.

    Phew! So they don t have a child after all, they just won a doll at the tivoli or something.
  • Posts: 17,740
    Wasn't a child's toy spotted whilst they were filming this scene in Norway? I can't find the photo online?

    71154930.jpg?imageId=71154930&x=0&y=7.461095890411&cropw=100&croph=80.684931506849&width=980&height=590

    It wasn't photographed anywhere I believe, but the quote from Dagbladet (the newspaper the photo above comes from) said:

    Dagbladet's pictures show that the "actors" in the cars that were filmed during the "James Bond" shoot this week have been marked with dots on their faces.

    In a Toyota Land Cruiser sits a "couple" with a child dummy in the back seat, the three appear to be a core family.
    In the Bond car, an Aston Martin V8 Vantage, sits a man in green jacket. Most likely they're all stand-ins for the film's more central actors, Dagbladet are told.

    Phew! So they don t have a child after all, they just won a doll at the tivoli or something.

    :))
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    antovolk wrote: »
    shamanimal wrote: »
    Personally, I really really want them to kill James Bond. I just think the gesture would speak volumes.

    How would you approach the next movie then though. Just think of him as a different person?
    Or would he be the same character, but in a time before his death?
    Or would it be like an alternate universe, like they'd have in sci-fi?
    Or perhaps it wouldn't matter at all, and they can presumably kill him off again, and again.

    Casino Royale and the whole Craig era is already an alternate universe though. ?

    And so were the older Bond movies, unless someone really believes that Connery and Brosnan played the same character in the same continuity who magically rejuvenated after A View To A Kill.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,546
    shamanimal wrote: »
    Then cast a Walrus.

    Any shamanimal will do.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 4,247
    I just need a track or two from Zimmer to help ....coz this fatherly Bond, family Bond & Bond dies thing is beginning to look too Zany for me.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    Posts: 5,970
    Walecs wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    shamanimal wrote: »
    Personally, I really really want them to kill James Bond. I just think the gesture would speak volumes.

    How would you approach the next movie then though. Just think of him as a different person?
    Or would he be the same character, but in a time before his death?
    Or would it be like an alternate universe, like they'd have in sci-fi?
    Or perhaps it wouldn't matter at all, and they can presumably kill him off again, and again.

    Casino Royale and the whole Craig era is already an alternate universe though. ?

    And so were the older Bond movies, unless someone really believes that Connery and Brosnan played the same character in the same continuity who magically rejuvenated after A View To A Kill.
    They do make it that he's the same guy up until Brosnan - they have all of the props in Die Another Day.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    shamanimal wrote: »
    Personally, I really really want them to kill James Bond. I just think the gesture would speak volumes.

    How would you approach the next movie then though. Just think of him as a different person?
    Or would he be the same character, but in a time before his death?
    Or would it be like an alternate universe, like they'd have in sci-fi?
    Or perhaps it wouldn't matter at all, and they can presumably kill him off again, and again.

    Casino Royale and the whole Craig era is already an alternate universe though. ?

    And so were the older Bond movies, unless someone really believes that Connery and Brosnan played the same character in the same continuity who magically rejuvenated after A View To A Kill.
    They do make it that he's the same guy up until Brosnan - they have all of the props in Die Another Day.

    It's the same character as in "it's always James Bond", they're not different people who were assigned the 007 title. But they're not set in the same continuity because Bond would be 70+ years old in DAD.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    Posts: 5,970
    Walecs wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    shamanimal wrote: »
    Personally, I really really want them to kill James Bond. I just think the gesture would speak volumes.

    How would you approach the next movie then though. Just think of him as a different person?
    Or would he be the same character, but in a time before his death?
    Or would it be like an alternate universe, like they'd have in sci-fi?
    Or perhaps it wouldn't matter at all, and they can presumably kill him off again, and again.

    Casino Royale and the whole Craig era is already an alternate universe though. ?

    And so were the older Bond movies, unless someone really believes that Connery and Brosnan played the same character in the same continuity who magically rejuvenated after A View To A Kill.
    They do make it that he's the same guy up until Brosnan - they have all of the props in Die Another Day.
    It's the same character as in "it's always James Bond", they're not different people who were assigned the 007 title. But they're not set in the same continuity because Bond would be 70+ years old in DAD.
    Oh I see, yeah of course :)
  • edited June 2020 Posts: 623
    Walecs wrote: »
    It's the same character as in "it's always James Bond", they're not different people who were assigned the 007 title. But they're not set in the same continuity because Bond would be 70+ years old in DAD.

    So is Daniel Craig playing the same character/person as Brosnan, or is it a different character/person?
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited June 2020 Posts: 5,970
    shamanimal wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    It's the same character as in "it's always James Bond", they're not different people who were assigned the 007 title. But they're not set in the same continuity because Bond would be 70+ years old in DAD.

    So is Daniel Craig playing the same character/person as Brosnan, or is it a different character/person?
    You're quoting people wrong @shamanimal.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited June 2020 Posts: 7,546
    Craig is the same character/person... James Bond... they’re just different stories.
    Do yourselves a favour and stop thinking about continuity, outside the Craig films.
    Craig is playing the same character as the other actors. His stories are more connected than those of the other actors. That’s all there really is to it.
  • Posts: 623
    Denbigh wrote: »
    You're quoting people wrong @shamanimal, and Craig is a separate character/person.

    Sorry, I've edited.

    So if Craig's Bond dies, and then the series carries on, that works in a way that if Connery's Bond died, Roger Moore's Bond wouldn't have worked.
    Because Craig's Bond created a seperate, erm ... Universe?

    You can see why I don't watch much sci-fi, can't you?

  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,546
    If Craig’s bond dies, that’s just a James Bond story being told. It has no effect on any films before or after, necessarily. There are no “multiple universes”.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited June 2020 Posts: 5,970
    shamanimal wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    You're quoting people wrong @shamanimal, and Craig is a separate character/person.

    Sorry, I've edited.

    So if Craig's Bond dies, and then the series carries on, that works in a way that if Connery's Bond died, Roger Moore's Bond wouldn't have worked.
    Because Craig's Bond created a seperate, erm ... Universe? You can see why I don't watch much sci-fi, can't you?
    No. The series isn't going to carry on Craig's continuity, especially if he dies. It'll be rebooted again.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited June 2020 Posts: 13,763
    Stated earlier in as many words. Same Bond character, different timeline and continuity.

    And being the same Bond character, all the Bond actor iterations have the Casino Royale experience in their background. It's cooked in.

    All the Craig Bond film content, not so much I should add.

  • Posts: 623
    If Craig’s bond dies, that’s just a James Bond story being told. It has no effect on any films before or after, necessarily. There are no “multiple universes”.

    Then any story line with any danger or threat, means nothing if the character we're being asked to invest emotion in, can just 're-invent', or 're-boot'.
    And if it's not the same character, then how do we define that character?
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited June 2020 Posts: 7,546
    shamanimal wrote: »
    If Craig’s bond dies, that’s just a James Bond story being told. It has no effect on any films before or after, necessarily. There are no “multiple universes”.

    Then any story line with any danger or threat, means nothing if the character we're being asked to invest emotion in, can just 're-invent', or 're-boot'.
    And if it's not the same character, then how do we define that character?

    The film needs to contain its own stakes. The film contains its own story.
    What you’re saying is, no character death in the history of cinema means anything, because anyone can come along and make a film with that character again. Not so; every film (even the ones connected to other films) must still contain their own stakes and story.
    The character of Bond is defined by how he acts in different situations, and by a certain set of characteristics that define his character; orphan, killer, suave sophisticated secret agent and all that.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited June 2020 Posts: 5,970
    shamanimal wrote: »
    If Craig’s bond dies, that’s just a James Bond story being told. It has no effect on any films before or after, necessarily. There are no “multiple universes”.
    Then any story line with any danger or threat, means nothing if the character we're being asked to invest emotion in, can just 're-invent', or 're-boot'.
    And if it's not the same character, then how do we define that character?
    Surely the fact that it can be rebooted, puts James Bond in more danger, meaning we'd be more invested in seeing him survive? Rather than knowing he was going survive every single movie because they would never kill him ever - even in an enclosed narrative?

    And you define the character by what the actor whose playing him and what that continuity presents. Craig isn't defined by anyone else's era but his own because he did his own thing with it and had his own narrative, just as we define each of the others Bonds by each of their performances. We're just free to talk about the other Bond's arc because they were all connected, whereas Craig's isn't.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    The way I see it, those who could be the same Bond in the same timeline without time adjusting said timeline are these four combos:

    Connery/Moore
    Lazenby/Moore
    Lazenby/Dalton
    Dalton/Brosnan

    Any other combination needs you to ignore one or more aspects of the films.
  • Posts: 623
    If Craig’s bond dies, that’s just a James Bond story being told. It has no effect on any films before or after, necessarily.

    It's like I'm Charlton Heston on the Planet of the Apes here today.

    Does nobody else on here think this idea of the cinematic James Bond dying and then the series carrying on as if nothing has happened, is total billy bollocks?
  • edited June 2020 Posts: 17,740
    shamanimal wrote: »
    If Craig’s bond dies, that’s just a James Bond story being told. It has no effect on any films before or after, necessarily.

    It's like I'm Charlton Heston on the Planet of the Apes here today.

    Does nobody else on here think this idea of the cinematic James Bond dying and then the series carrying on as if nothing has happened, is total billy bollocks?

    Oh, completely. Hate the idea. I won't pay to see a Bond film where Bond dies.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,546
    shamanimal wrote: »
    If Craig’s bond dies, that’s just a James Bond story being told. It has no effect on any films before or after, necessarily.

    It's like I'm Charlton Heston on the Planet of the Apes here today.

    Does nobody else on here think this idea of the cinematic James Bond dying and then the series carrying on as if nothing has happened, is total billy bollocks?

    You’re not wrong, it isn’t a great idea for a franchise to kill the main character; I’m just saying it wouldn’t be the end of the world. It isn’t like the MCU where all the stories are linked in a linear way; in that case, bringing Iron Man back would have more of the effect you describe. But even then, it wouldn’t make Endgame bad.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,546
    I’ll pay to see any Bond story, if it’s a good story.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited June 2020 Posts: 5,970
    And yes, no-ones saying you're wrong for not wanting him to be killed, we're just saying it could make sense going forward if that's what they wanted to do.
    I’ll pay to see any Bond story, if it’s a good story.
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  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited June 2020 Posts: 7,546
    Denbigh wrote: »
    And yes, no-ones saying you're wrong for not wanting him to be killed, we're just saying it could make sense going forward if that's what they wanted to do.

    Yes. I think people really just need to throw away the concept of continuity between Bond films. Would it have made sense for Bond to die in Skyfall and come back for Spectre? No. Would it make sense for Bond to die at the end of Craig’s tenure and have a new actor come and tell new Bond stories? Why not?

    I've sometimes thought, a franchise with a Bond-like character who, throughout the films/episodes/whatever, died just as often as succeeded. Then, in each entry, you truly wouldn't know if he would get out of his current predicament or not. Edge of your seat stuff. ;)
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    Not much to discuss but..


    This young lady - Emanuela Coletta - is listed as a stunt woman on NTTD's IMDB-page, and she was working in Matera.


    The fight training was filmed at Riva Dei Ginepri Beach Club, the same place Cary, Lea, Linus, Ana chilled at during production. The sparring partner is Gabriele Ragusa, stunt performer, also listed on NTTD.

  • Posts: 623
    Would it make sense for Bond to die at the end of Craig’s tenure and have a new actor come and tell new Bond stories? Why not?

    Why not? Because in the previous film, erm... James Bond died.

  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited June 2020 Posts: 7,546
    shamanimal wrote: »
    Would it make sense for Bond to die at the end of Craig’s tenure and have a new actor come and tell new Bond stories? Why not?

    Why not? Because in the previous film, erm... James Bond died.

    I'm saying, the stories of the two wouldn't be linked. In the same way the stories of Moonraker and Diamonds Are Forever aren't linked.

    Would it be the worst thing in the world if EON produced a Bond film with a new actor and a new director, both just doing the one film, and he died? And then new talent came on and did the next one, totally unrelated to the last?

    I mean, at the end of the day, you have nothing to worry about; they're never going to kill Bond. All I'm saying is story always must come first, in this or any franchise or non franchise film, and if the story they want to tell involves the death of Bond, they shouldn't feel limited in their storytelling capacity because of factors that don't pertain to the specific story being told in that specific film.
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