007 heading to streaming? Amazon buys MGM for $8.45 billion!

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  • Posts: 4,310
    Agreed about Bond’s age in CR. If anything making Bond younger (even 28) would have probably required a bit more explanation and may have impacted the writing. As it is Craig was about the age we typically associate Bond as being, and the character was a seasoned professional who’d recently gotten to the highest field agent position in MI6.

    Anyway, preserving strict continuity is an overrated concept. It is in filmmaking in general. I personally wouldn’t want them to backtrack on the ending of NTTD because of that, just like how I wouldn’t have wanted them to rewrite OHMSS to account for Bond meeting Blofeld in YOLT. I think a fresh start is more beneficial for Bond 26, and OHMSS is all the better for its decision. Hell, even some of the ‘retcons’ in the Craig era are for dramatic storytelling reasons (ie. Madeline’s mother being killed by Safin whereas in SP White seems to imply she left him). Just tell the most interesting story and don’t worry about any of us trying to nitpick the logic. Most audiences don’t care.
  • edited December 23 Posts: 1,462
    Barbara wants control, that's all. Of course they knew they had to do a reboot. I don't think they need help hiring a controversial actor. They already have experience in that.

    ;)

    Anyway It's not that they have stopped being populist filmmakers. There are creative differences...

  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,231
    Continuity wasn’t even that much of a priority with the 1962-2002 films because they were largely standalone entries with very rare references to one another. That’s partly why those films were so successful too. When audiences went to see any Bond film, that could essentially serve as their very first Bond film. When TND came out there was no need to try to catch up to all then 17 films beforehand. The Craig films of course changed that, but since they came out at a time when Bond films were more accessible than ever before, and its limited to five films, that’s not an overwhelming amount to try to catch up.

    And now Eon has another opportunity to make a new film that will effectively be a first Bond film for a new generation of audiences.
  • NoTimeToLiveNoTimeToLive Jamaica
    edited December 23 Posts: 107
    bondywondy wrote: »
    There is no plan in place for a reboot. Nothing.

    Also, since NTTD was completed three Sonic The Hedgehog films have been released. I mention that fact because the original 2020 release date of NTTD was February 14th 2020, the same release date of Sonic The Hedgehog 1.

    Well yes, but they're also awful. I would rather watch the 60s Casino Royale or Die Another Day than watch either Sonic movie again.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,624
    Continuity wasn’t even that much of a priority with the 1962-2002 films because they were largely standalone entries with very rare references to one another. That’s partly why those films were so successful too. When audiences went to see any Bond film, that could essentially serve as their very first Bond film. When TND came out there was no need to try to catch up to all then 17 films beforehand. The Craig films of course changed that, but since they came out at a time when Bond films were more accessible than ever before, and its limited to five films, that’s not an overwhelming amount to try to catch up.

    And now Eon has another opportunity to make a new film that will effectively be a first Bond film for a new generation of audiences.

    Yes, and even by the point of NTTD, how much is there to pick up on? Bond has retired to be with his love and Blofeld is in prison after Bond captured him. It’s not really overwhelming to someone who didn’t see Spectre as its all presented to you and not hard to follow. Oh and Bond had a love called Vesper who died, but I reckon a lot of people would remember CR.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited December 23 Posts: 4,703
    bondywondy wrote: »
    There is no plan in place for a reboot. Nothing.

    Also, since NTTD was completed three Sonic The Hedgehog films have been released. I mention that fact because the original 2020 release date of NTTD was February 14th 2020, the same release date of Sonic The Hedgehog 1.

    Well yes, but they're also awful. I would rather watch the 60s Casino Royale or Die Another Day than watch either Sonic movie again.

    Well, to each their own. I'm thankful for the families that go to the theaters for Sonic. Also, most video game movies aren't that good. Sonic is rare in that sense. Plus, it feels like the old Jim Carrey is back. One of his better performances in recent years. And a lot of people go to see Kenau Reeves movies simply because of how nice he is to everyone. A lot of kids are going to see presents under the tree this year probably because of him.

    As for Bond and Amazon, it seems that IFP has followed their wants for spinoffs. I don't know how this will play out. It'll be interesting, and we're truly seeing history unfold before us. I agree with Barbara and EON that Bond (movies, at least) ALWAYS deserve time at a public cinema. Maybe Amazon doesn't want Purvis and Wade writing another script? Just joking, everyone ;) they'll always be rumors.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    bondywondy wrote: »
    There is no plan in place for a reboot. Nothing.

    Also, since NTTD was completed three Sonic The Hedgehog films have been released. I mention that fact because the original 2020 release date of NTTD was February 14th 2020, the same release date of Sonic The Hedgehog 1.

    Well yes, but they're also awful. I would rather watch the 60s Casino Royale or Die Another Day than watch either Sonic movie again.

    Amen to that. Please don't watch Knuckles, either. That TV series is even worse.

    Also, why should we care? I can go to MacDonalds for a tasteless meal that's high on calories and low on nutrition. But hey, at least they throw that garbage on a hot plate faster than you can eat it. Instead, I prefer a meal that takes time to be properly prepared, with ingredients fresh from the market, hand-picked by the chef himself. I cannot just walk into the restaurant and expect to have it ready, but it'll be worth the wait. Yes, we used to get a Bond film every one or two years. Things were different then.
  • Posts: 4,310
    Continuity wasn’t even that much of a priority with the 1962-2002 films because they were largely standalone entries with very rare references to one another. That’s partly why those films were so successful too. When audiences went to see any Bond film, that could essentially serve as their very first Bond film. When TND came out there was no need to try to catch up to all then 17 films beforehand. The Craig films of course changed that, but since they came out at a time when Bond films were more accessible than ever before, and its limited to five films, that’s not an overwhelming amount to try to catch up.

    And now Eon has another opportunity to make a new film that will effectively be a first Bond film for a new generation of audiences.

    I’d say the Craig films are a lot like the 60s films. They have overarching threads and even stories which carry over from film to film but are separate adventures. Continuity wise it’s not strict though, and on an individual film basis it doesn’t have to be airtight. Bond can, in one film, claim he visited Japan years ago, and in another say he’s never been there previously. So long as the stories work for the individual films.

    I do find it interesting that the biggest plot hole of the 60s films - namely the Blofeld not recognising Bond in OHMSS - came from Peter Hunt, an editor in his earlier career. A lot of Hunt’s editing work on Bond, like most great editors, isn’t heavy on continuity and prioritises storytelling (there’s all kinds of continuity ‘mistakes’ in the 60s Bond films like cigarettes jumping between hands from shot to shot. Some in DN are pretty egregious by today’s standards. It doesn’t matter as, again, it’s all about the storytelling, and I can imagine he brought that mentality to his direction).

    I like that way of describing the next Bond film and I like the idea. It’ll be someone’s first Bond film.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited December 24 Posts: 3,160
    CraigBond was carrying a lot of emotional baggage by the time of NTTD. NewBond needs to have the proverbial clean slate and be allowed to live his own life, not carry the accumulated weight of CraigBond's damage around with him wherever he goes. IMO, obvs.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,231
    Venutius wrote: »
    CraigBond was carrying a lot of emotional baggage by the time of NTTD. NewBond needs to have the proverbial clean slate and be allowed to live his own life, not carry the accumulated weight of CraigBond's damage around with him wherever he goes. IMO, obvs.

    100%.
  • edited December 24 Posts: 372
    Maybe I'm stating the exceedingly obvious by saying just undo Bond death. He survived the missiles and was injured, maybe lost his memory.

    That way you preserve the continuity, Bond 26 is a soft reboot. I don't think Eon and Amazon would find reason to disagree over that. Also, from a cinema going experience....Bond surviving is a surprise twist! Everyone thought he was dead but da da daaa... he survived! Given the right director the explanation how he survived - the reveal - can be exciting. I think it has huge potential, be a great way to get people to see the film - the first teaser can hint Bond survived - and the huge advantage is you preserve continuity. Amazon should be happy and maybe they'll forget about Bond tv spin offs or whatever.

    If Eon commit to Bond not dying that's a decent foundation to get a screenplay in motion. Bond alive, living in a country, has a new identity. MI6 track him down and convince him to return. Meanwhile the rest of the plot unfolds. A new villain threatens the world. There you go, the first act of the screenplay established! Surely that's the easiest way to do Bond 26?

    If Arthur Conan Doyle can undo Sherlock Holmes' death... so can Eon. 😉







  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,940
    EON presenting Bond as alive is a good idea.

    I'd also prefer Bond is at a time in his career sometime prior to retirement.

  • DwayneDwayne New York City
    Posts: 2,870
    Bond is still alive? How do you escape an explosion?
    Well, this worked for Godzilla at the end of 1966's Ebirah, Horror of the Deep. :))

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  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,361
    I don't want a continuation of the Craig era. I'm ready for a new continuity free to do what it wants or go back to the 62 through 02 continuity which I doubt they will do.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,690
    Clean slates.

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