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Bottom line is they hit on something special when they made CR and gave us a Bond Begins story. Which worked. But that should have been the end of that. No need to try to milk the whole emotional arc and now it seems like they’ve been trying to turn Swann into another Vesper. Every film has been bogged down with emotional baggage and it’s been getting worse and worse with each passing film. And Babs has no intention of stopping. And Mikey is either too old or doesn’t have enough say in matters. Basically Babs calls all the shots and has been turning the franchise into something that isn’t Bond.
The Craig era is no different from the Brosnan era in that the first film was a classic and everything after that has been going downhill. Except that for all their faults the Brosnan films still feel like Bond films. Look at TND - it’s no classic and is very formulaic yet it’s an enjoyable watch and is more fun than anything we’ve had in years from Craig. I say Brosnan has nothing to feel ashamed about. It’s Craig that should seriously question where the producers took his series. Unless he really loves all this “outside the box” stuff. But you can go so far outside the box that you won’t find your way back.
Perhaps it isn´t. I have deliberately stayed away from even watching trailers or any pre production information. So I might be more sensitive than most people.
That won't happen with Barbara Broccoli in charge. I doubt she'll cast a Bond type looking Bond nor go back to emotion free missions. The Craig era is her vision hence why the gun barrel was mucked about, not at the start, at the end! And of course why NTTD ends the way it does.
Calling out those who didn't like the film as not being "open-minded" and considering them to be "formula slaves" seems kind of extreme to me. I wouldn't classify someone as such or try to tell them who they are because they loved an installment I hated or vice versa.
I don't have that problem with people who dislike the film and I fully acknowledge that this is not a Bond film for everyone. I want to have dialogues with people who give measured critiques of it. What I'm not interested in are people writing nonsense emails to EON that claim the film is "insulting" to Bond fans en masse, in being spoken for, or being indirectly dismissed as a "casual fan" because I dared to be the first guy through the wall on these forums and say that NTTD is excellent. People who do THAT, to me, are the problem.
100%, same here. I've not even seen the film yet, just six days to go, but the amount of personal attacks or descriptions of fans with different views is quite appalling to me, as is the ludicrous nature of thinking writing EON or whoever is going to solve anything. It makes you look childish and these sorts of petitions and letters do nothing but garner some bad Internet attention and nothing more. Whatever you don't like about the film, happened, so it's best to move on and gear up for the next one, enjoying the previous installments you do like in the meantime. Totally agreed, @StirredNotShaken.
And while I have my thoughts on what to expect or what I am excited for or worried about for the film, I must say your excitement and enthusiastic posts have been very infectious for me. They're keeping my optimism as high as it can be, appreciate it!
Let's get back on track and keep it civil, please.
I'll pack my things!
Who would've thought that Ian Fleming being born 113 years ago would culminate in @Creasy47 being put in front of a firing squad? Crazy, this world.
Of course, it's easy for me to say that now :-D
This sounds good enough.
You forgot the Q scene where Bond has a bit of banter with the serious Q.
And a villain with some "take over the world" scheme.
I wouldn't mind a movie like this.
Agreed! One thing I love about "true fans" of Bond is that their opinions can be so disparate. There is not one film in this series that isn't on at least one true fan's list, and not one that isn't at the bottom of another true fan's list. That's the fun of it. But who am I, or anyone else, to say someone isn't enough of a fan because they're too young, or don't share the same opinions as me? Or just because they can't name every Bond film in chronological order in under 20 seconds, like I can, bahaha.
You guessed it, he wakes up in bed next to his wife and we realize James Bond was just Newhart all along!
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I havent' seen the movie but... FFS!
If they really go with the "subversion" as tactic...after the massive fail of Game of Thrones' last season and the Star Wars sequels (and mind you, as a non-SW fan I enjoyed the subversion of episode 8 ) ....
They really haven't learned their lesson...
Bahaha. Or he turns into Bruce Willis and we realize that Dryden shot him at the beginning of CR and he's been dead this whole time. None of this will bother me, because it's over now and we're on to a new era.
You are reading opinions of people that watched the movie on the first night after waiting for YEARS for the movie.
The opinions may not be totally objective, and they may be too positive or too negative.
I know I fell a victim to this with SPECTRE.
When it came out I thought it was like..10th best Bond or maybe even better.
Now I really think it damaged the series and while it's an alright action movie, it has many bad things in it and is probably one of the...."not that good" category Bond movies, and the things it had may* damage the franchise forever.
So my point is... wait for...at least a month to see the objective thoughts of everyone that said "I LOVED EVERY BIT OF IT! NOT AS GOOD AS CR BUT CLOSE TO IT!" or everyone that said "THIS IS THE WORST THING TO EVER COME OUT AND IT RUINED THE FRANCHISE FOREVER"
* = and judging from the trailers and the fact that NTTD is a direct continuation to SP.... I think my fears may become a reality...
I was not the one to bring up the word "elitism"...
That's been established. The original point and request still stands, though.
I admit my reaction was over the top and I apologize. I am just so tired about the endless whining and bickering because the producers are not making the decisions entitled fans want. And although I realize it is not the case with everyone, many of the arguments put forward suggest they are indeed close minded...
I'd say that's a better way of approaching the argument, sans boxing them into a corner by saying they must all be close-minded. I, personally, am a fan of the original formula, where every film is mostly detached from its predecessor and successor, but I've yet to see NTTD so I'm reserving any judgment regarding the spoilers I've heard until then. I might not be a fan of what's come in the last few years but I'd never say they weren't Bond films because of it, just not exactly what I'm after is all (though nothing to the point that I'm starting a petition or writing EON a letter or attacking others who loved SF and SP, either, of course. That's foolish).
I'm very excited for Thursday to get here so I can see how it works for me and whether it's an all around excellent outing. I do hope it is.
No, mi dont recall them coming up. In the case of Nomi, they may be on some computer screens which you can freeze frame on the dvd.