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Yep, exactly. Nothing to get worried about, it was just an angle to write some articles because the person involved is famous (and they can try and get some outrage going, and surprise surprise, it worked on a few Bond fans who are susceptible to that sort of thing). Eon have notably not mentioned the 007 thing at all for the possible reasons that: because it’s not true (which seems unlikely); they’re trying to not spoil the film; or they’re worried about a (sexist and racist) reaction against it before it comes out.
Having papers talking about Bond is always the important thing anyway.
But aren't you afraid that paves up the way for fake news? If we condone this, aren't we responsible as consumers for the continuity of poor journalism and media coverage? Isn't that the proverbial slippery slope?
It’s a Bond movie, not the end of the world. Showbiz pages have always made stuff up about Bond, or Chinese whispers have turned into a story down the line.
Fake news is something to worry about, but you’re fighting on the wrong battleground.
It’s been funny seeing how obvious some of the papers have been about stoking outrage in the production of this one, from the Waller Bridge ‘feminist agenda’ which has still stuck in some folks’ minds, to the story about how shocking it was they were destroying priceless old Aston Martins. And of course the wonderful moment when the Daily Mail revealed just how much of a feminist agenda they actually have when they captioned a picture from the filming ‘Daniel Craig and a female assistant’ when the woman with him was his boss, Ms Broccoli.
My thoughts, exactly. All that "we need a female James Bond" stuff is nothing but free press. James Bond will not be a woman. But people can have fun thinking about it. No harm done.
Plus one, as they say around here. :)
I guess what's funny for some is distasteful and worrisome for others. News is news, and should be treated with the respect the milieu deserves. Drops are what oceans are made of.
With your line of thought, things won't change but for the worst. Wanna say I'm hyperbolical and that I'm "fighting on the wrong battleground", go right ahead. But my everyday battleground is humankind, and one has to keep standards and seriousness about some things. News, for me, is one.
Yes well done for spotting that I had exaggerated slightly to make my point. Worth pointing out(!)
And no, there really isn’t anyone more famous from a popular press angle than PWB on the crew of the film. If you think there is then feel free to name them. Linus Sandgren maybe? Never off the front pages, that guy.
When someone starts going on about a ‘feminist agenda’ because there’s an advert out which has had to use the co-star because the main star most likely wasn’t available to them to use, it says more about their thought process than it does the film’s promotion.
And you think this is an ‘extremist’ feminist agenda? That’s an even more worrying thought process.
Yes, I think you do want to be anal about it for some reason. A bit pathetic. I’m sure we can all give you the kudos you’re looking for though.
I think you just forgot how much Craig has been involved but your thought processes have exposed themselves here.
The problem is that you missed how the supposedly feminist angle of hiring a writer was portrayed as a negative thing, and how less progressive parts of fandom fell for it. That’s the issue here.
I was never not talking to you. I wasn’t the one who spat the dummy.
That someone sure wasn't me. I complained about it being spy nonsense and even said Daniel Craig had a few just like it. But it's an advert and it's an apt one at that.
Thank you for calling me pathetic, btw, you're so nice. I'm the petulant one, evidently.
Goodnight. Don't bother answering.
People who gaslight other people in their lives may have a psychological disorder called narcissistic personality disorder.
@peter, my friend, I, for one, can't stand this anymore. I'm off the forums for a while. I've had enough.
I understand where you’re coming from @Univex ... but I hope you don’t.
We all enjoy your comments and feedback— even when we disagree. We all can manage like adults.
Just ignore and have fun with things that give you a grin.
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I think that every time a Bond movie comes out, there will be a ridiculous section of the media coverage dedicated to talking about how 'progressive' the movie is. However, due to recent media events and the fact there are two substantial new female characters in NTTD, James Bond has become a much bigger target for such types of media coverage owing to the perceived history of the character and so 95% of the media coverage becomes this dumb hype over strong female characters dedicated to pleasing the vocal minority with their shallow and ingenuous 'support' for social justice causes.
And I call this coverage 'shallow' because it only appears to look 'progressive', If you look back in history, there have already been legendary 'macho' movies that had considerable input from female writers like Terminator, and even female directors such as American Psycho. Being hyped over PWB giving creative input and calling that progressive is the same as a high schooler going over his ABC's - we've already been there in terms of female involvement in filmmaking, and we were already there many, many years ago. It's patronizing to hype PWB like this.
It also does not serve the characters justice. To be told that they are powerful and not have them work for their strength is perhaps one of the greatest crimes in writing characters in this current time - it's the writing equivalent of the one kid in school who keeps telling everyone that they most definitely can deadlift 500lbs at 10 years old. Why should we cheer for Nomi if she's already this all-powerful Mary Sue? Making the character 'strong' and 'powerful' without flaws only sends the message that women aren't capable of working towards getting powerful and strong, and that women aren't worthy of a real characterization and arc - something that sounds pretty sexist to me.
As someone who likes to create and analyze characters, there is nothing worse than a character being spoon fed and given power willy-nilly. Three dimensional characters earn their power and thus, the audience's love. They don't need to tell you that they are great -they prove it in the film.
Because she has to portray the trauma of knowing
You're right, of course. I'll only lay of the thread anyway, for a while. Until the vitriol cooked by the angst of not being able to point out and control said gaslighting activities dissipates. I wouldn't want to be accused of "spatting the dummy" or having a "woe me" attitude again. Some obvious alienating dynamics, when are not seen and managed by others, irk me to no end, and I do get rattled by that. It's infuriating. And usually social mediums and communities at large are so oblivious to it that they end up protecting and allowing it. But I won't preach. Like I said, I'm exhausted. And I want to enjoy this film as much as I've enjoyed all the others for many decades. So I'll keep more at bay, like yourself and others. Thanks, @peter, dear friend. I'll see you around.
Unnecessarily inflammatory comment. And not the first.
I'd rather you didn't, seriously.
"Our team logged an impressive 948 shipping clearance documents during the production of NO TIME TO DIE"
https://www.notimetodie.dhl/en
NTTD is now the NEXT big-budget release coming to cinemas.
Well, the Taschen book was brought forward to October, but I doubt they'll do that with the film, considering the campaign has November stamped all over it. I wish they did, it would be somewhat of a smart move. That, or relocate it entirely to the Summer of 2021, cause things will get nasty come November.
Do you mean July next year? Who knows, could still happen I guess, although it feels like they're sticking to this one.
Apparently, not anymore...