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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,257
    They can cast a pineapple as Bond and I'll still watch the film -- unlike some who refused to see NTTD but had lots to say about it. I'm not the type to start wars over something. However, my preferences regarding the actor playing Bond are my own and I will take crap from no one, left, right, upstairs, downstairs, and everything in between. It's nothing political and it says nothing about me apart from how I take my Bond.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    edited December 22 Posts: 9,085
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    This is a very left leaning board from what I've been reading over the years.
    I don't know but suppose you are from the U.S.? I can see why you would consider the average guy on this board to be "very left leaning" then. I can assure you, however, that most of us Europeans are likely to be very mainstream and middle-of-the-road, if not downright conservative in our societies. I couldn't think of anyone here who expressed even socialist thoughts...again, from the prevailing view around here in Europe. And nobody was ever torn to threads on this board for differing views, unless they are expressed in racist or similar terms.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,606
    Yeah I’ve thought that Bind fandom tends to lean towards the conservative (small c) which is kind of understandable considering the character and the type of things he does.
    Bond himself always fights for the wood-panelled, suit and tie way of life against modernist lair-living, nehru-collared villains who want to change the world, so it makes sense for the fandom to align with that.

    I could imagine Bond being a Tory voter, could be an interesting thread to see what others think. Or maybe if there are other similar choices Bond would make which we could speculate on.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    edited 12:03am Posts: 12,522
    I’ve always imagined Bond being more or less apolitical. I just don’t imagine he cares that much. Right wingers and left wingers alike would whine about his ways of living, after all, and how immoral he is. He could well be one of those “they’re all idiots” kind of guys, regarding feelings of people on the political spectrum. I personally think it’s a bit shortsighted to always play the “both sides” game (it’s applicable sometimes, but not nearly always), but I could see Bond maybe being this way. At the end of the day, he’s a blunt instrument, and just trying to indulge in fun things while battling the forces of evil, and I don’t think he has time for or interest in politics.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,926
    I'd prefer the established Bond character continue as something different from the rest, likely more different as time goes by.

    Rather than the character be changed to be more like others, living or fictional.


  • ColonelAdamskiColonelAdamski UK
    edited 12:52am Posts: 1,087
    FoxRox wrote: »
    At the end of the day, he’s a blunt instrument, and just trying to indulge in fun things while battling the forces of evil, and I don’t think he has time for or interest in politics.

    I think you're right, he probably wouldn't follow politics and have opinions on what goes on in Parliament. But I think his background, the schools he attended, his military service etc, has always made him what we'd term a right-wing kind of person.

    Perhaps some brave person could indeed start a thread on James Bond's politics?

  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    edited 12:59am Posts: 5,482
    I have gone ahead and created a politics of James Bond thread @ColonelAdamski and @mtm and anyone else who may wish to put some well considered thoughts on it.

    https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/21640/governments-change-the-lies-stay-the-same-the-politics-of-james-bond#latest
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited 1:20am Posts: 4,303
    Edited, added to the new thread
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,830
    007HallY wrote: »
    I’d say Fleming’s Bond had a tendency towards cynicism which actually made him quite radical in his outlook (ie. His thoughts about the ‘Red Indians’ in CR and him thinking ‘prohibition is the trigger of crime’ in relation to drug policing at the beginning of GF). But ultimately he was a blunt instrument. From what I understand Fleming’s own political views weren’t straightforwardly right wing anyway.

    I’m not sure Bond’s world view in either the books or films bears much resemblance to the modern day right. Certainly not in terms of basic economics. Bond stories often feature wealthy megalomaniac villains who believe they’re extraordinary enough to do evil things, whereas Bond does what he does out of a deeper sense of duty, morality, selflessness, and bravery. It’s conservative in a sense (albeit small c) but I don’t see it being a partisan series in this way, and ultimately I think Bond is in many ways separate from politics.

    Wow, that's a really good analysis IMHO!
  • 007HallY007HallY
    Posts: 4,303
    chrisisall wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I’d say Fleming’s Bond had a tendency towards cynicism which actually made him quite radical in his outlook (ie. His thoughts about the ‘Red Indians’ in CR and him thinking ‘prohibition is the trigger of crime’ in relation to drug policing at the beginning of GF). But ultimately he was a blunt instrument. From what I understand Fleming’s own political views weren’t straightforwardly right wing anyway.

    I’m not sure Bond’s world view in either the books or films bears much resemblance to the modern day right. Certainly not in terms of basic economics. Bond stories often feature wealthy megalomaniac villains who believe they’re extraordinary enough to do evil things, whereas Bond does what he does out of a deeper sense of duty, morality, selflessness, and bravery. It’s conservative in a sense (albeit small c) but I don’t see it being a partisan series in this way, and ultimately I think Bond is in many ways separate from politics.

    Wow, that's a really good analysis IMHO!

    Thanks. I actually popped it in @thedove’s new thread for relevancy/to get it going, but it’s basically the same.
  • ArapahoeBondFanArapahoeBondFan Colorado
    edited 2:18am Posts: 71
    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah I’ve thought that Bind fandom tends to lean towards the conservative (small c) which is kind of understandable considering the character and the type of things he does.
    Bond himself always fights for the wood-panelled, suit and tie way of life against modernist lair-living, nehru-collared villains who want to change the world, so it makes sense for the fandom to align with that.

    I could imagine Bond being a Tory voter, could be an interesting thread to see what others think. Or maybe if there are other similar choices Bond would make which we could speculate on.

    Not according to Charlie Higson. But I may have misread some statements from him in the book.
  • HitchBondUSAHitchBondUSA USA
    edited 2:34am Posts: 135
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    They can cast a pineapple as Bond and I'll still watch the film -- unlike some who refused to see NTTD but had lots to say about it. I'm not the type to start wars over something. However, my preferences regarding the actor playing Bond are my own and I will take crap from no one, left, right, upstairs, downstairs, and everything in between. It's nothing political and it says nothing about me apart from how I take my Bond.

    Lol a pineapple haha 😄 😆 🤣 what about a mango from a mango tree? (Honey Rider)*
  • CrabKeyCrabKey
    Posts: 2,027
    Should Bond start playing for the other team, will we see Bond boys instead of Bond girls? And what about those suggestive names? Will there be a male equivalent of Pussy Galore. Dr. Goodhead seems likely. Lots of interesting changes could be on the horizon.
  • DewiWynBondDewiWynBond
    Posts: 981
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Should Bond start playing for the other team, will we see Bond boys instead of Bond girls? And what about those suggestive names? Will there be a male equivalent of Pussy Galore. Dr. Goodhead seems likely. Lots of interesting changes could be on the horizon.

    Not a solely gay man, but why not bisexual. If he has to kiss a bloke for a mission, he's had that training! He's a master seducer after all. It's like an extra weapon.
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