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Honestly speaking, even if it comes out in theaters, there is no way in Hell it makes even close to the amounts of the last or what they are likely hoping for as a return. There is too much backlog at this point with a crap ton of competition and too little spots... especially with Hollywood back to filming on new projects added with the already staggering amount of delayed projects.
Add to that even when virus numbers look well enough to promise some semblance of normality, we have no way of knowing what audience numbers will even look like as we have nothing to compare this to.
That is the real question here is will it all have been a gamble over the same disappointing returns either way with a release now or later. I don't even expect other franchises like MI or Fast 9 to make close to the numbers they are used to even with a delay to 2022.
Its safe to say releasing the film when lockdowns have ended, everyone has been vaccinated, and cinemas are fully open again will give EON a better chance of return, than releasing it during the middle of a pandemic, with half the cinemas closed and lockdowns still enforced across most countries.
Doesn't sound like much of a gamble to me. It's pretty much a no brainer.
That’s THE point.
Except for the fact it is a gamble. This movie HAS to make so much for it to be deemed a success. How do they know when audiences will be fully ready? Just because most are vaccinated and numbers are down with businesses open doesn't equal audience comfortability. So who becomes the guinea pig films? How long do they wait after that point? Can they even risk an even lengthier wait than that financially?
And a couple of MI- movies. For anyone to think that NTTD will be released only when it has a chance of breaking even: it's not going to happen. From your local stores to the entire airline and several other industries, revenues are lost because of Covid-19.
I reckon they realize that there's a certain time to cut your losses and move on. Maybe after postponing for a 10th time or so....
The financial pressure to release in 2021 will be (is) enormous. If the Fall looks like it will work with the Covid vaccines helping societies get back to some form of normality, they will go for it.
https://screenhub.com.au/news-article/features/film/the-conversation/streaming-wars-how-threatening-are-they-really-to-the-film-industry-261728
In an analysis of how threatening streaming is to the future of cinemas, Screen Hub points out that, while cinema has faced many challenges during its existence, the new and ever increasing streaming services have thus far had to face a crisis, threat or challenge.
While PVOD might seem like the easiest short term solution to NTTD's release dilemma, it could just as easily, and knowing MGM's lack of business sense, be a disaster.
They ain't going to release this when the pandemic is in full swing and cinemas are closed, that's for sure. The only time they may release this is when lockdowns are over, vaccinations are well through most of the population, and cinemas are fully open. When that date will be, who knows, but I seriously doubt it will be any time this year.
I hope I'm wrong.
Thanks.
100% true, although I will say, significantly worse things have happened to members of this forum as a result of the virus than just the delay of the film.
This. Really puts the complaining and selfishness into perspective when some members on here have had real, devastating losses due to the pandemic.
I want to be able to see No time to Die in the cinema the way it was intended in honesty.
However, having said that the wait for this has been eventful but it may actually have a worldwide audience inbuilt that would break streaming records. The problem is the diversity of platforms thus reducing the possibility of audience numbers overall.
If they somehow created a non-exclusive deal with Netflix, Amazon, Hula, CBS, Peacock, and HBO all together plus foreign non-English speaking entities to target everyone they would maybe consider it but that is impossible to actually accomplish and charging a flat fee on top of a subscription service is difficult to even integrate.
A worldwide streaming premiere over all platforms on the 2nd of April would be a total event reminiscent of a different era of television for Bond.
We know the final scene is 253 and the movie runs for 2h 43mins so that 163 minutes, multiply by 60 for seconds and divide that by 253 scenes and its an average of 38.6 seconds per scene. So, 155 scenes is about the 1h 40mins mark.
There's a part of me that wonders if EoN are kicking themselves for dragging their heels and waiting for Craig to come back. We could have had Bond number 7 in Bond 25 around 2018/2019.
That's a very good point. With the rise of Netflix and TV series now becoming more popular, and where you find most A list actors heading towards, the traditional Hollywood blockbuster has lost its appeal over the past few years, being taken over by the rise of comic book adaptations, where DC and Marvel now dominate and rule.
I noticed over the past few years there were frequently less films I was wanting to see at the cinema. I stopped buying movie magazines like Empire because every damned month there was another superhero on the front cover. It felt like Hollywood was becoming stale long before Covid hit, and the lure of cinema was already losing its appeal.
Couple this with home TV screens getting bigger and bigger over the years, sound bars and surround sound becoming easier and cheaper to install, and streaming services now the main platform for watching content, its easy to see how Covid is accelerating a trend that was already starting to happen.
The same way the death of the high street has been accelerated by Covid too.
One never knows how feelings change in the future, but I for one am close to being done watching TV all the damn time.
It will take some time yet to feel safe, but going to a concert or a film screening and a bar or restaurant afterwards sounds just about like the best thing in the world to me right now.
I couldn't agree more.
I think if they time it right and release Bond as restrictions are lifted, and inoculations rise, and before other films are released, it might not make $100m in the first weekend but with few if any other movies out, over many weeks it could be the big draw Tenet was supposed to be and we'll see a $1 billion plus worldwide gross.
Where is the clapperboard photo? Like to add it to my current storyboard.
@phantomvices If you mean clapper with scene 155, it's in the clapperboard thread.
+1
I don't.
Maybe that's why they haven't announced a delay yet, they are still weighing up the options.
It's not remotely ideal for Bond to drop straight on top of Mission Impossible 7, especially since they can wait just a couple more months and celebrate the 60th anniversary with the new movie. The marketing pratically writes itself.
November 2021.