007 heading to streaming? Amazon buys MGM for $8.45 billion!

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  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited June 2021 Posts: 4,247
    The Amazon deal means the casting of Bond 7 and the production of Bond 26 might happen sooner than we originally anticipated.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Escalus5 wrote: »
    Disney would have totally blocked that Silva scene from being shot.

    It's interesting that Logan makes a point of patting himself on the back for that scene, when Paul Haggis and Martin Campbell had already used a subtly gay villain (Le Chiffre) in CR. The torture scene in that film is far more daring than anything in SKYFALL.

    Plus, after having written that intro as a kind of seduction scene, Logan then did... absolutely nothing with Silva's sexuality for the remainder of the script. The character becomes an asexual Joker/Hannibal Lecter hybrid.

    More daring? I don’t think most people picked up on that aspect in CR, as that’s more subtextual. SF straight up having Silva caressing Bond’s legs and undoing his shirt, along with Bond’s “what makes you think this is my first time?” got a LOT more people talking.

    For CR it was mainly guys talking about how they squirmed in the theater at Bond getting his balls smashed.
  • Posts: 12,837
    mtm wrote: »
    The only big studio I’d be really worried about getting Bond is Disney, because of how homogenised their films are and their production line, milk it dry approach.

    Although I must admit I probably could have taken a little more milking of Indiana Jones than one film after nine years! :D

    Yeah to be fair I am surprised it’s taken them this long haha. I think it’s just taken them a while to figure out what to do with it. I read that there were script disputes holding it up, because the writer was finding it difficult keeping Spielberg, Ford and Disney all happy. And then Spielberg deciding not to direct after all probably threw another wrench in things.

    My bet, since they’ve emphasised this is the “final film”, is that Waller Bridge’s character will be spun off into the lead of a new franchise at the end, and we’ll see films in that universe more regularly from then on. Could be wrong but I really can’t see them just leaving it be after the next one.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    I personally never considered Le Chiffre to be gay.

    Also, considering Silva, as much as I love Skyfall and I really do, if given more time with him, it would've been nice to have seen more of Silva's flamboyance. I do like the subtlety, like in the way he talks and dresses (especially his first outfit), but I would've loved a bit more.
  • In an alternate universe Le Chiffre and Silva could have been this generations Wint and Kidd.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    In an alternate universe Le Chiffre and Silva could have been this generations Wint and Kidd.

    Well, they were both henchmen for Blofeld and Spectre.
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    More daring? I don’t think most people picked up on that aspect in CR, as that’s more subtextual.

    Come on. Audiences are more intelligent than that.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yeah I think they packed a lot of meaning into Le Chiffre’s line there: I thought it was really well done and I’m sure most people picked up on that, it was pretty clear.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Escalus5 wrote: »
    More daring? I don’t think most people picked up on that aspect in CR, as that’s more subtextual.

    Come on. Audiences are more intelligent than that.

    We’re they as dismissive of SF as you are?
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Escalus5 wrote: »
    Disney would have totally blocked that Silva scene from being shot.

    It's interesting that Logan makes a point of patting himself on the back for that scene, when Paul Haggis and Martin Campbell had already used a subtly gay villain (Le Chiffre) in CR. The torture scene in that film is far more daring than anything in SKYFALL.

    Plus, after having written that intro as a kind of seduction scene, Logan then did... absolutely nothing with Silva's sexuality for the remainder of the script. The character becomes an asexual Joker/Hannibal Lecter hybrid.

    The torture scene in CR came from source material.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Oh I don’t think so: Mikkleson is doing something very intentional and subtle there.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited June 2021 Posts: 5,970
    I mean a lot of men straight or otherwise take notice of men’s physique…

    Le Chiffre could even have just been slightly bitter about it.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited June 2021 Posts: 18,338
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Not the line “You take care of your body.” Still, I think some of this is finding more than was intended.,

    Indeed, and there was no subtext in the original source novel about Le Chiffre being a homosexual and being attracted to Bond. Quite the opposite in fact as he was a pimp with a chain of brothels and had a "large sexual appetite" for women. As you say, a case of looking for more than is there on the page or in this case the film script. Silva is a different matter as was the Scaramanga of the original TMWTGG novel.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited June 2021 Posts: 5,970
    The only other villain, in the Craig-era, at least, I thought might have been gay was Elvis. And with Silva, it was seemingly more bisexual, as he'd obviously had relations with Severine but was attracted to James Bond.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited June 2021 Posts: 8,230
    Denbigh wrote: »
    The only other villain I thought might have been gay was Elvis.

    There was some behaviour/body language from Elvis in QoS that stood out and was never elaborated on. The scene where he gazes fondly at the opera is an example.
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Not the line “You take care of your body.” Still, I think some of this is finding more than was intended.

    Yeah, I think so. It may have some implications but I never took it as anything other than mind games on Le Chiffre's part. A tease that Bond is now exposed and at his mercy; his life now in his hands. After all the work Bond put in to taking care of himself, it would be a shame to have to cut his body up. Also, as @Denbigh mentioned, there's maybe a little envy.

    I completely understand why a different reading might come out of it, though.

    Similar to Silva, I always thought these were unnerving tactics rather than genuine advances. Unlike Mr. Wint and Mr. Kidd, whose orientation is hammered home to us, the others have moments but those moments are fleeting and tactical.

    Of course, us even being here and talking about it shows that it worked!
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    I still think Elvis could have been a really cool henchman if given way more to do.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    I still think Elvis could have been a really cool henchman if given way more to do.

    I think he was quirky and different enough from previous henchmen in that he's incompetent and kind of still training on the job that he's woefully unqualified to do. It does make a refreshing change from the henchman who is super efficient and a real threat to Bond. In a way it harks back to Fleming where some of the henchmen were rather easily dispatched and made a very short and unremarkable appearance. I'm particularly thinking of Tee Hee in Live and Let Die who Bond kills fairly quickly and Vargas in Thunderball who both only made fleeting appearances in their novels compared with their film incarnations.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Greene quite literally man-handling Elvis into standing and waiting for Bond in the Perla De Las Dunas hotel always makes me laugh. Between that and being blindsided by Fields, the poor lad never stood a chance.

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  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited June 2021 Posts: 5,970
    Completely @Dragonpol, I just would've loved more of it haha, and given how short QoS actually is, it's even more frustrating :D
    #ReleaseTheElvisCut
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited June 2021 Posts: 16,574
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Not the line “You take care of your body.” Still, I think some of this is finding more than was intended.,

    Indeed, and there was no subtext in the original source novel about Le Chiffre being a homosexual and being attracted to Bond. Quite the opposite in fact as he was a pimp with a chain of brothels and had a "large sexual appetite" for women. As you say, a case of looking for more than is there on the page or in thus case the film script. Silva is a different matter as was the Scaramanga of the original TMWTGG novel.

    There’s quite a lot in the movie which wasn’t in the book though. In this case it’s right there on the screen.
    It’s a weird thing for him to say, and then after that he seems a little obsessed with Bond’s manhood: first smashing it and then he moves to trying to cut it off. Something of the psychopath destroying what he wants but can’t have.
    Denbigh wrote: »
    The only other villain, in the Craig-era, at least, I thought might have been gay was Elvis.

    Yes that’s a good point, there are a few longing looks there from him.
    I think Elvis most of all represents what a mess that film was. It’s never really clear what the joke is supposed to be with him, or rather it never actually arrives. Clearly the director wanted to do something with him, but we end up barely seeing him and being a bit confused every time he does something weird. Like the wig thing.. it doesn’t really function as a joke the way it’s cut- it cuts away so quickly it’s hard to tell what we even saw!
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited June 2021 Posts: 18,338
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Completely @Dragonpol, I just would've loved more of it haha, and given how short QoS actually is, it's even more frustrating :D
    #ReleaseTheElvisCut

    Indeed, Elvis left the building too soon and we didn't see enough of him before he did. Maybe there were some cut scenes that featured him? Hard to know as they've never released any cut scenes with the DVD.
    mtm wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Not the line “You take care of your body.” Still, I think some of this is finding more than was intended.,

    Indeed, and there was no subtext in the original source novel about Le Chiffre being a homosexual and being attracted to Bond. Quite the opposite in fact as he was a pimp with a chain of brothels and had a "large sexual appetite" for women. As you say, a case of looking for more than is there on the page or in thus case the film script. Silva is a different matter as was the Scaramanga of the original TMWTGG novel.

    There’s quite a lot in the movie which wasn’t in the book though. In this case it’s right there on the screen.
    It’s a weird thing for him to say, and then after that he seems a little obsessed with Bond’s manhood: first smashing it and then he moves to trying to cut it off. Something of the psychopath destroying what he wants but can’t have.
    Denbigh wrote: »
    The only other villain, in the Craig-era, at least, I thought might have been gay was Elvis.

    Yes that’s a good point, there are a few longing looks there from him.
    I think Elvis most of all represents what a mess that film was. It’s never really clear what the joke is supposed to be with him, or rather it never actually arrives. Clearly the director wanted to do something with him, but we end up barely seeing him and being a bit confused every time he does something weird. Like the wig thing.. it doesn’t really function as a joke the way it’s cut- it cuts away so quickly it’s hard to tell what we even saw!

    Hmm. You know, I could really do with rewatching all of the Craig Bond era again then. I've not seen each of them enough times yet to pick up on any nuances that may exist. I'll certainly keep an eye out for this the next time I watch Casino Royale.

    I agree about the wig thing. In fact when I first saw QoS in the cinema in 2008 I didn't even notice that his wig had come off. It was my friend who pointed it out afterwards. I'm glad that I'm not the only one who missed it initially then!
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited June 2021 Posts: 5,970
    Did anyone else think Elvis and Greene were related?

    Even though nowhere in the film is it hinted at that that's the case.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited June 2021 Posts: 14,662
    I thought it was documented somewhere that Elvis was Greene's nephew.

    Correction: just read this on James Bond wiki:
    On creating a background for the character, both actors Mathieu Amalric and Anatole Taubman came up with the backstory of Elvis being Greene's cousin who was rescued from the streets by Greene himself, making him his right-hand man and bodyguard
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited June 2021 Posts: 18,338
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Did anyone else think Elvis and Greene were related?

    Even though nowhere in the film is it hinted at that that's the case.

    Yes, I've read in the kind of press release that came with the film that they're meant to be cousins and this was the only reason Greene employed Elvis. It's not mentioned in the film itself of course but it is a nice little contextual detail through which to view their relationship. It helps tie up a few little loose ends in the story.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Did anyone else think Elvis and Greene were related?

    Even though nowhere in the film is it hinted at that that's the case.

    Yes, I've read in the kind of press release that came with the film that they're meant to be cousins and this was the only reason Greene employed Elvis. Its not mentioned in the film itself of course but it is a nice little contextual detail through which to view their relationship. it helps tie up a few little loose ends in the story.

    I never knew that. It does explain a lot!
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited June 2021 Posts: 5,970
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Did anyone else think Elvis and Greene were related?

    Even though nowhere in the film is it hinted at that that's the case.

    Yes, I've read in the kind of press release that came with the film that they're meant to be cousins and this was the only reason Greene employed Elvis. Its not mentioned in the film itself of course but it is a nice little contextual detail through which to view their relationship. it helps tie up a few little loose ends in the story.
    Yeah, it definitely just seemed like that's the only way Elvis was involved in all this because he was really Greene's "whatever" that he likes to look after.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    QBranch wrote: »
    I thought it was documented somewhere that Elvis was Greene's nephew.

    Correction: just read this on James Bond wiki:
    On creating a background for the character, both actors Mathieu Amalric and Anatole Taubman came up with the backstory of Elvis being Greene's cousin who was rescued from the streets by Greene himself, making him his right-hand man and bodyguard

    Yes, I was just about to quote that but you beat me to it! It's nice that the actors were invested enough in their roles to have this "buy in" to the relationship between the main villain and his henchman. Sometimes actors need this kind of connection to really get under the skin of their characters and bring them to life. Sadly, like much else in QoS, a lot of the detail is off the page or rather off the screen. It does work on a kind of mildly expanded universe sort of sense though. I like those little additional off-stage details.
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    Nothing to do with Amazon/MGM, but the conversation above reminds me how remarkably many henchmen/secondary villains there are serving the plots of the early Craig films have: White, Obanno, Mollaka, Dimitrios, Carlos, Valenka, Kratt, Gettler, Mitchell, Slate, Elvis, Medrano, Beam, Lt. Orso, the police colonel, Haines and his bodyguard, Yousef, etc. Quantum's HR department must've been very busy!
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    I understand how warm and fuzzy the family feel must be, and the continuity of Cubbys legacy and approach, but the fact is, imo, we’ve had three outstanding films in thirty years.

    I don’t really think of eon as particularly capable anymore - or more so than a regular studio model
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited June 2021 Posts: 5,970
    Matt007 wrote: »
    ...we’ve had three outstanding films in thirty years.
    Well firstly that's more based on personal opinion, and whatever your opinion of the films, both Brosnan and Craig helped rejuvenate the franchise, with both becoming iconic actors in the role almost immediately.

    Also, within that thirty years, whether people like them or not, they've managed to keep the franchise going despite everything, and have had nine very popular films come out between now and 1991 in an industry that has changed so significantly since then and it's still going. What other franchises can also say they've achieved that without having had taken a long break when those other franchises had seemingly ended? Bond has never stopped.
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