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When Bond and Leiter have a drink together I was so glad to finally see that, and then it literally ends just as it begins.
LOL. I figured. I was joking around.
NTTD isn't 100% perfect but it's deflating to see any fan dejected about seeing it.
Things might yet go the way of SP and opinions and reviews of the film crash once it debuts in the states but there's plenty of positive reviews on Letterboxd. I no longer rate IMDB as it's always the extremes of 1/10 or 10/10 there.
The end of the film might be contentious to some fans but NTTD is playing in the same ballpark as SF in courting a more general audience than espionage fans.
All depends on how you rated SF.
Funnily enough I love SF until Silva enters and then I feel Bond gets a little lost in the drama between Silva and M.
I find SF very overrated personally but the better comparison to NTTD than Craig's other films for those trying to gauge what it will be like.
I'm purely speculating because this movie will never be released here at this rate, but I do wonder if
What makes you think this? It's just courtesy not to spoil a movie... and this is the spoiler-free thread. There is a spoiler thread.
I've seen the film mind you, but I'd venture to think none of us would want to be spoiled ANY Bond movie we haven't seen, past or present.
You would be surprised how many people on this forum went for the spoilers. It stunned me as I was very much someone who STRIVED to go in as blind as possible to this film. I know there are people such as yourself who did not like the film without spoilers, but most of the negative reactions I'm seeing seem to be from people who knew going in the ins and outs of the film.
From Ben Williams review on the mi6-hq home page. Not the first non-spoiler review I've seen with a similar comment:
"It remains only to say that there are some pretty serious events that take place in the film that would truly spoil your enjoyment of the film if you were privy to them prior to seeing it. "
That implies 'something big comes up'
I saw your earlier comment about that (I think in the ranking thread?) and you're not only the exception on MI-6, you seem to be the exception on the entire internet. Whole massive slew of Bond fans who deliberately looked up the big twists. And I get it, Bond taking off his mask to reveal he was Ethan Hunt all along is a big shock.
Well it is Craig's last film and his films have played more as a character arc than previous incarnations, so it's definitely going to spoil the movie for you if you read about these final developments re: Craig's Bond in advance.
I recommend staying as far away from most internet sites that could feasibly discuss this movie before seeing it... other than this one of course, as I am quite confident the community here is cordial enough to avoid casual spoiler talk (other than in the spoiler thread of course!).
Outside of that, I’m pretty sure I know of the villain’s main evil plan. The latest James Bond and Friends podcast implies (I could be wrong) that Safin has another goal after his main plan. If he has a secondary plan, I truly have no idea what they might be referring to.
My question to those that have seen the film (and obviously don’t spoil it) - are there any other big surprises or plot points for me to discover when I see the film, or have I already stumbled across the big and important ones?
I would say you haven't even scratched the surface and should absolutely keep it that way.
Spot on! I watched it last night and overall I'm rather disappointed.
Oh @Mathis1 that's not good. You and I have similar taste! 🥺
This film really seems to be dividing the fans.
Seeing it on Monday...
Not quite mate. You like SF, dont you?
Try to go in with an open mind, and avoid spoilers at all costs. You may be surprised! For me though, being a huge fan of Craigs, i have an awful feeling this film is going to affect the way I look at his other Bond movies! Still cant get over how let down I feel! Actually had a sleepless night, how ridiculous is that??
This is EXACTLY how I felt last night too. I actually don't want to watch another Craig film now because of this. It's like this film has ruined his era.
It made want to do something crazy like watch Moonraker, just to cleanse my soul.
I agree that QoS is hugely underrated and tat SF is ridiculously overrated. Still, I'd place both those films above NTTD and SP and maintain that QoS' opening car chase is still the undisputed champion of Bond car chases.
My ranking after seeing NTTD twice:
Casino Royale (the only way this film can be topped or at least matched is if Campbell comes back for a 3rd Bond film)
QoS
SF
NTTD
SP
@Mathis1 Not ridiculous mate. Us Bond fans take our favourite spy seriously.
I have avoided most of the info about the film and only watched the first trailer once. So I don't know much about the film at all.
I accidentally saw a possible spoiler from some idiot on FB but I'm hoping it's not true.
Traditional Bond film, in the old fashioned way, which includes -
1) Pre credit sequence with action, lively music song for the titles (more ATAK, LALD, TLD, CR rather than dreary depressing ).
2) Bond flirting with Moneypenny, in to see M, gets briefed, then pops off downstairs to see Q for the latest gadget - AND THEN WE DON'T SEE THEM AGAIN!!
3) Bond on a mission with no personal, or emotional ties whatsoever!
4) The villain is just a bad guy, with no personal issues.
5) Bond sleeps with women, with no personal connections to them.
6) Lots of unused Fleming scenes PROPERLY adapted.
As of now, I'm really done with the Craig era, Last night seems to have highlighted everything that has gone wrong with the Craig era, which I wasn't even really aware of until now. And such a shame after CR showed the way, which is one of the best films in the franchise.
I just want to be doubly clear: do you rank it just under CR among ALL the films, or JUST out of Craig's tenure?