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  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Gerard wrote: »
    What ? No lieutenant Hip (from TMWTGG) ? The man who managed to leave Bond behind, leéaving him to the tender mercies of a whole karate school ?

    LMAO. Good point.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Are we assessing the role of the character or the performance of the actor?
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I'd like us to consider the actor playing the part as opposed to the character.
  • GeneralGogolGeneralGogol
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    Jack "what are you trying to do, start World War 3?" Terry as Felix Leiter in TLD

    His posse is fine though!
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
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    mtm wrote: »
    Interesting he never turned up in the Brosnan movies, perhaps a hint that they took place in the same continuity as the Dalton films.

    I think they did. GE was originally written with Dalton's Bond in the author's mind. I see the events of TLD and LTK as happening between the PTS of GE and the remainder of that film. Therefore, a retroactive subtext of Dalton's Bond being haunted by 006's "death" can be read into both of his adventures.

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    PrinceKamalKhan wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Interesting he never turned up in the Brosnan movies, perhaps a hint that they took place in the same continuity as the Dalton films.

    I think they did. GE was originally written with Dalton's Bond in the author's mind. I see the events of TLD and LTK as happening between the PTS of GE and the remainder of that film. Therefore, a retroactive subtext of Dalton's Bond being haunted by 006's "death" can be read into both of his adventures.

    Plus in GE the new M is having Bond assessed, perhaps because she read he went rogue in Florida?
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    Well, my vote won't win for sure, but I will vote for Topol in FYEO. Whilst this is my least favourite Bond film of the ones nominated I do rate Topol as one of the brightest and best elements of FYEO. I think he is terrific in it and raises the film in a way non of the other actors nominated particularly do.

    John Moreno in the same film though. How can a character who has such a large role be almost unnoticed. His death barely registers because when he isn't in a scene you totally forget he exists.
    Terry isn't good, but curiously he is a better fit for Dalton than Hedison ever was.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
    edited May 2020 Posts: 4,399
    my votes...

    Best Male Bond Ally... Kerim Bay in FRWL.

    Worst Male Bond Ally... Luigi in FYEO..

    but i am writing in both Lt. Hip and Sheriff J.W. Pepper from TMWTGG... and along with Goodnight - this might be the one movie with the most inept allys Bond could ask for.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Excellent starting to get some diverse responses. I would vote for Luigi too. The character has some nice quirks but yes there is no emotional punch to his death and I put that on the actor. He's just "there" for lack of a better word.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    edited May 2020 Posts: 5,131
    Best - Kerim Bey - Great Fleming created legend.
    Worst - R and Jack Wade - Lazy, uninspired writing.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
    edited May 2020 Posts: 7,021
    The BFAA (Bond Film Academy of Arts) has just unveiled the Bondie statuettes for the best and worst categories:

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    Here's one of the happy recipients:

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  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Thanks @mattjoes this all feels so official! Maybe we should call them a Sean and a Pepper! LOL! :)

    Lets give out a Bondie for Best Director. The director of the Bond films are often overlooked at award time. However they are in charge of a massive production. They work with the actors to bring the story to life. The series has been blessed with some truly talented men (will we ever see a female director, but I digress). I've tried to stick to 5 for each category. Even though all our nominees have multiple Bond entries (except for Peter) I have picked what I think was their best directorial effort!

    The nominees are:

    From Russia with Love... Terence Young
    Goldeneye... Martin Campbell
    Goldfinger... Guy Hamilton
    Skyfall... Sam Mendes
    On Her Majesty's Secret Service... Peter Hunt

    And the Bondie goes to...
  • GerardGerard
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    Terence Young, of course.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    Skyfall-Sam Mendes
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    This academy member votes for Hunt.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Terence Young
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    My vote is for Terence Young (mainly for FRWL, to a lesser degree for DN, not so much for TB). Still on average a somewhat better record than Sam's, with a close-to-perfect SF and a mediocre SP.
  • GeneralGogolGeneralGogol
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    From Russia with Love... Terence Young
  • BeatlesSansEarmuffsBeatlesSansEarmuffs
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    I could vote in favor of Martin Campbell, crediting his work on both Goldeneye and Casino Royale...... but seriously, how can you not credit Terence Young for much of Sean Connery's approach to the character and the overall style of the series as a whole? Terence Young for the win!
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Peter Hunt.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 2020 Posts: 16,422
    Gosh I'm not very good at being able to spot the work of a director: it's all about the routes not taken in a way. I'd definitely have given Campbell a nod for CR..

    But I'm going to go for Mendes as well. That's a rather brilliantly handled Bond film, slick in a way they've almost never been before and yet feeling completely comfortable as part of the series, getting real emotional reactions from the audience at just the right places.
  • 2Wint2Kidd2Wint2Kidd
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    This is a toughie. All great picks, but sadly no room for Lewis Gilbert. I will go in favor of Peter Hunt, but anyone of these picks could win and I would be fine.
  • UnivexUnivex
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    Terence Young.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    Terence Young
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    2Wint2Kidd wrote: »
    This is a toughie. All great picks, but sadly no room for Lewis Gilbert. I will go in favor of Peter Hunt, but anyone of these picks could win and I would be fine.

    I'm trying to stick to 5. I first had Lewis Gilbert for Spy on the list, but I had omitted Hunt for OHMSS. I like that I am making it tough for people to answer. :) Great depth of talent as directors.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
    edited May 2020 Posts: 7,021
    I wouldn't pick Mendes. In Skyfall, he is good with the dramatic stuff, his film shows flair, and he has some really interesting ideas for his characters, but he doesn't bring the energy and pace I want in a Bond film. It doesn't feel "snappy" enough. Also, this idea of Bond crying for M is something that I feel might work "on the page", and is a plausible concept for an espionage film, but watching it in a Bond film, it still feels strange to me. His hand is behind that decision, so it's a no for him.

    Peter Hunt really gets a lot of things right with OHMSS. His sense of style, as evidenced both through image and sound --often in innovative ways--, is impeccable. His film feels exciting, dangerous and sexy. He also gets good things out of newcomer Lazenby and the other actors are terrific casting choices. However, I still feel the pace of the film is a bit off and it is a bit overlong. Admittedly, in part this has to do with the structure of the story, but for instance, I also feel the stretch with Bond romancing the angels of death lacks substance, much like those characters. It could've been shortened, or changed somehow. Considering these kinds of things are reflections of the director's judgment to some extent, I wouldn't pick him either. In terms of what I want in a Bond film, his work here still tops that of Mendes in Skyfall, however.

    The next three candidates are more difficult to decide between. Young and Hamilton each are really good in their respective approaches to Bond. I was trying to think of how to best describe what I think each of them is good at, and this might be a fair attempt, if it makes any sense: Young brings the style out of the substance, while Hamilton brings the substance out of the style.

    Campbell kind of falls in the middle between them.

    It's a hard choice, but for me, the Sean for best director goes to Campbell for his work in GE. He's not a pioneer of the Bond films, but he takes the work of his predecessors a little further, he refines just a little more. His artistic sensibilities appear to align perfectly with my taste.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I'll be interested to see the list for worst though! Will Gilbert make it for Moonraker? :) I suspect there may be some room for a Kiwi...
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    I wouldn't pick Mendes. In Skyfall, he is good with the dramatic stuff, his film shows flair, and he has some really interesting ideas for his characters, but he doesn't bring the energy and pace I want in a Bond film. It doesn't feel "snappy" enough. Also, this idea of Bond crying for M is something that I feel might work "on the page", and is a plausible concept for an espionage film, but watching it in a Bond film, it still feels strange to me. His hand is behind that decision, so it's a no for him.

    Peter Hunt really gets a lot of things right with OHMSS. His sense of style, as evidenced both through image and sound --often in innovative ways--, is impeccable. His film feels exciting, dangerous and sexy. He also gets good things out of newcomer Lazenby and the other actors are terrific casting choices. However, I still feel the pace of the film is a bit off and it is a bit overlong. Admittedly, in part this has to do with the structure of the story, but for instance, I also feel the stretch with Bond romancing the angels of death lacks substance, much like those characters. It could've been shortened, or changed somehow. Considering these kinds of things are reflections of the director's judgment to some extent, I wouldn't pick him either. In terms of what I want in a Bond film, his work here still tops that of Mendes in Skyfall, however.

    The next three candidates are more difficult to decide between. Young and Hamilton each are really good in their respective approaches to Bond. I was trying to think of how to best describe what I think each of them is good at, and this might be a fair attempt, if it makes any sense: Young brings the style out of the substance, while Hamilton brings the substance out of the style.

    Campbell kind of falls in the middle between them.

    It's a hard choice, but for me, the Sean for best director goes to Campbell for his work in GE. He's not a pioneer of the Bond films, but he takes the work of his predecessors a little further, he refines just a little more. His artistic sensibilities appear to align perfectly with my taste.

    Not any stranger than watching Bond weep for Vesper.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited May 2020 Posts: 7,553
    NicNac wrote: »
    Well, my vote won't win for sure, but I will vote for Topol in FYEO. Whilst this is my least favourite Bond film of the ones nominated I do rate Topol as one of the brightest and best elements of FYEO. I think he is terrific in it and raises the film in a way non of the other actors nominated particularly do.

    John Moreno in the same film though. How can a character who has such a large role be almost unnoticed. His death barely registers because when he isn't in a scene you totally forget he exists.
    Terry isn't good, but curiously he is a better fit for Dalton than Hedison ever was.

    Another Columbo fan! :D

    I'm more surprised GoldenEye won out against Casino Royale for Campbell's best directing effort than anything else, but I'll still give my vote to Campbell. I agree though with @mtm that I'm not very good at spotting the work of a director.
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