NTTD Main Titles & Gunbarrel - Designed by Daniel Kleinman (SPOILERS)

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  • Posts: 7,532
    Mallory wrote: »
    SeanCraig wrote: »
    I just loved the NTTD title sequence! The crazy SPECTRE stuff is now forgotten.

    Since spoilers are allowed: I just *LOVED* the Dr.No dots in the title sequence! Just awesome. It's not better than the ones for SKYFALL but I would rank them second right before CASINO ROYALE (all in the Craig era, that is)

    I am looking forward to seeing NTTD tomorrow again, as the only thing I can remember from the actual titles is the “gun dna strands” and those dots at the beginning, which were a very cool visual.

    I was surprised by the titles, was expecting Kleinman to do the same as SP and SF, but this was quite different. Not as dark, more colour, and the whole sequence flowed better, was going to call for Kleinman to be replaced if we had more of the same from him, but based on these titles, hope he continues as titles designer!
  • I really liked the new gunbarrel - especially how it used the Universal logo. That was a seriously neat touch. I also think the design was somewhat inspired by the Project 007 logo...........

    Project007-hero500.jpg

    The titles were a little disappointing. I couldn't get over quite how 'meh' they were. Some images were evocative and compelling (such as the cogs, the Britannia statute rotting, hourglass). But so much of it felt pared down and uneventful. The titles for SP felt as though Kleinman was throwing everything and the kitchen sink at the screen - it felt gaudy and OTT. This is almost the exact opposite. Also, the part where Safin's mask explodes and we see the close-ups of the woman's body with the poison tattooing her felt like some budget CGI.

    It's a shame as Billie Eilish's song is so good - but Kleinman's images are not elevated by the song. I do think that Kleinman hasn't been on form since his Brosnan days, with SF being his last great title sequence. It was a bit like Binder. He started great, but by the 1980's he had lost his touch. The same is the case here.

    It's time for some new blood.
  • Posts: 2,402
    I really liked the new gunbarrel - especially how it used the Universal logo. That was a seriously neat touch. I also think the design was somewhat inspired by the Project 007 logo...........

    Project007-hero500.jpg

    The titles were a little disappointing. I couldn't get over quite how 'meh' they were. Some images were evocative and compelling (such as the cogs, the Britannia statute rotting, hourglass). But so much of it felt pared down and uneventful. The titles for SP felt as though Kleinman was throwing everything and the kitchen sink at the screen - it felt gaudy and OTT. This is almost the exact opposite. Also, the part where Safin's mask explodes and we see the close-ups of the woman's body with the poison tattooing her felt like some budget CGI.

    It's a shame as Billie Eilish's song is so good - but Kleinman's images are not elevated by the song. I do think that Kleinman hasn't been on form since his Brosnan days, with SF being his last great title sequence. It was a bit like Binder. He started great, but by the 1980's he had lost his touch. The same is the case here.

    It's time for some new blood.

    Like I say, Kleinman had a sincerely terrific run and I think he was the best to ever do this, but I'm also in favour of someone new having a crack at it after a quarter-century. I don't think Kleinman (or anyone) could ever top the Casino Royale titles anyway, so it would be fitting to me if he bows out with Craig.

    I'm also not opposed to using a more modern eight-sided rifling in the gunbarrel as well, nor am I opposed to not fading out the barrel as the dot expands. I loved that illusion of moving out of the barrel like a bullet.
  • There’s a lot to like and a lot to take issue with.

    However the flowers growing inside the woman’s body I took to be the child vowing inside her.
  • imranbecksimranbecks Singapore
    Posts: 984
    No blood flowing down the screen after the gunshot ruined it. There are two versions of the gunbarrel. One with the Universal logo transitioning into the dot that many of us have seen and another one without the Universal logo which looks much more seamless imo.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,201
    I saw a leaked version of the US logo and it had the original lion instead of the CGI one! Did the UK release have a CGI lion?

    This film was produced and meant to be released long before MGM changed their logo. So I guess earlier versions of the film carry the 2012 logo instead of the 2021 logo?
  • Posts: 7,532
    I really liked the new gunbarrel - especially how it used the Universal logo. That was a seriously neat touch. I also think the design was somewhat inspired by the Project 007 logo...........

    Project007-hero500.jpg

    The titles were a little disappointing. I couldn't get over quite how 'meh' they were. Some images were evocative and compelling (such as the cogs, the Britannia statute rotting, hourglass). But so much of it felt pared down and uneventful. The titles for SP felt as though Kleinman was throwing everything and the kitchen sink at the screen - it felt gaudy and OTT. This is almost the exact opposite. Also, the part where Safin's mask explodes and we see the close-ups of the woman's body with the poison tattooing her felt like some budget CGI.

    It's a shame as Billie Eilish's song is so good - but Kleinman's images are not elevated by the song. I do think that Kleinman hasn't been on form since his Brosnan days, with SF being his last great title sequence. It was a bit like Binder. He started great, but by the 1980's he had lost his touch. The same is the case here.

    It's time for some new blood.

    I was saying this after SP, Kleinman was cramming too much into his titles, and they were getting too dark. NTTD, for me, does away with all that, its brighter, more colourful, and I love the nods to DN, and OHMSS! So I would like him to stay on for Bond 26 please!
    Have just noticed, the majority who love the movie, dislike the titles, and those, like myself, love the titles and dislike the movie!!!
    Just read 007 Magazine review, and they follow this trend too!!! ( They favour the latter view!)
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
    Posts: 948
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    I really liked the new gunbarrel - especially how it used the Universal logo. That was a seriously neat touch. I also think the design was somewhat inspired by the Project 007 logo...........

    Project007-hero500.jpg

    The titles were a little disappointing. I couldn't get over quite how 'meh' they were. Some images were evocative and compelling (such as the cogs, the Britannia statute rotting, hourglass). But so much of it felt pared down and uneventful. The titles for SP felt as though Kleinman was throwing everything and the kitchen sink at the screen - it felt gaudy and OTT. This is almost the exact opposite. Also, the part where Safin's mask explodes and we see the close-ups of the woman's body with the poison tattooing her felt like some budget CGI.

    It's a shame as Billie Eilish's song is so good - but Kleinman's images are not elevated by the song. I do think that Kleinman hasn't been on form since his Brosnan days, with SF being his last great title sequence. It was a bit like Binder. He started great, but by the 1980's he had lost his touch. The same is the case here.

    It's time for some new blood.

    I was saying this after SP, Kleinman was cramming too much into his titles, and they were getting too dark. NTTD, for me, does away with all that, its brighter, more colourful, and I love the nods to DN, and OHMSS! So I would like him to stay on for Bond 26 please!
    Have just noticed, the majority who love the movie, dislike the titles, and those, like myself, love the titles and dislike the movie!!!
    Just read 007 Magazine review, and they follow this trend too!!! ( They favour the latter view!)

    Interesting. Though I didn't actively hate the film, I'm one of those who enjoys it steadily less once they get to London and I'm not a fan of some of the plotting. And I really liked the credits. I remember thinking that they were referencing the previous credits of the Craig era, and wondered how they would fit sand (from QoS) into the equation... just as the car hit the bottom and was swallowed up by the sand on the seabed.
  • Posts: 7,532
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    I really liked the new gunbarrel - especially how it used the Universal logo. That was a seriously neat touch. I also think the design was somewhat inspired by the Project 007 logo...........

    Project007-hero500.jpg

    The titles were a little disappointing. I couldn't get over quite how 'meh' they were. Some images were evocative and compelling (such as the cogs, the Britannia statute rotting, hourglass). But so much of it felt pared down and uneventful. The titles for SP felt as though Kleinman was throwing everything and the kitchen sink at the screen - it felt gaudy and OTT. This is almost the exact opposite. Also, the part where Safin's mask explodes and we see the close-ups of the woman's body with the poison tattooing her felt like some budget CGI.

    It's a shame as Billie Eilish's song is so good - but Kleinman's images are not elevated by the song. I do think that Kleinman hasn't been on form since his Brosnan days, with SF being his last great title sequence. It was a bit like Binder. He started great, but by the 1980's he had lost his touch. The same is the case here.

    It's time for some new blood.

    I was saying this after SP, Kleinman was cramming too much into his titles, and they were getting too dark. NTTD, for me, does away with all that, its brighter, more colourful, and I love the nods to DN, and OHMSS! So I would like him to stay on for Bond 26 please!
    Have just noticed, the majority who love the movie, dislike the titles, and those, like myself, love the titles and dislike the movie!!!
    Just read 007 Magazine review, and they follow this trend too!!! ( They favour the latter view!)

    Interesting. Though I didn't actively hate the film, I'm one of those who enjoys it steadily less once they get to London and I'm not a fan of some of the plotting. And I really liked the credits. I remember thinking that they were referencing the previous credits of the Craig era, and wondered how they would fit sand (from QoS) into the equation... just as the car hit the bottom and was swallowed up by the sand on the seabed.

    Yes, liked that part with DB5!
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited October 2021 Posts: 4,343
    The statue featured in the titles is Britannia right?
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 6,710
    matt_u wrote: »
    The statue featured in the titles is Britannia right?

    Yes, with the trident. Only good symbolism in the film, IMO. If they'd make it front and center, and not ape other previous films symbolisms, I would have prefer it.
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 3,164
    I saw a leaked version of the US logo and it had the original lion instead of the CGI one! Did the UK release have a CGI lion?

    This film was produced and meant to be released long before MGM changed their logo. So I guess earlier versions of the film carry the 2012 logo instead of the 2021 logo?

    UK release had the CGI lion. The *actual* US release next week should also be the CGI lion but yes, some countries have 2020 versions of the film with the 2012 logo (due to dubbing and other localisation which was done last year - I bet 3D versions will also have the older logo across the board) - that applies for both markets where it's Universal (with the logo turning into the big white dot) and third party distributors (where it's just MGM going to black)
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    I'm a big fan of Daniel Kleinman's Titles, but was a little disappointed in his
    Work for NTTD. A few good uses of symbolism but not as good as his past
    work, in my opinion.
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 6,710
    Liked two motifs, the Britannia trident statue and the guns shooting and making DNA strands. Not the rest, really. All fairly poor.

    And the last gunbarrel I liked was in 1999. That's saying something.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,230
    The issue I have with Kleinman's titles in the last three films is that they have stylistically started to blur into each other. Whether that is intentional or not, I don't know, but it's not for me. In the case of GE, TND, TWINE, DAD (for all its faults) and CR, they are very unique to the previous titles. Even QoS has a different style that makes it stand out, whether you like it or not.
  • Posts: 6,710
    The issue I have with Kleinman's titles in the last three films is that they have stylistically started to blur into each other. Whether that is intentional or not, I don't know, but it's not for me. In the case of GE, TND, TWINE, DAD (for all its faults) and CR, they are very unique to the previous titles. Even QoS has a different style that makes it stand out, whether you like it or not.

    That's very true. And one should go into it completely not knowing or being abe to predict what is going to show up. Just like in the 60s: Coloured dots, letters projected onto naked women, projections of images onto women, shadows firing,... All very different, all very creative.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    The gunbarrel was a bit different, but fine. I really dug the main titles, and loved how it incorporated motives and elements from many earlier entries.
  • RyanRyan Canada
    Posts: 692
    I got the Universal logo here in Canada, which was odd because I thought I was getting the MGM/UA on this side of the pond (unless I've got it backwards). Nevertheless, I thought the transition was kind of cool. Different, but not bad. I also liked the uniqueness of it and felt the icy face into the opening shot was cool and made sense. The red blood likely would have looked off fading into the whiteness so I was good with it. Daniel's best walk on, turn, and shoot too to my eyes (although CR remains my favourite final pose).

    I'm seeing the film again tonight so I'm going to pay more attention to the main titles as they are just a blur right now, but I liked the sequence more than SPECTRE's titles at the very least.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 2021 Posts: 16,574
    I loved the new gunbarrel (apart from the Universal logo dot which threw me a bit; maybe it'll be fine the second time). It was stark and simple and effective, and the way it opened onto the film with the image of the film reflecting onto the walls of the gunbarrel itself was brilliant- I'd like that to stay please. Of course it should open out onto the film by our point of view tracking along to the end of the barrel, it seems so obvious in retrospect.
    Bond himself disappearing by losing focus was great, I didn't mind the lack of blood at all. No wobble either? It was like Kleinman had distilled all that was good about the gunbarrel into its purest form. All good from me.

    I enjoyed the titles a lot and liked the way they told a bit of story (opening with Bond dumping the wrecked DB5 into the sea, ending with him spearfishing in Jamaica) and the idea of a DNA helix made of little guns was so wonderfully tongue-in-cheek Bondy that it made me laugh.
    I need to see it again because of course just like any Kleinman it's so dense and wonderfully packed with ideas. I thought there were a few OHMSS nods in there, plus the trident which very nicely hinted towards Bond's icon on MI6's tracking screen.
    So glad to see these in IMAX format too: please release the home video version in full format, Universal.

    As per usual you can depend on Kleinman: Eon's MVP for the last 25 years.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,588
    I'd really love a high-res image of that PPK Double Helix imagery from the title sequence. My dream would be for them to use that imagery for the steelbook release of the film.
  • Posts: 7,532
    I'd really love a high-res image of that PPK Double Helix imagery from the title sequence. My dream would be for them to use that imagery for the steelbook release of the film.

    Yes, that was a cool part of the titles! Kleinman seems to be getting a bad rap for this title sequence, but I think he was back on form after the rather overblown dark credits for SF/SP! Am glad he decided to use some colour again like CR!
    Loved the image of the hourglass too! This was one nod to OHMSS that I liked!
  • Posts: 16,204
    I loved the gunbarrel and titles. I've only seen the film once so far, so hard to really critique the title sequence.
    Honestly, the lack of blood didn't bother me. I don't think the blood has been properly or traditionally represented in the Craig films. Plops down too fast in all of them where it should ooze. In addition, in QoS and SF looks more like strawberry jam then blood.
  • Posts: 380
    Craig has by far the worst gunbarrel walk of any Bond actor. It always looks like the film has been sped up his walk is far to fast. Pretty much all his gunbarrels have been rubbish and this one is no better. At least it's on the front of the film I guess.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,588
    cooperman2 wrote: »
    Craig has by far the worst gunbarrel walk of any Bond actor. It always looks like the film has been sped up his walk is far to fast. Pretty much all his gunbarrels have been rubbish and this one is no better. At least it's on the front of the film I guess.

    I only agree re: QoS.
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
    Posts: 3,022
    Anyday now they should post the main titles.

    On 007's channels or Kleinman's company >

    https://www.rattlingstick.com/film-tv/
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,588
    His website is so cool! Can't wait for high-res titles sequence release.
  • RyanRyan Canada
    Posts: 692
    I took in more of the main titles on tonight's viewing and I thought they were brilliant. Just enough call backs to provide some fan service while not being overly derivative. It's a nice blend and fits well with the song. The song is quickly ranking as one of my favourite Bond songs overall. Probably my second favourite Kleinman titles after CR.
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 1,976
    I really like the gun barrel. Defiantly my favorite of the Craig movies. I loved how the universal logo leads right into the dots of the gun barrel. Its also the only gun barrel of the Craig films that has the circle to open out and open the film. The main titles I thought were great has will. With the roman statues falling, time passing through the glass, and the DNA strain. All of which ties into Craigs Bond story and the current story as well. I also loved how the titles opens up playing honor to the Dr. No title sequences.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,588
    For me I think it falls third after CR and SP. I too liked the incorporation of the Universal logo, and liked how it reflected the first scene of the film as it opened into it.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited October 2021 Posts: 8,201
    I’m a yank, so I did not have a Universal logo on my screening. I wonder if that will survive into the home video front in some region.

    My ranking of Craig gun barrels:

    1. SP - I love how Bond becomes a silhouette after shooting, I hoped that would become a mainstay.
    2. NTTD - though I miss the blood, I do like how the iris opens up by “traveling” down the barrel of the gun.
    3. CR - Actually the best stance. Not crazy about the barrel design.
    4. SF - not sure why the design looks like a vinyl record
    5. QOS - looks so cheap and plays way too fast.

    All that said, I like that Craig reshot the gun barrel for each film rather than just rely on old stock footage. It was always weird seeing Brosnan’s in DAD because he no longer had that poofy haircut of his by that point.
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