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  • I’m not surprised by FRWL winning, but I am surprised by OP coming in 2nd above some of those other sequences.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Would definitely have to be between FRWL or OP, as the others don't give me as much of a suspenseful feeling in comparison. I am certainly biased when it comes to FRWL, as I think that whole sequence (and all the train scenes) was beautifully built up to over the entire film with Bond and Grant's rivalry set up so masterfully, but I think I have to give it to OP for being as suspenseful a moment as it is while Bond is in full on clown make-up. That's a real feat.

    If I had to do a write in, one moment I immediately think of is the opening of NTTD, with Safin's predatory hunt for a young Madeleine. How the moment begins with such a quiet and innocent moment with Madeleine and her mother but quickly develops into a disturbing cat and mouse game is just impeccable and I was stunned and struck by it from the first moment. The photography is on another level too, making Safin's presence mysterious and gradually revealed, amping up the suspense. For those that don't know the girl is Madeleine at first, there's the added suspense on not being sure the character will be protected from harm and survive the encounter, unlike her shot up mother. There's something so stirring and traumatic about it, and that mask...just sends shivers up my spine, along with Safin's labored breathing behind it.

    I think the ending of the film is also worthy of inclusion, with Bond racing against time to make sure the blast doors are open to ensure Heracles is destroyed once and for all. I think this is worthy of inclusion not just because the film makes you think Bond is in danger, he truly is in the most danger he has ever been and the film plays out the worst case scenario before our very eyes. Part of what makes the sequence monumental and unforgettable is that Bond gives it all to get the job done, and fights to save the day with every last inch. Suspense, pain, heartbreak, sadness, it's all there.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I think the ending of the film is also worthy of inclusion, with Bond racing against time to make sure the blast doors are open to ensure Heracles is destroyed once and for all. I think this is worthy of inclusion not just because the film makes you think Bond is in danger, he truly is in the most danger he has ever been and the film plays out the worst case scenario before our very eyes. Part of what makes the sequence monumental and unforgettable is that Bond gives it all to get the job done, and fights to save the day with every last inch. Suspense, pain, heartbreak, sadness, it's all there.

    Yeah I think that's a fair punt: it's extremely suspenseful basically because we know the worst is coming and we don't want it to.
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    OP definitely for me! I watch that sequence any time, and I genuinely dont believe Bond is going to diffuse the bomb in time, thats how well it is handled!
    I love OHMSS, but I dont believe that sequence is thst suspenseful, mainly because What's the threat?, a little bespectacled solicitor??
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    Bond on his knees FRWL gets my vote this time around, with Climbing ahead in FYEO coming in second. The climbing sequence just reinforces the (relatively) realistic tone that makes FYEO one of my favorite entries from Sir Roger... but the face-off with Red Grant in FRWL is simply one of my favorite scenes in the whole Bond series. Connery/Bond uses 3 count 'em 3 aspects of the iconic briefcase (the gold sovereigns, the knife, AND the gas cannister) to get the better of Grant -- and it's still a close call!
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    The most suspenseful scene is when we're wondering if M will run into a semi-naked Ms. Caruso.

    (Not a serious write-in, of course.)
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    Bond on his knees
  • Mathis1 wrote: »
    OP definitely for me! I watch that sequence any time, and I genuinely dont believe Bond is going to diffuse the bomb in time, thats how well it is handled!
    I love OHMSS, but I dont believe that sequence is thst suspenseful, mainly because What's the threat?, a little bespectacled solicitor??

    Gumbold walking in to Bond reading the playboy magazine he set aside?
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Yes, that's the threat, I think he was just saying it's not a material threat.

    Although, Gumbold having to be dispatched one way or another wouldn't be too good for the mission... would arouse Blofeld's suspicion.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Correct. The threat is not Gumbold, but what would happen if Blofeld found out.
  • I was just making the Gumbold joke at the prospect of how awkward it’d be to walk into your office to find a man who broke in and started reading your pornography, just thought it would be a funny prospect
  • marcmarc Universal Exports
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    OP
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I was just making the Gumbold joke at the prospect of how awkward it’d be to walk into your office to find a man who broke in and started reading your pornography, just thought it would be a funny prospect

    Gumbold could say "Sorry, I forgot to knock." LOL!

    Yes Gumbold isn't the threat, the threat is Blofeld finding out his lawyer dead or the victim of a break in.
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
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    OP for me by a small notch ahead of FYEO.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I feel like CR should be in here. Maybe the poison/heartstopping scene.

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    The OP, FRWL, and OHMSS ones all are suspenseful in my book. I think it is worth noting how strong the Gumbold scene is for what it is. Without the music in the Gumbold scene, there would be no suspense. Barry deserves massive kudos on that one.

    Love how OP harkens back to the beginning of the film with the clown suit and death of a 00. It also poses the largest immediate threat, so of the lot that'd be my choice. Side comment, I'd love this technique to be used again. LALD and TMWTGG are two other films that do this and even if not as effective, I love it every time. Ties the story together nicely.

    That said, MR centrifuge and Corrine (another Barry credit) scenes get me every time and I really feel they are worthy of a nom. So for that sake, I'll pick MR centrifuge.
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    Since my proposal that in future Bond films there should ALWAYS and EVERY film be a Time to Die, it's been done, and - as before - it is quite difficult to generate suspense in with regard to Bond being at risk. However, any of the OTHER characters could be much more likely at risk. Does this mean I hereby suggest a film in which EVERY other character in the film dies - friends, foes, even the hotel clerks ? Oh, don't be silly...after all, were that done, then, subsequently, there would be no suspense to generate as to whether some other character were at risk...now, back to: to have every other character die ? It could be portrayed, were one trying to show Bond slipping into madness. An intensification of TMWTGG novel's beginning sequences. Thing is - though I am not a doctor or expert otherwise - it seems that were Bond to go THAT far off the deep end, his return would be much less likely, and perhaps precarious, and no one ever would trust him again, fearing he would slip again at any moment, even were no banana peels in his path. Then again - THAT was the point of the mission in TMWTGG, wasn't it ?
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    Correct. The threat is not Gumbold, but what would happen if Blofeld found out.

    Ok, fair enough. But Bond being Bond, you can envisage him talking his way out of the situation if Gumbold walked in on him! There was no talking your way out of a bomb going off, so its still OP for the win!
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Since62 wrote: »
    Since my proposal that in future Bond films there should ALWAYS and EVERY film be a Time to Die, it's been done, and - as before - it is quite difficult to generate suspense in with regard to Bond being at risk. However, any of the OTHER characters could be much more likely at risk. Does this mean I hereby suggest a film in which EVERY other character in the film dies - friends, foes, even the hotel clerks ? Oh, don't be silly...after all, were that done, then, subsequently, there would be no suspense to generate as to whether some other character were at risk...now, back to: to have every other character die ? It could be portrayed, were one trying to show Bond slipping into madness. An intensification of TMWTGG novel's beginning sequences. Thing is - though I am not a doctor or expert otherwise - it seems that were Bond to go THAT far off the deep end, his return would be much less likely, and perhaps precarious, and no one ever would trust him again, fearing he would slip again at any moment, even were no banana peels in his path. Then again - THAT was the point of the mission in TMWTGG, wasn't it ?
    Nttd actually makes the suspense work again: up untill then we sort of 'knew' bond would survive. So where's the suspense in that? Now that we know he could die, it's a different game. Sure, if they did it every film I'd lose its purpose, but for once_in_sixty_years it works.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    echo wrote: »
    I feel like CR should be in here. Maybe the poison/heartstopping scene.

    If I had to nominate anything from CR, I'd probably select the torture scene. To this day, that scene just hits so many levels. Bond is just screwed, and as the scene plays out you can feel all his weariness, anxiety and pain about the situation he's in. You know he won't give any information up, so Le Chiffre has to keep stepping up his escalatory tactics, until finally White steps in to end it all. And if it wasn't for White, Bond would have been in a bigger living hell than before. I think that scene really delivers on everything a good suspense scene requires, where you fully believe for a second that your hero will pay the ultimate price, and where their safety isn't entirely assured.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    It's so cool how Bond is just not going to give up. He never gives up. Drill his brain, cut his balls, it makes no difference to him. So cool! Confident and defiant to the last.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    It's so cool how Bond is just not going to give up. He never gives up. Drill his brain, cut his balls, it makes no difference to him. So cool! Confident and defiant to the last.

    That's what makes him inspirational. I know the idea of him dying still bothers people, and will probably be divisive forever, but if it ever had to be done, that was the perfect way to do it. He faces his fate with bravery, and fights till the end. Doesn't give up, doesn't complain, doesn't bargain. Just says goodbye to all his loved ones and finishes the mission, able to die with pride because he never compromised his duty. I hope we can all face our ends with as much humility, integrity and courage, though hopefully none of us have to die in a missile barrage to save the entire planet. But you know what I mean.

    I think casual audiences think Bond has the most appeal to the ardent fans because he has cool clothes, cool cars, gets gorgeous women and uses cool gadgets and travels to exotic locations. And all that stuff is definitely cool, but what keeps me coming back to the series is just who Bond is. A force of nature that will do whatever it takes to complete his mission, with a surprising amount of principles, honor and heart than you'd expect from a trained killer. The wonderful, beautiful contradiction he is.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    There's a lot of suspenseful scenes in the Bond films, and I think all of them were great.

    It's one of the main staples of James Bond, suspense, thrill, action and escapism.
    Fleming wrote some of them in his books.
    So, it's hard, there's a lot to choose from these films.
    There's a lot to nominate.

    And everyone also forgot here the scene in Dr. No, where Bond, Honey and Quarrel were hiding from the bad guys and even using a straw to hide under the swamp.
    It's also a suspenseful scene as Bond was telling Honey Ryder to keep quiet because Dr. No's men might caught them.

    So I would also nominate that one as well.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    From the early films, few moments stand out in the way that the laser table scene in GF does. There's a lot of suspense in Sean's films, but that one really stands out as a moment where the performances, cinematography and score come together to create a really dramatic, dour moment for Bond where it doesn't seem like he's going to be able to fight or talk his way out of it. GF has a lot of problems, but that's a real standout moment. Bond trying to defuse the bomb to the last seconds inside Fort Knox is also a real nail-biter that gets you on the edge of your seat.

    I also think of TB's sequence where Bond is chased by Volpe and her goons. He's shot, bleeding in a rare moment of us truly seeing Bond wounded, and you really feel the danger as he's closed in on more and more over time, before he's dancing with Fiona and watching a gun raised at him from afar. A real peak moment of danger for Bond, with seemingly no way out, till he creates one himself.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Great comment @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 I have recently done a Bond-a-thon with Dover Junior and what has struck me watching the films in order is the danger and suspense in the first adventures. Dove Jr. pointed out this right from DN when Connery is in the after pipes. He remarked "wow he's getting roughed up here." It was a constant in the first films. I think from YOLT onwards until TLD the sense of danger is minimized a bit, though Moore's Bond has some great moments of it.

  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    The laser scene has suspense, indeed. But the TB scene at the carneval? Not for me, only a lot of annoying noises. One of the low lights of the series for me.

    Someone brought up the NTTD opening. This is definitely one of the most suspenseful scenes. However, it is better to see Bond in real danger instead of other characters. Therefore, FYEO still gets my vote. It especially stands out for me because it is Moore who usually can simply push a button to solve the problem.
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
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    It especially stands out for me because it is Moore who usually can simply push a button to solve the problem.

    Oh, I don't think that's fair to Roger's Bond at all! And Sean did have the DB5 and Little Nellie.

    I find a lot more satisfying suspense in Roger's films than I do in Sean's. Sean's Bond is frequently a passive beneficiary of other people's actions:

    Oh, no, Klebb's gonna get him! Oh wait, Tatiana shot her.
    How's Bond gonna get off the laser table? Oh, Goldfinger changed his mind.
    How's Bond gonna diffuse the bomb? Oh, Pussy resolved the entire plot off screen and someone showed up to switch it off.
    How's Bond gonna get off this crazy out-of-control back rack? Oh, Pat showed up and turned it off.
    Oh no, Largo has the upper hand! Oh, Domino shot him.
    Blofeld's about to shoot Bond! Oh no! Oh, Tiger threw a ninja star at him.
    How's Bond gonna get out of the furnace? Oh, they switched it off.

    There's really quite a lot of it. It feels like Roger's on his own most of the time to solve his problems. He may use a gadget, like the wrist dart on the centrifuge, but at least Holly doesn't just turn it off for him!

  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    Good points @ProfJoeButcher. I never saw it this way. I wonder how the numbers would be if we counted all the moments where Bond saves itself with a gadget compared to other skills (?)
    To rephrase it: The moment in FYEO stands out even more (imo) because Moore is usually seen in the movies and scenes with a lighter tone.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I like the wrist dart in the centrifuge. It just makes sense. It's the second time that he uses it that it is a groaner, because it isn't as fresh.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Bond on his knees in FRWL.

    Honorable mentions:
    • GF: Waiting for Bond to take at least one sip of the mint julep while Goldfinger explains his caper.
    • LALD: Alligator farm.
    • DAD: Wondering if Madonna returns after the Blades sword fight sequence. (She doesn't.)
    • CR: Bond poisoned.
    • QOS: Will Fields confirm she's actually wearing SOMETHING under that trenchcoat.
    • SP: Blofeld's entrance and long pause before speaking at the meeting.
    • NTTD: Opening.
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