NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - Members' Reviews and Discussions (SPOILERS)

DarthDimi

@mattjoes



A delightful read, sir.

Thunderfinger

DarthDimi wrote: »

@mattjoes



A delightful read, sir.

Yes, but you can tell that @tomhanks doesn t really mean it. What a phony.

Jimjambond

MSL49 wrote: »

I prefer qos over sf.

You're not the only one, mate.

Venutius

You're certainly not.

delfloria

mattjoes wrote: »

While opinions are constantly in flux, after three viewings of No Time to Die and several weeks thinking about it and discussing it, while lazily writing down what came to my mind, I feel I have reached a point where I can offer a robust, stable enough opinion on the film. There are some things I'm still analyzing about it, but they shouldn't affect the aspects that I discuss in this review, nor my perception of the film in any substantial way. So without further ado, here's my review of No Time to Die.

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A man carrying a gun, and wearing a noh mask, slowly makes his way toward a house in the middle of a deserted, icy landscape, intent on getting revenge against the man who murdered his family.

The opening scene of No Time to Die is a mostly self-contained, gripping suspense scene, with an unexpected outcome that will later prove to be a crucial character-revealing moment. Safin's visually striking mask brings a slight touch of horror and Bondian flamboyance to the proceedings, and much like the regret-tinged alcoholism of Madeleine's mother, it stimulates one's narrative curiosity and makes the world of the film more detailed and believable.

There's a sense that plenty of thought and care went into the making of that scene, and the same goes for much of the rest of the film. No Time to Die is for the most part a terrific film, and a delicately balanced banquet of Bond: An exciting story, with a fair share of surprises and an enjoyable high-tech vibe. Very well-drawn characters; some interesting in their complexities; others superficial, yet highly entertaining to watch. Well-crafted action scenes that display technical prowess. A healthy dose of silly humor. A brassy, ballsy music score. Gorgeous cinematography at the service of exquisite locations. And at the center of it all, the character of Bond himself, in a fantastic acting turn from Daniel Craig.

The story of No Time to Die is somewhat evocative of that unused story idea of The Spy Who Loved Me, in a which a new generation of terrorists takes over SPECTRE. It's something we haven't seen before in a Bond film: the current villain getting revenge from the previous film's villain over the death of his family. It's a logical and interesting scenario, one which builds upon the myriad of occasions in the Bond films in which bad guys executed other bad guys without any repercussions. Seeing Safin operating for much of the film from behind the shadows, manipulating others into doing his bidding (sometimes without even knowing it), is a source of intrigue and twists, particularly in the early half of the film, as we try to decipher who is working for who and what their endgame is. Safin's ultimate plan, with its apocalyptic implications, is a great throwback to the classic Bond plots which we had slightly departed from in the Craig era. The fact it involves deadly nanobots, built to murder certain targets based on their DNA, gives this story a cool technological flavor that is on the edge of plausibility.

Let's talk a little about the character of Bond. The pre-title sequence of No Time to Die offers plenty of food for thought on this matter. We find out from Blofeld that Spectre was just waiting for Bond to visit Vesper's grave in Matera to murder him. The implication here is that Bond's human side is a weakness for his enemies to exploit, which is perhaps one of the main ideas that have been explored throughout the Craig era. It's also interesting to see how, when Bond's trust in Madeleine Swann is broken —by means of that brilliant line: "she's a daughter of Spectre"— he seeks no further answers or explanations, and immediately "puts his armor back on". Indeed, he still carries the scars and the lessons from the outcome of his relationship with Vesper. Another moment I appreciate very much is when Bond comes to a mental standstill while sitting inside the DB5, which is receiving gunfire from all directions. We are left to imagine what is going on through his mind at that moment. I feel his rage almost makes him want the assassins to shoot Madeleine dead, and perhaps even him, as once again his life has been shattered into a thousand pieces, and he has been left alone, bitter and purposeless.

But for Bond, the rest of No Time to Die is, to employ M's words, a journey from an existence without life, to a life beyond existence. It's a touching subject matter to explore. A crucial aspect of it is Bond's relationship with Madeleine and their daughter. In a first for this franchise, Bond gets a family in No Time to Die. While it is completely outside the norm for these movies, it is a logical conclusion for Craig's Bond, not to mention an interesting development to witness. The man with no attachments, with no future, gets an opportunity to leave a legacy beyond his career in the secret service, even if this might result in his death.

Regarding Daniel Craig's performance, I must say that, contrary to popular opinion, I thought he delivered a rather muted, uncharismatic performance in Skyfall, so I was delighted to see that for Spectre, he brought more playfulness and humor to the role of Bond, as he had done at the beginning of his era. In that film, I found some moments where he delivered sly, sarcastic comments frankly electrifying to watch. And for No Time to Die, Craig has continued to improve in this area. He is more natural and relaxed than ever before, even delightfully goofy in a couple of moments. During certain parts of the film, when the tone allows for it, you can feel Bond is really enjoying his work. Fittingly, Craig also displays looser, slightly more animated body language. But he is also perfectly convincing and emotionally engaging in the dramatic moments, whether conveying sorrow and anger under a steely façade in the pre-title sequence, expressing his regrets and his love for Madeleine in Norway, or coming to terms with his death and his legacy in the final moments of the film.

On the subject of the villains, coming after Silva and Blofeld, Safin represents another attempt at creating a villain whose past we get to explore in some shape or form, but Safin is certainly more detailed and coherently constructed than Blofeld the last time around. Between the opening scene of No Time to Die, and a few other moments and bits of dialogue scattered throughout the film, we are given just enough information to understand this character, but not so much that all the mystery evaporates. His fascination with power over life and death is intriguingly set up at the beginning of the film, and revisited later on with some terrific and provocative dialogue about his feeling that people have a secret wish to be told how to live. Safin's ultimate nanobot scheme represents an attempt at both recapturing his family's glory and following in their footsteps as suppliers of death, so to speak. His feelings for Madeleine are also interesting. The opening scene establishes her as an accidental catalyst for Safin's twisted desire for godhood, but what does he feel for her after that? Gratitude, ownership? What is the nature of his love for her?

Rami Malek's performance is competent, but by no means outstanding. While he successfully conveys the character's eccentricity and utter insanity, he still feels a bit bland, as well as unthreatening, especially coming after Christoph Waltz's Blofeld, whose sinister presence and penchant for cruelty created some significant tension and excitement in his encounters with Bond (in fact, in his brief but wonderful appearance in No Time to Die, Blofeld comes across as more villanous than Safin). To some extent, this issue might also have to do with the script rather than just the acting. Safin is established as a master manipulator, but he doesn't get enough opportunities to personally demonstrate cruelty, the main one being the scene in which he holds Mathilde hostage. (Incidentally, I find the last stretch of No Time to Die, set on Safin's island, slightly less interesting than the rest of the film. This could be precisely because Safin takes center stage in this section.)

Moving on to other villains, Valdo Obruchev is an example of something I had sorely missed: the goofy bad guy. I appreciate seeing a funny villain from time to time, as they can add welcome tonal variety to a film. For me, David Dencik is another highlight of No Time to Die: a weasel, a scoundrel, skillful at building the instruments of armageddon, but acting as if he was just making breakfast. He is a monster who does not know he is a monster. On the other hand, as played by Billy Magnussen, Logan Ash is perfectly aware of his evil nature, and relishes it. His unsettling presence, with a clear undertone of sadism, reminds me slightly of Vargas in Thunderball. Seeing Bond execute him in retaliation for Leiter's death is very satisfying. Dali Benssalah's Primo might be a fairly anonymous character, but his bionic eye, used to communicate with Blofeld, is a highly entertaining and Bondian bit of hi-tech. It also provides the basis for an amusing death scene. There is nothing like seeing Bond use a gadget —in this case, the EMP watch— in an unexpected way. And finally, there is Blofeld himself, as played by Christoph Waltz...

I want to talk in some detail about the scene in which Bond and Blofeld reunite. It's one of my favorite moments of No Time to Die. The scene begins with a delightful touch of heightened reality. Blofeld's moving cage is an unlikely, yet dramatically appropriate conceit, one which echoes the glass window scene at the end of Spectre. While the cage slowly approaches Bond, we hear a suitably cold, mechanical piece of music. And then, the actors take center stage. As they demonstrated in Spectre, both Craig and Waltz are wonderfully skilled at conveying hostility under a façade of sarcastic cordiality, something that I find very Bondian. For a few minutes, the two actors recapture the same exciting dynamic. But at the end, the scene takes a particularly interesting turn, when Bond starts strangling Blofeld after he admits Madeleine's betrayal was a ruse by him. In my opinion, the sudden way in which this highly dramatic action occurs straddles the line between funny and serious. I like this tonal ambiguity and playfulness very much. It's a highlight of the film, for sure.

As for the women of No Time to Die, the character of Madeleine, who already had a fascinating backstory in Spectre, is given a bit more substance, a bit more life beyond the immediate confines of her relationship with Bond. Léa Seydoux also gets to display some superb acting chops in certain crucial moments of the film. For me, two of the most significant ones are when she and Bond are in the DB5 while surrounding by Spectre assassins, and when the train leaves the station, and her relationship with Bond comes to a sudden and painful end. A trend that's present in several characters of No Time to Die —namely Bond, Madeleine and Safin— is the hold the past has over them. All these characters find different ways of dealing with their traumas. Bond falls off the face of the Earth, disappearing in Jamaica. Madeleine becomes Blofeld's psychiatrist, as if she wanted to revisit and understand the cause of her ordeals. She also passes along her fears and anxieties to her daughter Mathilde, when she makes sure she knows how to deal with an intruder in the house. Safin I've already discussed, but both his revenge on Spectre and his nanobot plan are deeply tied into his family history.

(Speaking of Mathilde, I must say the actress who plays the part is perfectly cast. In her scene with Bond in the kitchen, she has a sad, solemn expression on her face, as if she had inherited some of Bond's emotional pain.)

But back to the women. Ana de Armas, who plays Paloma, appears probably a third into the film. She immediately proceeds to take over it, completely holding her own against Daniel Craig, and delivering a supremely charismatic and sexy performance. She brings a splendid light touch to her role, which makes me think she would be superb in a comedy film. And as swiftly as she appeared, she departs the film, but having made a big impression.

Lashana Lynch as Nomi, the new 007, brings a cool and rather Bond-like swagger to her role (appropriately, she even gets to wear a safari suit in one scene). In their scenes together in Jamaica and Cuba, a sense of playful competition is created between her and Bond. There is also an amusing running joke about the fact she has taken over the 007 mantle, a gag which fortunately doesn't overstay its welcome. I do wish we had gotten to know this character a little better, but I understand the film is rather long as it is.

As for Ralph Fiennes as M, he continues to impress me. In this film, M has to make some tough decisions and face some difficult situations. Fiennes conveys such quiet dignity and humanity, and such a strong sense of duty, that you can't help but empathize with his character and root for him. I vividly remember the moment in which M gives the order to launch the missiles at Safin's island. You can just feel him soldiering through his fear that his actions might result in the death of Bond. It's a wonderful performance.

And how nice to see Jeffrey Wright's Felix Leiter again. There used to be tension between him and Craig's Bond, owing to the fact they worked for different organizations and didn't know each other that well. In No Time to Die, we've finally left all of that behind, and we get to see them demonstrate a strong camaraderie.

As usual for a Bond film, we also get some cool action in No Time to Die. Early on, the bridge scene in Matera offers a couple of very exciting and memorable moments, namely Bond barely dodging the incoming car, and jumping off the bridge to escape his pursuers (all while wearing that fantastic suit). In the bike chase scene that follows, Bond turns to avoid an incoming religious procession— a classic humorous Bond touch that brought a smile to my face. I also enjoy seeing that shiny, silvery DB5 speeding through the stone streets and doing doughnuts. Other highlights of the film include Paloma beating up a bunch of Spectre assassins, the Norway car chase with Bond ramming the vehicles to get them to flip over, and near the end, that superb long take of Bond shooting and fighting his way up the stairs while avoiding gunfire and grenades, before fighting Primo one last time.

In my opinion, the tone of No Time to Die strikes a good balance between serious and playful. I look for a certain sense of fun, a joie de vivre in a Bond film, and luckily, this one makes room for occasional jokes and lighter moments without undermining the more dramatic ones. The Cuba party sequence is one of the best scenes of the film, both in and of itself, and in terms of how it handles tone, successfully alternating between mysterious, macabre and funny. The actor who plays the Spectre member carrying Primo's eye, whose name is I believe Philip Philmar, is another example of great casting. He was obviously selected for the role for his striking, quirky face, and he follows in the steps of the Austrian bad guys chasing Q in Spectre, and Sandor in The Spy Who Loved Me, to name a few examples. It's a Bond tradition that I hope never dies.

Hans Zimmer's music for No Time to Die emphasizes the traditional Bond sound more than Thomas Newman did in his previous scores. It's a joy to hear those horns and wah-wah trumpets blaring bold, extravant passages once again, sometimes joined by electric guitar. The score also fashions a brilliant, muscular action motif for brass out of the bridge of the James Bond Theme, and happily includes several quotations of Billie Eilish's terrific song. Even the less melodic passages of the soundtrack offer some very pleasant instrumentation, such as the steel drums and guitars heard when Bond talks with Nomi at his house in Jamaica, a scene set to a moody, introspective and captivating piece of music. Intriguingly, the score also brings back two pieces from On Her Majesty's Secret Service: the title theme and We Have All the Time in the World. Never before have we heard such overt musical callbacks in a Bond film. While I think it would be a bad idea to make a habit out of this, I find they work very well here, as they emphasize the thematic connection between the aforementioned film and this one, and drive home the point that No Time to Die, with its unique ending, exists on the shoulders of —and offers a reflection on— a franchise that's nearly sixty years old. The only significant negative aspect of the score are some chord progressions heard in the last part of the film, which are almost lifted verbatim from the Batman films directed by Christopher Nolan, also scored by Zimmer.

For the most part, the cinematography of the film is a feast for my eyes, from the dusk at Matera, with those golden and purple hues, to the mostly nocturnal but colorful sights of Jamaica and Cuba —great locations by the way, bursting with life—, to the desaturated blues and grays of Safin's lair. One of my favorite shots in the film is that wide shot of Bond driving into the Jamaican town at dusk, while being followed by Felix Leiter. I also enjoy how they play with up and down in the scene right after the title sequence, when the Spectre commandos are rappeling down the building to break into the secret MI6 laboratory. My only real complaint in terms of cinematography is that the last part of the No Time to Die, set in the island, is shot in a slightly monotonous way, with too many eye-level shots of Bond (either with Nomi or by himself) moving through dark corridors. I suspect the cinematography doesn't entirely do justice to the set design in this section of the film.

Now, let's delve more deeply into what is without a doubt the most distinctive aspect of No Time to Die: the death of Bond. I must say the first time I saw this film, I was completely blindsided by this outcome. In a way, it goes completely against my expectations for a Bond film, which are to experience high-quality escapism. Now, the term 'escapism' doesn't imply a film has to offer sheer positive fun and nothing else— there is room for darkness and introspection in escapism, but I felt that Bond's death was a step too far. I was a bit sad after seeing that outcome, not only because of the death itself (in a film that I really liked otherwise), but because I felt detached from the creative sensibilities of the filmmakers. On the other hand, after that first viewing I was already aware that, seen from another angle, this outcome made narrative and dramatic sense. So I felt it was a good ending for a film, but a bad ending for a Bond film.

Two viewings later, I have become much more accepting of the ending. I like it. It's a touching, meaningful resolution which makes plenty of sense, whether you look at the film by itself or as part of the Bond franchise, and especially the Craig era. But I'm not crazy about it either, owing to my ingrained expectations of what a Bond film should be. The dichotomy I'm describing randomly led me one day to coin a term for the ending of No Time to Die: the singularity, meaning a point in space in which the common frames of reference no longer apply.

But enough about that. I must say that in the scene in question, Daniel Craig's acting when saying goodbye to Madeleine is superb; somehow, it manages to show Bond both at his strongest and most vulnerable. And the concept of Bond getting poisoned, thus becoming unable to touch his family without killing them, is a clever metaphor for the take on the character that we have witnessed during the Craig era: that of a man who cannot get close to other people, because of the nature of his business as well as his own nature. Much of the impact of Bond's death scene is derived from the closeups allotted to the main characters of the film, which allow us to see their shocked and sorrowful reactions. Most of these characters have had a long history with Bond, much like us as audience members, so they operate as our surrogates during this unprecedented moment.

The scene that follows is well judged in its sobriety, simplicity and brevity. I appreciate the fact that Tanner, who did not get a closeup in the previous scene, is the one to initiate the toast in remembrance of Bond. He is, in my opinion, an underrated character, probably uninteresting on the page, but brought to life by Rory Kinnear's unobtrusive yet endearing presence. The shot of the glass on the table, filled in honor of Bond but never to be drunk by him, is very emotive and eloquent. As the film ends, we see Madeleine and Mathilde driving through a tunnel. The camera shot is evocative of the gunbarrel sequence, only this time, the gunbarrel, typically an image associated with danger and death, becomes, strangely enough, a symbol of life. Bond might not exist anymore, but he lived life in full and left something meaningful behind.

Whatever our feelings might be on the ending of No Time to Die, we can hopefully agree that at the very least, such an outcome is a sign of creative passion and vitality, rather than stagnation. And after nearly 60 years of Bond films, I think that's something positive. James Bond will return.

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That's it. I do hope to write a little companion piece on my efforts to have a completely spoiler-free experience with No Time to Die, something that almost became a journey unto itself.

Thank you for your time and insight in putting this review together.

StirredNotShaken

@mattjoes I also find Tanner's immediate reaction to Bond's death (he doesn't get a close-up like the other MI-6 gang, but you can see him in the background in utter agony) to be one of the most heartbreaking elements of the scene.

mattjoes

Thanks to everyone for the kind words and for taking the time to read.

Thunderfinger wrote: »

DarthDimi wrote: »

@mattjoes



A delightful read, sir.

Yes, but you can tell that @tomhanks doesn t really mean it. What a phony.

I've disliked the man ever since he lost Wilson.

StirredNotShaken wrote: »

@mattjoes I also find Tanner's immediate reaction to Bond's death (he doesn't get a close-up like the other MI-6 gang, but you can see him in the background in utter agony) to be one of the most heartbreaking elements of the scene.

Cool. I look forward to checking that shot again when the film gets a home release.

MSL49

Next actor has big shoes to fill.

Stamper

I think the way the slate is wiped clean, may allow us to see finally experimental stuff we asked for decades. Like a one shot film bringing back an older Bond actor as an aged Bond, now ready again to kick down stuff TDKR style.

Now if the new Bond book is a clue, they might just go forgetting about Bond, and exploring his universe and secondary characters. We may have seen the final Bond film, not just Craig's. Who knows.

Jordo007

Stamper wrote: »

I think the way the slate is wiped clean, may allow us to see finally experimental stuff we asked for decades. Like a one shot film bringing back an older Bond actor as an aged Bond, now ready again to kick down stuff TDKR style.

Now if the new Bond book is a clue, they might just go forgetting about Bond, and exploring his universe and secondary characters. We may have seen the final Bond film, not just Craig's. Who knows.

God I hope you're wrong mate.

That's the reason I want to see NTTD a couple more times in the cinema, because I have the feeling that the next incarnation of the character will be radically different

I wonder if we've seen the last of Bond being a womaniser? The Craig era has shifted focus away from that but I do hope they bring back the glamour of the previous films, NTTD was really lacking in that department

delfloria

Jordo007 wrote: »

Stamper wrote: »

I think the way the slate is wiped clean, may allow us to see finally experimental stuff we asked for decades. Like a one shot film bringing back an older Bond actor as an aged Bond, now ready again to kick down stuff TDKR style.

Now if the new Bond book is a clue, they might just go forgetting about Bond, and exploring his universe and secondary characters. We may have seen the final Bond film, not just Craig's. Who knows.

God I hope you're wrong mate.

That's the reason I want to see NTTD a couple more times in the cinema, because I have the feeling that the next incarnation of the character will be radically different

I wonder if we've seen the last of Bond being a womaniser? The Craig era has shifted focus away from that but I do hope they bring back the glamour of the previous films, NTTD was really lacking in that department

or perhaps we'll see him doing more womanizing. As someone who grew up in the sixties watching Bond, I would find it sad if he gave that up. If you think that you could die every time you go out on a mission, it seems like a very natural instinct. Wouldn't mind him taking up smoking either, after all he is blunt instrument who kills for a living.

Stamper

I think they may want to go the mini-series route. After all, the Craig era is basically like a comic-book mini-serie. One take on Bond.

Now, using the same character, and a new actor, you may do another mini-serie, with a different take. The possibilities are endless.

The new book project seems to be a mini-serie too.

Birdleson

Upon reflection, one definite positive for me is that I enjoyed all of the new characters: Paloma, Nomi, Logan Ash, Obruchev, Cyclops, even Safin. I thought that they were all great characters, all well rooted in Bond tradition.

NickTwentyTwo

I think my favourite side character was actually Logan Ash. I’m also in the camp (pun?) that liked Valdo; his silliness was a good foil that the rest of the film could be cool against.

MSL49

Paloma get's my vote.

jobo

NickTwentyTwo wrote: »

I think my favourite side character was actually Logan Ash. I’m also in the camp (pun?) that liked Valdo; his silliness was a good foil that the rest of the film could be cool against.

I am really not sure what I think of Valdo. There are moments when is hilarious and then there moments when he is outrageously annoying like in the nanobot lab towards the end. Well, at least he is much better than Boris!

ImpertinentGoon

jobo wrote: »

NickTwentyTwo wrote: »

I think my favourite side character was actually Logan Ash. I’m also in the camp (pun?) that liked Valdo; his silliness was a good foil that the rest of the film could be cool against.

I am really not sure what I think of Valdo. There are moments when is hilarious and then there moments when he is outrageously annoying like in the nanobot lab towards the end. Well, at least he is much better than Boris!

We haven't talked about it a lot, because we really haven't talked about a lot besides the ending and Cuba=good; but "MAGNETS!" is a real Rorschach test for what kind of Bond fan you are, I think. It's either a welcome return of a bit more sillyness or just absolutely horrible, I feel like.

AceHole

ImpertinentGoon wrote: »

jobo wrote: »

NickTwentyTwo wrote: »

I think my favourite side character was actually Logan Ash. I’m also in the camp (pun?) that liked Valdo; his silliness was a good foil that the rest of the film could be cool against.

I am really not sure what I think of Valdo. There are moments when is hilarious and then there moments when he is outrageously annoying like in the nanobot lab towards the end. Well, at least he is much better than Boris!

We haven't talked about it a lot, because we really haven't talked about a lot besides the ending and Cuba=good; but "MAGNETS!" is a real Rorschach test for what kind of Bond fan you are, I think. It's either a welcome return of a bit more sillyness or just absolutely horrible, I feel like.

I see what you mean there.
I do feel that, despite my reservations about the film on the whole, that NTTD did get the balance between lightheartedness and grit right.
None of the Valdo stuff or the Cuba gags detract from those action sequences or take me out of the film quite in the same way that the extreme goofiness' of, say, AVTAK, does.

ImpertinentGoon

AceHole wrote: »

ImpertinentGoon wrote: »

jobo wrote: »

NickTwentyTwo wrote: »

I think my favourite side character was actually Logan Ash. I’m also in the camp (pun?) that liked Valdo; his silliness was a good foil that the rest of the film could be cool against.

I am really not sure what I think of Valdo. There are moments when is hilarious and then there moments when he is outrageously annoying like in the nanobot lab towards the end. Well, at least he is much better than Boris!

We haven't talked about it a lot, because we really haven't talked about a lot besides the ending and Cuba=good; but "MAGNETS!" is a real Rorschach test for what kind of Bond fan you are, I think. It's either a welcome return of a bit more sillyness or just absolutely horrible, I feel like.

I see what you mean there.
I do feel that, despite my reservations about the film on the whole, that NTTD did get the balance between lightheartedness and grit right.
None of the Valdo stuff or the Cuba gags detract from those action sequences or take me out of the film quite in the same way that the extreme goofiness' of, say, AVTAK, does.

I'm right there with you. I think they found a nice balance.

However, I also know that some Bond films get reduced to a single marker of their "tone" that people feel the need to throw into any discussion of the film, whether it's pertinent or not. Clown makeup. Double-take pidgeon. Invisible car. There are more. "MAGNETS!" has at least the potential to become something like that for NTTD. Although the end is much, much more likely to be the thing people fixate on.

jobo

ImpertinentGoon wrote: »

AceHole wrote: »

ImpertinentGoon wrote: »

jobo wrote: »

NickTwentyTwo wrote: »

I think my favourite side character was actually Logan Ash. I’m also in the camp (pun?) that liked Valdo; his silliness was a good foil that the rest of the film could be cool against.

I am really not sure what I think of Valdo. There are moments when is hilarious and then there moments when he is outrageously annoying like in the nanobot lab towards the end. Well, at least he is much better than Boris!

We haven't talked about it a lot, because we really haven't talked about a lot besides the ending and Cuba=good; but "MAGNETS!" is a real Rorschach test for what kind of Bond fan you are, I think. It's either a welcome return of a bit more sillyness or just absolutely horrible, I feel like.

I see what you mean there.
I do feel that, despite my reservations about the film on the whole, that NTTD did get the balance between lightheartedness and grit right.
None of the Valdo stuff or the Cuba gags detract from those action sequences or take me out of the film quite in the same way that the extreme goofiness' of, say, AVTAK, does.

I'm right there with you. I think they found a nice balance.

However, I also know that some Bond films get reduced to a single marker of their "tone" that people feel the need to throw into any discussion of the film, whether it's pertinent or not. Clown makeup. Double-take pidgeon. Invisible car. There are more. "MAGNETS!" has at least the potential to become something like that for NTTD. Although the end is much, much more likely to be the thing people fixate on.

"Aaah, my nooose!", is another one...

"Yes, I like animals!" is brilliant however!

MSL49

Every bond has something not so good in there.

ringfire211

ImpertinentGoon wrote: »

jobo wrote: »

NickTwentyTwo wrote: »

I think my favourite side character was actually Logan Ash. I’m also in the camp (pun?) that liked Valdo; his silliness was a good foil that the rest of the film could be cool against.

I am really not sure what I think of Valdo. There are moments when is hilarious and then there moments when he is outrageously annoying like in the nanobot lab towards the end. Well, at least he is much better than Boris!

We haven't talked about it a lot, because we really haven't talked about a lot besides the ending and Cuba=good; but "MAGNETS!" is a real Rorschach test for what kind of Bond fan you are, I think. It's either a welcome return of a bit more sillyness or just absolutely horrible, I feel like.

What is magnets all about? I don’t remember anything about magnets in the film.

NickTwentyTwo

ringfire211 wrote: »

ImpertinentGoon wrote: »

jobo wrote: »

NickTwentyTwo wrote: »

I think my favourite side character was actually Logan Ash. I’m also in the camp (pun?) that liked Valdo; his silliness was a good foil that the rest of the film could be cool against.

I am really not sure what I think of Valdo. There are moments when is hilarious and then there moments when he is outrageously annoying like in the nanobot lab towards the end. Well, at least he is much better than Boris!

We haven't talked about it a lot, because we really haven't talked about a lot besides the ending and Cuba=good; but "MAGNETS!" is a real Rorschach test for what kind of Bond fan you are, I think. It's either a welcome return of a bit more sillyness or just absolutely horrible, I feel like.

What is magnets all about? I don’t remember anything about magnets in the film.

When they drop Valdo down the elevator shaft in the lab kidnapping.

I liked all the silliness that Valdo offered, I've said it a few times before but it was a good foil to put up against all the "cool" things happening around him.

ringfire211

NickTwentyTwo wrote: »

ringfire211 wrote: »

ImpertinentGoon wrote: »

jobo wrote: »

NickTwentyTwo wrote: »

I think my favourite side character was actually Logan Ash. I’m also in the camp (pun?) that liked Valdo; his silliness was a good foil that the rest of the film could be cool against.

I am really not sure what I think of Valdo. There are moments when is hilarious and then there moments when he is outrageously annoying like in the nanobot lab towards the end. Well, at least he is much better than Boris!

We haven't talked about it a lot, because we really haven't talked about a lot besides the ending and Cuba=good; but "MAGNETS!" is a real Rorschach test for what kind of Bond fan you are, I think. It's either a welcome return of a bit more sillyness or just absolutely horrible, I feel like.

What is magnets all about? I don’t remember anything about magnets in the film.

When they drop Valdo down the elevator shaft in the lab kidnapping.

I liked all the silliness that Valdo offered, I've said it a few times before but it was a good foil to put up against all the "cool" things happening around him.

Oh ok, now I remember. Nothing wrong with that line. It was amusing.

Venutius

Slapstick and scripted gags have their place. Just not in Craig's films. IMO, obvs. This is my stern, disapproving won't-join-in face...

NickTwentyTwo

They certainly seemed to set this standard for Craig in the uber-serious CR, QOS, SF.

Perhaps in time those will be referred to as the "Serious" Craig films, and the latter two will be the "Fun" Craig films.

I welcomed, personally, the return of some of that silliness in SP and NTTD. I actually thought Valdo was really refreshing (but maybe I'm easily amused).

goldenswissroyale

I also felt that Valdo was refreshing.
But I would never call NTTD a "fun" Craig film. I'm generally surprised that many write about how funny NTTD was. There are some funny lines (mainly in the middle section) but overall a very serious Bond film in my opinion.

NickTwentyTwo

Yeah, I was sort of thinking that too as I typed the above. It was quite serious I suppose.

M_Balje

Watched: 31 Otober 2021

Almoost 40 minutes a go i returns from my view of No Time To Die. I deside to watch movie at 5.30 Pm (17.30) There show a trailer from a new Diana movie named ''Spencer'' (Letter type of Spectre) and new trailer of Last Night in Soho that shows Thunderball poster twice. Also NTTD promo that promoted cars from the movie.

A lot people must have thaught same as me with longer screentime and fact there will be another Corona presconference soon, today or tomorrow is day to go.

Update: There also trailer from Sopranos movie before NTTD car spot. If there haven't showed a trailer of Last Night in Soho i have been suprised/disapointed.

Spoilers
I was very happy when it turn out that masked guy was for Bond 25. Before movie was released i think there spoil to much of Safin in the lair. Some of remours turn out to be true, some of them i never take serious and mabey vergot after a whyle. Biggest spoiler till i have seen it i don't believe it, so yes i was disapointed that i already know it.

Delay / Corona (Made more Nerves) does not help too that walking out cinema first a bit disapointed and mabey even think for a moment it be one big finger to us Bondfans/audince and mabey Daniel Craig wil do another one.

MGM, Universal, The Gunbarrel and Pretitle

MGM logo was the new version. There two reasens i whant Universal and one of them was Universal logo will change in the dots. It did and i like logo was in black & white. Ice thing works for me too, as well choose there make jump to Italy. But i wish we see a litle bit more Italy. First part give me ''I Never left'' vibes from QOS with a bit of horror.

The Maintitles

Full with a lot of adreline of action just ride in to the maintitles.
Longer then the Spectre one, looks very much on SF. A lot to see and for now a bit mixed about choose that there make to show past chacters again. This also count for blood/dna moment, blame this lack of story, atleast it is better then missing card in Skyfall. Dr No trow back when it starts great.

Cinematography

Let i say iam happy for this moment and it be other way around what i feel after Skyfall.
There is No Time for a breath moment and things looks/feel difrent with the trailers. A thrill ride with a lot of action. I get a bit of between QOS and CR feeling, but it never topt. Get idea we missing scenes in Italy and Jamaica / Cuba. The Umbrella and spots (A Night / Evening scene in Jamacia with motorbikes on the background when Bond walking to other side of street) what i name it earlier is not in the movie.

Less sharpnes in pretitles scenes is mabey what it need , because there was also a danger that it going to look like to much on QOS style.

I don't know or change more then only MGM lion at beginning who was new one.

The Music / Action and reference's
It is hell of ride with action/pacing of the movie. This also count for music and i must say overall iam not disapointed in the music, way better then expect. Again closer to QOS. For now mixed about re-use All The Time In World dialogue, score and re-use of Armstrong and the end. Very happy it not turn in the Dark Knightmare i expect it going to be. My first thaught is that it close to QOS score, but mabey a bit of doubt about the soundmix. But with a first view everything going very fast.

The scene with Aston Martin DB5 in Italy are great, but i doubt last scene of movie. I think for now that mabey Mi6ally scene and that scene should have been other way around in the movie. Mabey extented with return of graveyard card. Overall i think reference's are more subtil then in Die Another Day, whyle some of them (like TLD Aston Martin use) must sink it like whole movie.

Humor
I like black / background humor in QOS and does not raise this level, but it is good. In Skyfall and Spectre there try to rush it.

Lab / Goldeneye
With 25th year of Goldeneye in 2020, of course we should get trowbacks to that movie. Lab and Waldo are best reference, whyle i must think about Mission Impossible 2 a litle bit too.

Lair / Standalone
I am happy with all things there did with it and i see there learn from Spectre. But stil i missing more story. Also at villian lair some nice trowbacks to Goldeneye.

Iam curious how much be removed from the script. Besides missing more Italy, inspevialy there is missing Jamaica footage in the movie and iam missing lair story with Safin. Of course i am happy on this moment after one view with pacing and there try to make it more standalone.

Chacters
Tanner. I like it that Bond and Q stil don't trust him.
Moneypenny. Les screentime for her, more for another chacter. I expect more scene's between her and Nomi, but scene's there got together be enough for me.
M. Better then Spectre.
Q. More Skyfall the pc guy again. In Spectre the parts in lab be rushed, overall my favorite parts in Spectre be when helps Bond in Austria. Moost trouble i have is when again everthing is connected again and a bit of shame that Blofeld voice not be heard again when he connect the eyeball.

Felix and Blofeld. Should sink in like end of the movie. I hoped on more Felix and that it be CIA who send those ships. There choose now more for Tomorrow Never Dies subtil with text, i don't mind that but in first place i don't like it he died. I expect more Blofeld and being afraid that cost Safin screentime, partly it stil did. I wish Safin get more screentime.

Safin. I am happy he does not turn out Doctor No, but i think there should have done more with poisen garden.

Madeline. I was worried how it wil go with Safin. Liked i said i expect more Blofeld. Disapointed there delete more romance scene's in Italy. With Casino Royale there also did this with Vesper. But overall the ''you are married with Spectre'' till we deside it is over (Spectre maintitle) is very done well.

Eyeball. Learn from mistake with Hinx, very great he returns more then once and nice reference to Goldeneye.

Paloma. To short, but like it that Ana using her playing naive / shy (as she did before at Jamaica anouchment) again.

Nomi. Way better then expect. Subtil reference to Natalya at villian lair. To much discussion about ''007'' number and to easy given back.

Waldo. Another trow back to Goldeneye. I expect another Valentine, but turn out more like Boris iam happy with but a bit wasted.

Ash. Expected joke we don't get, mabey good. Like reference to FYEO, but if there whant can have used him till in to villian lair. I think he got some Walter Bridge sarcasm (very close to trowback to Stamper from Tomorrow Never Dies) that mabey can have used later with in mind for whyle i was thinking he was Matilde father (Ash be Madeline/Mathilde bodyguard).

Mathilde. Her intro with the toy and Madeline comment get very funny / emotional response from audince in the cinema. Same happend when Safin let her go, of course expecting she go to poisen garden. Easter Egg why she is named Mathilde:

Mathilde is the real first name of the actres who play Madeline her mother.

Plot i expect (To understand my comments on Safin, Blofeld and Madeline)

I was expecting experimental manipulation by Blofeld. Safin going to be lab rat i think used by Blofeld with help of Madeline, but later she changed her own mind and choose Safin side.

Safrin whant a smaller world and playing for God. That NTTD wil forward as Tomorrow Never Dies was in 1997. That's what i think there mean with The 25th movie wil change everything, but with in mind it is Daniel Craig era and actualy saying nothing wil change / earlier worse.

Liked idea we mabey get a bit more standalone with Bond must save world, but can't do it alone and whyle Blofeld stil playing his mind game (Reference to OHMSS Blofeld). It turn out save world was include, the much needed Spectre contuned. I am not complete disapointed that Madeline not turn bad.

What be more dangerious then Spectre. I expect illness spread like virus. Walking time bomb to start another war. Also thanks to earlier hints, also in SF (Man in shaking chair in the maintitle for example, whyle partly i think it was predict to Spectre and trow back to DAD.).

When in 2013 i watched ''Everthing or Nothing'' i was even more intrest in that story when whole Kevin McClory/ Heard Atack get another point of view.

Goodbye Mr Bond. Of course this should sink in, but from the other side i known Ian Fleming died on the age of 56 and that ''film Bond'' In 2018 / 2019 exist 56-57 years.

Conclussion

7/ 10

On this moment i rank movie 3th place of Daniel Craig era and my feeling is that i like it more then Skyfall (This movie feels warm, Skyfall feels cold.) and mabey missing a bit of CR romance. I can't denie that like some moments in Spectre too and NTTD need Spectre and Spectre need NTTD. QOS on this moment remain my favorite.

MSL49

I like people rate nttd high on the list.