It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
^ Back to Top
The MI6 Community is unofficial and in no way associated or linked with EON Productions, MGM, Sony Pictures, Activision or Ian Fleming Publications. Any views expressed on this website are of the individual members and do not necessarily reflect those of the Community owners. Any video or images displayed in topics on MI6 Community are embedded by users from third party sites and as such MI6 Community and its owners take no responsibility for this material.
James Bond News • James Bond Articles • James Bond Magazine
Comments
Thanks.
I don't think her 'secret' is that she is pregnant. Clearly her secret is connected to Safin....I also think there will be a thematic through-line with Madeleine as the film opens with her as a young girl. Hence why it could be emotionally resonate for it to end with her grown up with her daughter.....I think Madeleine is very much the lead of this story.
@GadgetMan - I actually think a few names on that list wouldn't care. However, a number of those actors will probably be desperately jealous of the material Craig gets. He get's to do a lot with the character. You don't associate Bond with as much range as they give Craig.
Also, it's kinda strange that so many years since CR that we now have the inclination that Mr White is actually the grandfather to Bond's child. We all knew he'd be important going forward. But not this significant a character.
( Is the child the son of bond and Madeleine )??or what..?
This is a good point. The father thing is not exactly something I would have advocated for but it is certainly interesting.
Bond dying - without ambiguity - on the other hand, isn't. I'll be disappointed if they do but I remain unconvinced by the arguments put forward to the extent that I don't think it's going to happen. I believe the approach towards death that has been established by the previous films will be continued.
It's interesting to note where Bond once was and where it has gotten. In the past, long before the internet, Bond was meant as an escape. Bond captured raw locations that people dreamed of like Italy, Switzerland, etc. There's no real special quality of Bond being a travelogue anymore. You can go on YouTube and see a million vlogs of people living wherever in the world. You can google pictures of any place. Sure, it doesn't beat BEING there, but I'm sure audiences don't have the same sense of wonder they used to.
Point is Bond can't rely on the qualities of the past, and must evolve to survive.
None of these problems existed after SF.
And I simply do no buy the notion that Bond has to have a family or surrogate family running around with him to stay 'relevant'. The creative decisions they are going with here are brave, I agree. But brave doesn't mean sensible. What they are doing here is the equivalent of Bond going back into space in FYEO, or his invisible car sprouting wings in a Brosnan starring Casino Royale.
Unfortunately…
How did it all come to this?
I just think Skyfall's ending promised us a "return-to-form". Now to me that doesn't mean a James Bond with no character development, interesting backstory or adventures, but it does mean leaning towards a more adventurous set of films that have their own stories; like Skyfall actually did before they decided to tie everything together in the next film...
...and this still could've been achieved while bringing SPECTRE back because you don't have to have it be connected to Quantum. By not bothering with that connection, you'd have got a lot more creative freedom and they wouldn't have written themselves into so many corners.
Now, don't get me wrong I think No Time to Die is gonna be great, but I do think its drawbacks (if it ends up having any) will be its reliance on the continuity - based on what we've seen.
I agree. I don't think EON and Mendes needed to connect SP with SF (and, in effect, the other two films). Instead, NTTD acts best as a direct sequel to SP, with those two films being tandem, like CR and QoS. This would have created a terrific dynamic: CR --> QoS / SF (standalone, dividing line, transiition to new M) / SP --> NTTD.
i have two version
1) bond at the end apparently dies
2) while bond go fight safin, nomi and madelene take care of mathilde
at the end reveals (while driving into tunnel) tha bond is her father
even bond doesn t know that mathilde is her child (only madeleine knows...)
Casino Royale is great (despite the butchered ending), but after that nothing works for me. Everyone loves Skyfall, and so did I - at the cinema. I was blown away by its LOOKS. I got to realize that I don't like the substance. Spectre is catastrophic on every level and I don't see how this one now could possible be any good.
They are on a route that they can't get off of anymore. That's the problem when you "connect" every story with the next and the previous one... Fleming didn't do that.
Agreed. We said this on the last page too. The cat is out of the bag now. A title change is necessary.
i dont know , this time it might be something different, because it s last craig movie...
i have two version
1) bond at the end apparently dies
2) while bond go fight safin, nomi and madelene take care of mathilde
at the end reveals (while driving into tunnel) tha bond is her father
even bond doesn t know that mathilde is her child (only madeleine knows...)
But in other hand, the first post say "allowing people to share all relevant filming news about B25, without having to worry about spoiler tags". But yeah, the title should be changed.
I think it's fair to say SP is the instigator of the problems in Craig's Era, because it went back and made Le Chiffre, Greene & Silva SPECTRE agents out of nothing and made Mr. White Madeleine's father.....It's amazing how a single film can create problems for other quality films.
It’s because of the timing of EON winning the rights of Spectre and Blofeld back. They thought they could use Blofeld, and be clever by weaving him in to Craig's previous films, and his personal history.
I know that. The organisation of Spectre and Blofeld isn't the problem. The plot of SP isn't even the problem. There's mention of tying up loose narrative threads, but there weren't any. Yes, it is implied he retires at the end, but it could just have been annual leave. Had he come back as normal in NTTD without Madeline it wouldn't have been a problem. No more so than us wondering how he got down from space in MR or how he got back to dry land after the end of DN.
The whole plot sounds like bad fan fiction or something that John Gardner would have wrote in one of his later novels.
I have no problem with them going back to what was established in CR & QOS, though SF should have remained standalone.
It is the way they did it, hamfisted and contrived, there is plenty in those first 2 films to do something interesting and within the universe we are in believable but they slung together a piss poor idea of Bond and ESB being connected as far as Bond's childhood.
They could have done the connecting to the first 2 films and introduced ESB. I don't mind personal but SF should have been it.
Though and I know some of you think that Craig should have bailed and this should have been the beginning of new era but it is what it is and he didn't.
The idea that each film could now be separate was gone so yes they could have ended DC's era on a standalone but I don't think that would have lured him back. There was unfinished business and I think they wanted to make the last film more valid than it currently appears.
Just a thought.
It's true, there were basically no loose ends that needed tying up at the end of Spectre.
Spectre was meant to be Craig's sendoff, but he wasn't happy with it, I'm guessing most behind the scenes weren't, given how it played out, so now they're making a second sendoff film for Craig. Who knows, if this one tanks, maybe they'll do a third!