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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    DN.
    Except for the GE scene, the rest are all great, especially LTK.
  • R1s1ngs0nR1s1ngs0n France
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    Another worthy contender would have been the Stromberg/Jaws intro. Absolutely majestic, especially Atlantis rising to the sound of Mozart.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    FRWL Tatiana meeting Klebb. Great scene pretty close to the book.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    R1s1ngs0n wrote: »
    Another worthy contender would have been the Stromberg/Jaws intro. Absolutely majestic, especially Atlantis rising to the sound of Mozart.

    Good call.
  • Posts: 5,993
    M in jail in TWINE would have gotten my vote if it had been nominated. Using resources at hand (the clock, and her chip card) to send a message showed that, for a pencil-pusher, that lady had smarts (and class, but given she's played by Judi Dench, that goes without saying).
  • Tough choice. I'll go with the Spectre meeting from TB... but Dent & Dr. No are a close second.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Spectre meeting is good, but there are a lot of potential candidates for this one. Something like Corinne's put down comes to mind; the LALD funeral; Scaramanga's fun house... where to start.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited September 2022 Posts: 3,789
    Also, another potential candidates:

    1. Zorin's skyship blimp meeting with other of his Manufacturers from AVTAK.
    2. The Tracy and Gunther fight from OHMSS.
    3. The same could be said for Goldfinger having a meeting with the gangsters in GF.
    4. The meeting between Le Chiffre and Obanno in Africa in CR.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    MI6HQ wrote: »
    3. The same could be said for Goldfinger having a meeting with the gangsters in GF.

    Yes that's a great suggestion.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Tracy and Blofeld in Piz Gloria.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    mtm wrote: »
    MI6HQ wrote: »
    3. The same could be said for Goldfinger having a meeting with the gangsters in GF.

    Yes that's a great suggestion.

    Technically Bond was in that scene, but it is a great scene! ;)
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    I nominate the whole of Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, Skyfall, Spectre and No Time to Die, because Craig was playing Bond in those films, but Craig Not Bond, right?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    There's a few that come to my mind that I won't vote on, but like to shout out as they stick in my mind.

    I enjoy all the SPECTRE scenes of TB where we gradually see the organization's plot unfold. That movie really lets you ride front seat with the villains in a way we don't see as much, as the screen time of most of the films always prioritize Bond and what he's doing more. FRWL is also brilliant at this, letting us see Klebb and Grant scheme and play their own shadowy game as Bond is none the wiser.

    I also immediately thought of Greene and Medrano's meeting in the desert at the end of QoS. I just love how cooly Greene plays the general and gently leads him into exactly the corner he wants him in to get what he wants. A great example of a villain being a genuine smart threat, and also a nice example of how powerful the organization was. I also appreciate it as a modern way of making a Bond villain menacing without going over the top. QoS may be the most grounded Bond villain plot we've had, and that's one of the things I really appreciate about it.

    The MI6 toast to Bond after his death in NTTD is also one I think of. I just enjoy how downplayed it is, which is fitting for Bond. He wouldn't want a funeral, or big send-off, and the way that scene was handled made perfect sense for the man that hated reading his obituary in SF for the same reasons. He'd have respected the quick toast sans the pomp and over emotion, and understood that even in his death "the show must go on" as there are always new threats on the horizon. The rest of the world doesn't know who Bond is, no matter how many times he's saved it, and I love the bittersweet nature of his small but trusted group of allies/friends toasting the mysterious and complicated man that inspired them to be better, and to live as he lived. Savoring every moment, living without regret, and making the most of what you have. Bond worked and lived in the shadows, so he must be mourned in the shadows as well, unknown to the rest of the world but unforgotten by his comrades. I just love that, and I think it is a suitable adaption of the very bittersweet nature of the service that Fleming wrote about in his books.


    This all being said, I can't think of any non-Bond scene that has stayed with me like this one has:



    M during the inquiry, firing on all cylinders and fighting for her agents and the 00 program with fierceness, eloquence and bravery. Her back against the wall, she speaks so beautifully and so forcibly. Everything comes together, from the staging of the sequence to the evocative music and Dench just being Dench, at the top of her game. The quote from Tennyson is the icing on the cake, a perfect symbol of who this M and Bond were, daring and strong survivors that never gave up. The scene never fails to bring tears to my eyes, as it just hits all the right notes. I think it's also a good shout for this topic because while the film intercuts between Bond and the inquiry, he's not there when M needs him, though he's trying his best to get there. The anxiety and tension of the scene is increased all the more because we know Silva and mortal danger are there at the inquiry, but Bond is not. I love the shot that lingers on M in close-up as Silva has her in his crosshairs. Unafraid, accepting of whatever may come, she stands for what she's done without regret. What a legend, and the M to end all Ms.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited September 2022 Posts: 3,789
    echo wrote: »
    Tracy and Blofeld in Piz Gloria.

    Yes, I also forgot this! I would vote for this if belongs in the option, no one could go wrong with Diana Rigg speaking poetry!
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    MI6HQ wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Tracy and Blofeld in Piz Gloria.

    Yes, I also forgot this! I would vote for this if belongs in the option, no one could go wrong with Diana Rigg speaking poetry!

    Ah yeah that was legendary, paired alongside the "mercy flight" scenes with Draco and Bond... so brilliant.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    edited September 2022 Posts: 7,120
    I’d love to add a few more that haven’t been mentioned:

    - TMWTGG pre-titles, sets up the great villain that carries the rest of the film, his preferred weapon and his deadly funhouse.


    - Orlov’s speech in OP, this guy is totally insane and has way too much power. Great set, too.


    - Necros infiltrates the Mi6 safehouse and ‘captures’ Koskov in TLD. The competent henchman in action with exploding milk bottles on a kick-ass Barry score.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    MI6HQ wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Tracy and Blofeld in Piz Gloria.

    Yes, I also forgot this! I would vote for this if belongs in the option, no one could go wrong with Diana Rigg speaking poetry!

    Ah yeah that was legendary, paired alongside the "mercy flight" scenes with Draco and Bond... so brilliant.

    "I want to see the dawn."
  • Posts: 15,117
    thedove wrote: »
    Okay the academy has spoken with some members stating the case for their best ending very eloquently. The winner is....We have all the time in the world On Her Majesty's Secret Service coming to the stage to accept the award is George Lazenby, but he will not make an acceptance speech as he doesn't wish to offend anyone!

    The votes looked like this!
    • OHMSS received 13 votes
    • No Time to Die received 1 vote
    • Octopussy received 1 vote
    • Quantum of Solace received 4 votes
    • write in votes for CR (2), MR (1), TMWTGG (1), FYEO (1), DN (1)

    Our next category was created by @NickTwentyTwo with assistance of @alibondgirl. The Bondie is for great scenes that don't feature James Bond! Many times in the series there have been wonderful scenes where our man is no where in sight. Might be villains plotting, or other nefarious actions! I made one small change and removed Necros fighting with Number 4 and inserted the meeting of Klebb with Tatiana in FRWL

    Here are the nominees:
    • Franz and Dario Give Lupa his Heart in LTK
    • Klebb meets Tatiana in FRWL
    • Dr. No Threatens Dent in DN
    • Spectre Meeting in Paris TB
    • Ourumov and Xenia Test GoldenEye Firing Time in GE
    • Mallory tells Q and Tanner We're All Buggered in SF

    So what does the academy think? Which scene deserves a Bondie for being the best without James Bond?

    I honestly struggle with that one. Either FRWL or TB. But then again I think there are maybe even better or just as good scenes in these two movies: when Blofeld is introduced for instance and the chat between Largo and Fiona Volpe. Or when Largo tortures Domino. Or when Derval is murdered. I love the scene on DN too. Or the introduction of the three blind mice.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    My vote goes to TB. Not only is it an iconic scene (yes, GF did it 'first', but to the effevt of Monty Norman's first version of the Bond tune compared to the Barry improvements), but it shows us the menace that is Blofeld, and the coldness that is Emilio Largo. A business man in every sense of the word, professional as can be and undeterred by what happens around him. The scene is extremely well executed, to the extend that we all already feel that Bond is up against the biggest advisary up until then.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 2022 Posts: 16,383
    There's a few that come to my mind that I won't vote on, but like to shout out as they stick in my mind.

    I enjoy all the SPECTRE scenes of TB where we gradually see the organization's plot unfold. That movie really lets you ride front seat with the villains in a way we don't see as much, as the screen time of most of the films always prioritize Bond and what he's doing more. FRWL is also brilliant at this, letting us see Klebb and Grant scheme and play their own shadowy game as Bond is none the wiser.

    I also immediately thought of Greene and Medrano's meeting in the desert at the end of QoS. I just love how cooly Greene plays the general and gently leads him into exactly the corner he wants him in to get what he wants. A great example of a villain being a genuine smart threat, and also a nice example of how powerful the organization was. I also appreciate it as a modern way of making a Bond villain menacing without going over the top. QoS may be the most grounded Bond villain plot we've had, and that's one of the things I really appreciate about it.

    The MI6 toast to Bond after his death in NTTD is also one I think of. I just enjoy how downplayed it is, which is fitting for Bond. He wouldn't want a funeral, or big send-off, and the way that scene was handled made perfect sense for the man that hated reading his obituary in SF for the same reasons. He'd have respected the quick toast sans the pomp and over emotion, and understood that even in his death "the show must go on" as there are always new threats on the horizon. The rest of the world doesn't know who Bond is, no matter how many times he's saved it, and I love the bittersweet nature of his small but trusted group of allies/friends toasting the mysterious and complicated man that inspired them to be better, and to live as he lived. Savoring every moment, living without regret, and making the most of what you have. Bond worked and lived in the shadows, so he must be mourned in the shadows as well, unknown to the rest of the world but unforgotten by his comrades. I just love that, and I think it is a suitable adaption of the very bittersweet nature of the service that Fleming wrote about in his books.


    This all being said, I can't think of any non-Bond scene that has stayed with me like this one has:



    M during the inquiry, firing on all cylinders and fighting for her agents and the 00 program with fierceness, eloquence and bravery. Her back against the wall, she speaks so beautifully and so forcibly. Everything comes together, from the staging of the sequence to the evocative music and Dench just being Dench, at the top of her game. The quote from Tennyson is the icing on the cake, a perfect symbol of who this M and Bond were, daring and strong survivors that never gave up. The scene never fails to bring tears to my eyes, as it just hits all the right notes. I think it's also a good shout for this topic because while the film intercuts between Bond and the inquiry, he's not there when M needs him, though he's trying his best to get there. The anxiety and tension of the scene is increased all the more because we know Silva and mortal danger are there at the inquiry, but Bond is not. I love the shot that lingers on M in close-up as Silva has her in his crosshairs. Unafraid, accepting of whatever may come, she stands for what she's done without regret. What a legend, and the M to end all Ms.

    Oh the inquiry, of course. I guess perhaps the intercutting to Bond makes it arguable that he isn't in the scene (although I think I'd agree with you that he isn't!) but it's got to be the best M-in-charge scene of the lot. I think my vote's with that one! :)
    And anyone who says Newman was the wrong man for the gig can suck on this scene frankly :D
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Newman's Tennyson & Enquiry really works for this scene. It just goes so well with M's speech & Craig's Bond running to save the day. I love the way Enquiry kicks in, immediately after Mallory is shot and Craig's Bond is quickly shown speeding up his running. It's one of the few good action Bond music from Newman.
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    My vote goes to TB. Not only is it an iconic scene (yes, GF did it 'first', but to the effevt of Monty Norman's first version of the Bond tune compared to the Barry improvements), but it shows us the menace that is Blofeld, and the coldness that is Emilio Largo. A business man in every sense of the word, professional as can be and undeterred by what happens around him. The scene is extremely well executed, to the extend that we all already feel that Bond is up against the biggest advisary up until then.

    You convinced me @CommanderRoss . My vote goes for TB, after careful consideration. Simply because for villain(s)/scheme introduction, I don't think it has been topped yet.
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    Someone mentioned Corinne being hunted and killed - superb ! Truly a standout in a film - MR - which is very mixed up, as was the cool fight in Blue and Black which ended with the killed assassin striking a discordant note when he went out the wrong exit.

    Trying not to go with the early stuff, but - FRWL and SPECTRE Island...with a tour for Klebb lead by General Gogol's twin, eh ? He later dies on a boat learning that boats and fires do not mix well. At any rate, Klebb gives Grant a helluva punch and he doesn't flinch. It's funny how this scene was adopted thereafter for Q to show Bond something new as they walk by a variety of new gadgets being worked out. The first time it was done, though, it was with bad guys. By the way - where the BLEEP is SPECTRE Island ?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Another that I can't believe I didn't think of...

    The beginning of NTTD is just spectacular. It starts so innocently, and builds to this surreal, horror styled sequence that feels like it belongs in a genre film around Halloween and not in a Bond movie. It's refreshing, not just for how truly unsettling it is and for how surprising it is to see in a movie of this kind, but also for how it puts a child in true mortal danger (not all that common in movies these days, really). I also love that it sets up a future conflict to come while teasing our villain and gives us context as to what Madeleine has faced and overcome in her life. Seeing that moment in her life gives us a lot of understanding of why she is as strong as she is, why she's guarded and why she can understand men like Bond. And that mask...oh, that mask.
  • edited October 2022 Posts: 1,405
    Best scenes not involving Bond:

    1-The fight between Necros and Green Four, TREMENDOUS UNDERRATED SLUGFEST in The Living Daylights.
    2- M's inquiry in Skyfall, especially when she's quoting Tennyson.
    3- Hugo Drax letting the dogs loose on Corrine Dufour, Moonraker
    4- Meeting between President Hector Lopez and Sanchez; "Remember, you're only President for life"... from Licence to Kill.
    5- Severnaya's destruction by Goldeneye.

    If I have to stick with the nominees, my vote goes to "Give her his heart".

  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    3- Meeting between President Hector Lopez and Sanchez; "Remember, you're only President for life"... from Licence to Kill.

    That is a great line.

  • Posts: 1,405
    May I suggest a category:

    Best M.

    My choices:

    Gold Medal: Ralph Fiennes
    Silver Medal: Dame Judy Dench
    Bronze Medal: Bernard Lee.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Gold: Bernard Lee
    Silver. Robert Brown
    Bronze: John Huston
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    Gold : Bernard Lee
    Silver : Robert Brown
    Bronze : Judi Dench
  • CharmianBondCharmianBond Pett Bottom, Kent
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    Gold: Judi Dench
    Silver: Bernard Lee
    Bronze: Ralph Fiennes
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