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Yeah exactly, I think they're both great. The last MI was better than the last Bond, I think there's a very good chance that the next MI will keep up the quality: Bond is less certain but I'm keeping my fingers crossed!
That's the thing. I mean I'm almost certain that the insane quality of Fallout is the reason EON kept changing writers for NTTD. Because it felt as if, when something was written, they weren't quite sure if it was working, even if it was working. Fallout is a lengthy film, but anytime one watches it, it comes and goes because the pace is electric. And there's serious urgency in its plot.
I'm a huge Bond fan like everyone here. But I've to be honest when I see the truth. Self-deceit is not a good thing.
He's A list, believe me, I work in the business and he's been on the studio etc. A list for several years now.
The reason they rewrote the plot is because of Danny Boyle's draft being not good according to the producers and because it needed to be spiced up (hence they brought PwB in).
Fallout had absolutely nothing to do with this.
You are already panicking about and not liking a movie that hasn't been released yet. And then you'll be like "see, told ya, teh Fallout was de way to go hehe".
The thing is, I'm not panicking over NTTD. I mentioned earlier that it could be great. My main concern is, the Mission Impossible films are gaining on Bond and even surpassing some of the recent Bond films. Not that I don't like the Mission Impossible films, but I want Bond to return to being a pace-setter, Coz he started the whole Spy business.
As a gamer I never understood the Xbox vs Playstation war, some 30 years old guys even called me names because I own an Xbox One.
And as people have said, you can totally enjoy both.
I'm not sure I'd say the Bond films have more story- the stories are at about the same level as MI. Bad guy wants to blow up the world. I think they just lean more on the style and atmosphere, and celebrating the main character. Just different accents on different things: I can't see how they're different breeds at all- they do very much the same thing in very similar ways, just delivered with different flavours.
For many years the Bond series was known as the one which famously did all the big stunts and did them for real. I think MI's scripts and stories have been wittier and just working better as a cohesive, satisfying whole than the last Bond script too.
And yes the more recent MI films have tried to delve more into that, but for me they're still being sold and are successful because of the spectacle and the action, which is why i call them a different breed - to the Craig-era.
But again this is just my perspective on it, as for me, when I watch an MI film, I'm don't really feel like I'm exploring anything and I don't feel any depth. It feels more like a basic spy story with lots of spectacle to keep me entertained. I also look at it as Tom Cruise doing some action, spy stuff, not him playing and exploring this character whose at the centre of it.
The Craig-era, on the other hand, has more layers and depth as well as the action we've come to expect, and when I watch Craig, I genuinely feel like I'm watching James Bond and the character go through all these things in a more interesting and complex way.
Yes, Spectre was a mess, but I still feel that both these franchise are a different breed of spy film. For example, I'd call MI a blockbuster, whereas for me the more recent James Bond films are action-thrillers.
1. M:I's brand is built on Cruise + stunts + caper-style plots
2. Bond's brand is built on style + Britishness + Fleming and EON legacy
Yeah, I can definitely understand where you're coming from.
Watched the much praised The Dark Knight, an hearing it had much inspiration drawn from Heat, I was excited to watch but found the Joke character's morality tests just really bland and not very outstanding, idk. I can definitely understand where all the love comes from but I just don't think it's something that I would enjoy.
Yep. I do ;-)
But I hope they won't go for the "going rogue" or "the IMF must be shut down " route again.
The trailers to the Craig films do have a lot of stunts in them, though.
Gosh I can't see it. I love the Bond films, obviously, but I don't think they've gone to any greater depth have than the MI films with Ethan's wife, his having the save everyone etc. in the last few films.
I would never call Hunt as interesting a character as Bond, which is why they don't try and push the same buttons with the audience when you're watching him, but I don't feel like these are hugely deep films.
Maybe, but they are blockbusters, by pretty much every definition of the word.
I agreed with everything you said, my friend,... until James Cameron. I'm all for Villeneuve, he'd be fantastic, but I firmly believe Cameron is the most overrated director of all time.
Also, what @Mallory just said about A-list directors and writers, absolutely spot on.
Also, I've just noticed I've answered a post from the previous page. So, ... moving on :)
This x 100. Even though I'd say "Englishness". ;-) :D :>
Bond's brand has long been built on stunts and inventive action and doing things for real, surely? It's USPs in the action movie realm are that it does big inventive action, has great beautiful sets and lush locations and a bit of style and playboy high living about everything. I don't think many punters care about Fleming or Eon (if they've even heard of them!). Not sure even Britishness features hugely, although it does help to give it a distinct flavour from the other blockbusters.
I meant the tropes and formulaic elements inherited from Fleming and of course Bond's rich cinematic history... of course including the big action, lush locations, beautiful sets, etc. Stunts are no doubt part of Bond's sell as well, perhaps just not to the same extent as for M:I, wherein Ethan Hunt seems like a stuntman moonlighting as a secret agent.
Take with a huge grain of salt, but this person claims NTTD is “definitely” coming this November. I have no idea if they have any credibility or what.
Haven't heard anything about streaming. But have heard from a source that they are definitely committed to the Nov 2020 release date. So full steam ahead at this point. Updates coming soon.
Solid take. I plan to see Tenet this weekend.
“I’d rather have James Bond be a flop than see it directed by one of the best action directors ever”.
Okay, buddy.
True Lies is Cameron's version of a Bond film. We'll never see him direct one, even though I wouldn't mind it. He's too tied into the Avatar sequels.