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If this were 2019, sure. Its not. That is no guarantee anymore. Normal audience size is no guarantee. Not in this day and age. At this point, its an unknown.
Which is why they wait until they can release it safely. See? ;)
That's beyond the point, and its ludicrous to think that a company will continue to push a product back indefinitely, thus continue to lose money during a period of time when the future holds so many unknowns and the financial return even on big franchises is not a guarantee. What if it is still not safe come November 2023 and the vaccine is not effective toward mutant strains? What then? Let it sit on a shelf for 3 or 4 years? Lose even more money? As big as Bond is, there is no guarantee it will make a butt load of cash if people are still uncomfortable being in a closed off and cramped room with dozens of others this time next year even if its 'safe.'
Audiences are being spoiled now with more options. To a fan, sure. Big screen, yay. General audience with kids or busy schedules? Why make the trip anymore when you have a subscription for home viewing? Sure, most will go back to theaters but the hows and whys of what that will be like will likely change. Will it, for the foreseeable future, be simultaneous releases for both theater and home settings? Will it be a significantly shorter window of theatrical exclusivity? Will it be with only a small percentage of seats available? Even if its safe, all three of those highly likely options will take a toll on the money the film makes.
It is not a case of "When its safe, it will release and all will be fine and dandy. Roll on B26." For us its all fine, we can wait it out - life goes on. They are a business that is losing money every day that goes by with an unreleased film. Meanwhile, countries are fumbling the vaccine handout and theater chains are risking closing for good. Some already have. Its dire, honestly, so just expecting everything to be okay as long as we wait it out is laughable.
And frankly, in my own opinion, believing Bond to be a theatrical only experience and believing themselves to be 'above' streaming services is naive and asinine. I have lost count on how many movies I have seen on streaming services that were better than those I have seen theatrically in terms of writing and quality. When even a company as big as Disney is starting to prioritize streaming, get with the program or be left behind.
This is a very undisciplined rant completely irrelevant to anything I've said. Nobody said anything about stuff "being fine and dandy". I don't think anybody considers themselves "above" streaming. I'd be fascinated to hear where you got that idea?
The facts are: Bond doesn't have a streaming service, while it does have an international distribution deal in place. Unless someone agrees to a figure that is acceptable to the powers that be, that is how it will be. If they agreed to a sum below the asking price, then they'd be assured of losing money. A million a month for another eleven months is pennies in comparison.
In comparison to an unknown box office climate where they, and other films, may flop on their face like Tenet... yeah.
You are again skipping over the big problem. Say it releases in November cause its safe; they will likely still be met with smaller seating percentages and shorter exclusivity windows for theaters. That will HIGHLY dent its box office income.
Okay, so we've disproved the competition thing, and you've agreed that the money being lost by a delay is small in comparison with the alternatives. So you're just worried about the box office climate in general now, correct? That's fine. But this is pretty much just a heightened version of the reality the suits who invest their money in the films already deal with, and if they want to wait then they will. They're not exactly oblivious to what other studios are doing. People bring up Disney's move to streaming as if people at EON/MGM/Universal didn't know about it. They do. They likely knew before we did. They could ultimately make a botch job of it (they're human!) but they will make a decision based on information that none of us have access to. Just because Disney is doing it doesn't mean it's the only way.
Disney - rolling in dough through great decisions and blockbuster releases.
MGM - hardly.
If you are betting on MGM to make grand decisions, well, don't know what to tell you. They have only been struggling to stay alive how many years now?
Okay, so now we're talking about MGM. Cool.
What grand decision would you like them to make?
Disney have always been rolling in dough, even before they acquired dozens of well known IPs that have allowed them to do what they're doing now. MGM have Bond and.....? RoboCop? Rocky? The Handmaid's Tale? It's a false equivalency.
Plus the fact that Disney has their own streaming service as well.
An important aspect, for sure. Handy for Disney.
And HBOMax as well. I can understand the call for putting NTTD on a streaming service and cut their losses, it’s one that I’ve previously called for without thinking too much into it. But the issue arises with the rights issues. I know the Comcast platform has all of the Bond films on there, so maybe that could work. Or maybe they could license NTTD out to multiple streaming services at the same time, eliminating the exclusive aspects. But at the same time, if there is yet another delay for NTTD, which seems likely, then if I’ve waited this long for the film already, then I can wait a bit longer.
If a deal was sorted and NTTD was put on to a streaming platform tomorrow I would be over the moon with excitement. If only it were so simple. It may be that simple in the future, but for now it's rock and a hard place time.
I agree, and I say that as someone who absolutely despises everything that Disney has become.
Sadly I agree, I would love nothing more than to be able to watch the film already. Though I will admit, in a strange way, after having been less than excited for NTTD as perhaps I should’ve have been, each delay seems to increase my excitement for the film. Very strange.
Where is this track?
Nice to get little breadcrumbs like this, unfortunately it's pretty unlistenable more than once.
https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/19099/no-time-to-die-production-thread-minor-spoilers-allowed#latest
It's ripped from the podcast with the dialogue removed. It hasn't actually been released yet.
Middle sounds like a TND remix - same riff as Surrender and the tracks that used Surrender as its basis
Last one...This one is new.
Something else as well - the content ID has flagged something as being Back to MI6 from the NTD soundtrack - seems like Youtube has some info! Think anyone could give a snoop about the Hans Zimmer YT page and sniff out some hidden tracks? Being that it was Content ID'd may mean that the entire OST already exists somewhere on YT's servers, and could be weeded out if one were to try hard enough.
I think the last track is Back to MI6 - unless Zimmer has baited us and the middle one with the theme remeniscent of TND makes a surprise entry.
Below are other rips from the podcast, also believed to be from NTTD, slightly cleaner:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/377873771014389771/793662073992380467/NTTD_AUDIO_FILTERED_4.mp3
(Back to MI6 - as ID'd on the video - interesting!)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/377873771014389771/793662073992380467/NTTD_AUDIO_FILTERED_4.mp3
(Unknown - can someone make a burner yt and upload to see if we get a snag from content ID?)
Although it’s very important to us, I guess when you’re looking at making a Bond score quickly the bits with the Bond theme in you might actually worry about less because that’s already been written. Zimmer’s not going to compose the gunbarrel himself when there are new, original bits to be done, and when there are fine examples of gunbarrels which already exist!
True, but the Spectre gunbarrel score is not one of them. The wrong portion of the Bond theme was used for the blood dripping down part, just like in TND and TWINE.
I am tempted to upload them tbh, however i am quite tired rn so maybe later
Now, we wait for Content ID to take the bait and give us names to these tracks....
That one sounds very Arnold to me.