NTTD & Corona

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  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    He seems healthy enough to me.
  • RedNineRedNine Poland
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    Going back to the discussion... Do you think any potential delay will get another date straight away or will they use Tenet/Mulan tactic of delaying it indefinitely ? Seems like that would be smarter idea considering that we have no idea at what point the situation will go back to being normal enough to release movies and still it gives flexibility to release the movie whenever the situation is good enough for them. Also, logically, this way they could also save some PR money since there wouldn't be much competition in cinemas to fight against and the sole fact that new movie is released brings a lot of unpaid publicity
  • I agree with RedNine. This is now an increasingly uncertain situation. Infection rates are increasing in several European countries. We won't know how Tenet performs until early September at best. I've previously guessed that Summer 2021 is the likely date but it would surely be sensible to cancel November and leave the new date open until Universal/UA are certain they have a date that can be met. Flights to Spain from UK are next to empty. Many people just aren't going to want to risk going to cinemas for a considerable time going forward.
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    DoctorNo wrote: »

    Interesting, but this part makes me think No Time to Die won't be getting the treatment:

    The deal doesn’t mean that every Universal movie is coming to the home after less than three weeks. Some movies probably will have longer exclusive theatrical runs before going to premium video on demand. A global blockbuster such as “Fast & Furious 9" or “Jurassic World: Dominion” probably will benefit from staying only in theaters longer, because of the high production budgets and big-screen appeal.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    It certainly won't apply to Bond in the US, since the domestic box office is supposed to be handled by UA Releasing.
  • edited July 2020 Posts: 3,164
    It certainly won't apply to Bond in the US, since the domestic box office is supposed to be handled by UA Releasing.

    Which is not afraid of doing day and date (though I don't think they're counting on AMC and the likes of it to play Bill and Ted 3 anyway).

    But I really don't think we should dismiss this as a factor in play with NTTD. After yesterday's Tenet move they're under huge pressure, no doubt, to stay in November. If the US situation remains a lost cause by then, do they follow a similar staggered approach? Do they delay the US to 2021? Or, while it gets a more or less traditional release everywhere else, in the US they use the PVOD-after-3-weeks option...
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Where posters were identified as trolls and banned, why are their posts and quotes of their mischief still on display instead of deleted?

    Helps serve as evidence as to why they were removed (in case some members start pointing fingers). Plus, it's a lot of work going back and deleting that many comments.
  • edited July 2020 Posts: 12,466
    antovolk wrote: »
    It certainly won't apply to Bond in the US, since the domestic box office is supposed to be handled by UA Releasing.

    Which is not afraid of doing day and date (though I don't think they're counting on AMC and the likes of it to play Bill and Ted 3 anyway).

    But I really don't think we should dismiss this as a factor in play with NTTD. After yesterday's Tenet move they're under huge pressure, no doubt, to stay in November. If the US situation remains a lost cause by then, do they follow a similar staggered approach? Do they delay the US to 2021? Or, while it gets a more or less traditional release everywhere else, in the US they use the PVOD-after-3-weeks option...

    Just a slight bit of hope remains in me that Tenet's model will work decently enough to allow NTTD to still come out this year in at least non-US territories. It's already been delayed so long, and theaters need some new movies to generate some revenue, even if it's not as big as before. Strict safety guidelines of course must be in place though, like masks and seating control.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Another possibility, @Creasy47: leaving their mischief on display encourages a repeat of their behavior. I don't think anyone comes off well interacting with them, no winners.

    But that's just one view, I don't plan to bring it up again.


  • OOWolfOOWolf Savannah
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    I think everyone can calm down, as I think a new rescheduled date would have already been announced. Not to support trolling, and aside from the sensationalist "firing" approach, I think that that some of these posters actually provided some compelling arguments. For example, EON is essentially a boutique production company that specializes in producing Bond and primarily Bond. With that in mind, they don't feel as if they're pressured to adhere to a fixed schedule and are 97.5% sure that the name Bond still carries weight on its own.

    I do think it's frustrating that we've had to wait for as long as we've had, just for Craig to make up his mind, especially since SPECTRE was a very underwhelming entry. I would have come back for the paycheck too, but I think EON would have saved their money and had a lot more to work with if Craig's decision making period were on a tight schedule; hence, recasting and restructuring. As excited as I am to see 'NTTD,' the preceding story in SPECTRE was unnecessary and a cheap twist maneuver-filled film created to tie up "loose ends." Now we need another "against the grain" film, that was very difficult to write, mind you, to essentially tie the loose ends that have already been tied, because no one was truly convinced that they were properly...tied.

    The frustration here lies in the delays leading into this crisis. I strongly assume that every fan would be a lot more calm and understanding had they not read/heard about the repeated pattern of difficulties that have ensued over the past several years. Inspiration and creativity would speak for themselves. The bottom line is that the film is bound to come out in some way, shape or form, in the fairly imminent future. Now, the fact that EON is no longer a well oiled machine run by it's maker is a different story altogether; however, at the same time, how do we, the fans, rationally know if the series has run its course or not?
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
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    The series hasn’t run its course. Casino Royale proved that it’s still awesome. EON just had no idea how to follow it up.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    OOWolf wrote: »
    I think everyone can calm down, as I think a new rescheduled date would have already been announced. Not to support trolling, and aside from the sensationalist "firing" approach, I think that that some of these posters actually provided some compelling arguments. For example, EON is essentially a boutique production company that specializes in producing Bond and primarily Bond. With that in mind, they don't feel as if they're pressured to adhere to a fixed schedule and are 97.5% sure that the name Bond still carries weight on its own.

    I do think it's frustrating that we've had to wait for as long as we've had, just for Craig to make up his mind, especially since SPECTRE was a very underwhelming entry. I would have come back for the paycheck too, but I think EON would have saved their money and had a lot more to work with if Craig's decision making period were on a tight schedule; hence, recasting and restructuring. As excited as I am to see 'NTTD,' the preceding story in SPECTRE was unnecessary and a cheap twist maneuver-filled film created to tie up "loose ends." Now we need another "against the grain" film, that was very difficult to write, mind you, to essentially tie the loose ends that have already been tied, because no one was truly convinced that they were properly...tied.

    The frustration here lies in the delays leading into this crisis. I strongly assume that every fan would be a lot more calm and understanding had they not read/heard about the repeated pattern of difficulties that have ensued over the past several years. Inspiration and creativity would speak for themselves. The bottom line is that the film is bound to come out in some way, shape or form, in the fairly imminent future. Now, the fact that EON is no longer a well oiled machine run by it's maker is a different story altogether; however, at the same time, how do we, the fans, rationally know if the series has run its course or not?

    The public is not going to blame Eon/Bond for not making the November date, if that's what happens. The virus is bigger than any of that.

    FWIW, the Barbara who insisted on casting Craig in 2005 is the same Barbara who waited for him in 2019. None of the issues I have with QoS, SF, or SP have to do with Craig's performance--to the contrary, he's the best thing in all three of these films.

    In holding onto Craig for as long as she can, I don't think Barbara has been proven wrong yet.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    echo wrote: »
    FWIW, the Barbara who insisted on casting Craig in 2005 is the same Barbara who waited for him in 2019. None of the issues I have with QoS, SF, or SP have to do with Craig's performance--to the contrary, he's the best thing in all three of these films.

    In holding onto Craig for as long as she can, I don't think Barbara has been proven wrong yet.

    Amen to that, @echo!
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    FWIW, the Barbara who insisted on casting Craig in 2005 is the same Barbara who waited for him in 2019. None of the issues I have with QoS, SF, or SP have to do with Craig's performance--to the contrary, he's the best thing in all three of these films.

    In holding onto Craig for as long as she can, I don't think Barbara has been proven wrong yet.

    Amen to that, @echo!

    Yes, as much as i didn't like he took so much time to decide, Barbara isn't wrong to hold on to Craig. He is one of the best thing that happened to the series.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    It always made sense to me that Moore allowed the series to survive through the "difficult" '70s. Well, it also makes sense to me that Craig secured the future of Bond in this cynical day and age. I'm not saying Craig is literally the only one who could do this but seeing how well audiences have thus far responded to him as Bond, it doesn't look like it could have gone even better with anyone else. Remember how "controversial" his casting in 2005 was. But he charmed us all the way through the magnificent CR and we bonded with Bond like we hadn't in a very long time. Even without a new film every two years, this is still "Craig's tenure" as Bond. And people like that. When his fifth was announced, there wasn't any outrage, even after the "slit-my-wrists" comment (which was always taken out of context.) Instead, it felt like most people were sort of expecting/wanting it. While a younger Bond always seems the attractive option, it's clear that many folks still aren't done with Craig.

    In all fairness, they probably weren't done with Brosnan either. But things got shuffled and Craig made most audience members forget that a fifth Brosnan had tentatively been promised in '02.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    Just out of curiosity, did he really said that wrist, slashing comment or it was just tabloid trash?
  • RyanRyan Canada
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    I think it is greatly exaggerating to say we've have to wait as long as we have for any reason other than this virus. At this point it seems counter productive to hold on to frustration. Nobody could have predicted this. Let's not forget that we have a finished film that was quite literally ready to go for its April release date. Yeah we can say "well if it hadn't been for Craig, if it hadn't been for Boyle, curse that Daniel Craig for breaking another bone, Barbara should have moved on, etc..." until we're all blue in the face, but all of this is only coming about because we're still waiting. Had there been no pandemic and we all watched the film in April as intended, I'm sure the preceding delays would have been quickly forgotten.

    On the grand scheme of things, this is just a film. Special to all of us, of course. But we'll get it eventually. It sucks that we haven't been able to watch it yet, but that is hardly anybody's fault.
    Just out of curiosity, did he really said that wrist, slashing comment or it was just tabloid trash?

    He did indeed say it. He and Stephen Colbert have a bit of a laugh about it on that episode of his show when Craig announced he was indeed coming back.
  • OOWolfOOWolf Savannah
    edited July 2020 Posts: 140
    Ryan wrote: »
    I think it is greatly exaggerating to say we've have to wait as long as we have for any reason other than this virus. At this point it seems counter productive to hold on to frustration. Nobody could have predicted this. Let's not forget that we have a finished film that was quite literally ready to go for its April release date. Yeah we can say "well if it hadn't been for Craig, if it hadn't been for Boyle, curse that Daniel Craig for breaking another bone, Barbara should have moved on, etc..." until we're all blue in the face, but all of this is only coming about because we're still waiting. Had there been no pandemic and we all watched the film in April as intended, I'm sure the preceding delays would have been quickly forgotten.

    On the grand scheme of things, this is just a film. Special to all of us, of course. But we'll get it eventually. It sucks that we haven't been able to watch it yet, but that is hardly anybody's fault.

    I respect your response, but don't agree. I think Craig had definitely over-welcomed his stay. To be honest, I never thought he was right for Bond and I actually like him as an actor. I understand that they wanted to take a different approach by casting him in 'CR,' but they didn't adhere very much to his incarnation. There was a great article that recently came out on Screen Rant that essentially supports what I'm saying. EON tried too hard to bring Craig's Bond full circle to the Bond we had once known, but that was never bound to work properly with his iteration of the character.

    My whole argument is that none of the films post 'CR' portrayed a clear vision, while Craig had become a safe bet. Even 'SF' which grossed as much as it had, is a severely flawed film for a series that was rebooted to be "more grounded." I feel that SPECTRE should have never been made, and that they shouldn't have rushed to spend all their chips on rebooting Blofeld and the Spectre organization. If they were bound to do it, it should have been treated methodically, but instead, they tried to bank on nostalgia and unnecessary plot twists which didn't really strike a chord with anyone.

    Had 'SF' cemented Craig's legacy, they could have saved a fortune by rebooting, going for a more "classic" looking Bond, hiring new solid writers, a good director (who didn't have to be award winning), and dropping the budget. Instead, Barbara Broccoli and Craig formed a partnership which made it seem as if no one was Bond prior to Craig. Let's not forget that he was also given a producer role, which no Bond actor had ever previously earned. Plus, he had a lot of say in Boyle's dismissal.

    Although it's coulda, shoulda, woulda, another film, let alone 'NTTD,' could have already come out, and I mean way before the pandemic, and that's what's frustrating for many fans.

    By the way, here's the link to the Screen Rant article for those that have not read it:
    https://screenrant.com/spectre-james-bond-movie-bad-problems-reasons/
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    https://variety.com/2020/film/news/universal-amc-theatres-deal-1234719703/
    While Universal confirmed the deal won’t apply to tentpoles such as “No Time to Die,” where the studio is only handling international distribution (MGM will roll out the film in North America) it’s unknown exactly how many films will fall into the agreement.

    Well, I guess time to start preparing to 2021 for good, at least in the US.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    OOWolf wrote: »
    I think everyone can calm down, as I think a new rescheduled date would have already been announced. Not to support trolling, and aside from the sensationalist "firing" approach, I think that that some of these posters actually provided some compelling arguments. For example, EON is essentially a boutique production company that specializes in producing Bond and primarily Bond. With that in mind, they don't feel as if they're pressured to adhere to a fixed schedule and are 97.5% sure that the name Bond still carries weight on its own.

    I do think it's frustrating that we've had to wait for as long as we've had, just for Craig to make up his mind, especially since SPECTRE was a very underwhelming entry. I would have come back for the paycheck too, but I think EON would have saved their money and had a lot more to work with if Craig's decision making period were on a tight schedule; hence, recasting and restructuring. As excited as I am to see 'NTTD,' the preceding story in SPECTRE was unnecessary and a cheap twist maneuver-filled film created to tie up "loose ends." Now we need another "against the grain" film, that was very difficult to write, mind you, to essentially tie the loose ends that have already been tied, because no one was truly convinced that they were properly...tied.

    The frustration here lies in the delays leading into this crisis. I strongly assume that every fan would be a lot more calm and understanding had they not read/heard about the repeated pattern of difficulties that have ensued over the past several years. Inspiration and creativity would speak for themselves. The bottom line is that the film is bound to come out in some way, shape or form, in the fairly imminent future. Now, the fact that EON is no longer a well oiled machine run by it's maker is a different story altogether; however, at the same time, how do we, the fans, rationally know if the series has run its course or not?

    EON was likely willing to wait for Craig because of two reasons: 1) His films are the most successful at the box office this franchise has seen since the 1960s and he's generally regarded as one of the best Bonds. 2) They don't feel obligated to crank out a Bond film as soon as possible so they're much more patient. Keep in mind, we were originally supposed to get a Boyle Bond 25 in 2019, which meant EON felt it was not unreasonable to wait four years between films. They understood audience interest wouldn't necessarily diminish in four years, because SF is their most successful film and that followed a four year gap. Bond fans may express more impatience, but most audiences don't really care how long it takes to get a Bond film so long as there is one. Besides, we're in a reality where there are 24 Bond films at our disposal. So it's not like we're very depleted of Bond.

    Maybe growing up in an era when films came out every two years gives older fans a different perspective. I didn't grow up with Bond during those years, so three to four year gaps have been part of my experience with Bond ever since I started watching Bond. The only two year gap I ever experienced was between CR and QOS.
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    It always made sense to me that Moore allowed the series to survive through the "difficult" '70s. Well, it also makes sense to me that Craig secured the future of Bond in this cynical day and age. I'm not saying Craig is literally the only one who could do this but seeing how well audiences have thus far responded to him as Bond, it doesn't look like it could have gone even better with anyone else. Remember how "controversial" his casting in 2005 was. But he charmed us all the way through the magnificent CR and we bonded with Bond like we hadn't in a very long time. Even without a new film every two years, this is still "Craig's tenure" as Bond. And people like that. When his fifth was announced, there wasn't any outrage, even after the "slit-my-wrists" comment (which was always taken out of context.) Instead, it felt like most people were sort of expecting/wanting it. While a younger Bond always seems the attractive option, it's clear that many folks still aren't done with Craig.

    In all fairness, they probably weren't done with Brosnan either. But things got shuffled and Craig made most audience members forget that a fifth Brosnan had tentatively been promised in '02.

    It'll be interesting to see how NTTD and the Craig era as a whole is perceived after its release. We haven't had a film come out under the pretense of an actor saying he was finished with Bond since the 1980s. Heck, it sorta happened three times back then when FYEO and OP were all seen as Moore's "last one", before AVTAK ultimately sealed the deal.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited July 2020 Posts: 2,541
    Ryan wrote: »
    I think it is greatly exaggerating to say we've have to wait as long as we have for any reason other than this virus. At this point it seems counter productive to hold on to frustration. Nobody could have predicted this. Let's not forget that we have a finished film that was quite literally ready to go for its April release date. Yeah we can say "well if it hadn't been for Craig, if it hadn't been for Boyle, curse that Daniel Craig for breaking another bone, Barbara should have moved on, etc..." until we're all blue in the face, but all of this is only coming about because we're still waiting. Had there been no pandemic and we all watched the film in April as intended, I'm sure the preceding delays would have been quickly forgotten.

    On the grand scheme of things, this is just a film. Special to all of us, of course. But we'll get it eventually. It sucks that we haven't been able to watch it yet, but that is hardly anybody's fault.
    Just out of curiosity, did he really said that wrist, slashing comment or it was just tabloid trash?

    He did indeed say it. He and Stephen Colbert have a bit of a laugh about it on that episode of his show when Craig announced he was indeed coming back.

    I agree with you @Ryan and thanks for clarifying, didn't knew what exactly happened back then. If they had a laugh at colbert then i think Craig was indeed joking about it.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    The "slit my wrists" thing was just Craig's crass humor, as he clarified in the very same interview that he wanted to take a break from Bond before considering returning. Keep in mind, this was from an interview that took place immediately after shooting ended on SPECTRE and Craig was very exhausted.

    But that didn't stop the tabloid media from blowing up that quote out of context. In fact, the interview had already been out for a long time, it just took awhile for the tabloids to notice that quote and take it to town.
  • OOWolfOOWolf Savannah
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    I think it would be fair to say that he wouldn't "slit his wrists" because 25 mil is too hard to pass up. I will be very interested to see if that price motivated him to go out with a bang or gave him the assurance to phone it in...
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I'm sure it partly motivated him as much as the money did for Connery and Moore.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    I'm sure it partly motivated him as much as the money did for Connery and Moore.

    From what i have seen in the trailers, it doesn't look like he is simply back for money. If i have to guess i would say we are getting something close to CR with better cinematography.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I didn't say he's only back for the money, but I strongly suspect from interviews that he really wanted to end his run on a better note than SP.

    For what it's worth, I don't think Connery or Moore phoned it in either. By all accounts, they were very professional and dedicated to their work in DAF and AVTAK.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    Agreed.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    antovolk wrote: »
    https://variety.com/2020/film/news/universal-amc-theatres-deal-1234719703/
    While Universal confirmed the deal won’t apply to tentpoles such as “No Time to Die,” where the studio is only handling international distribution (MGM will roll out the film in North America) it’s unknown exactly how many films will fall into the agreement.

    Well, I guess time to start preparing to 2021 for good, at least in the US.

    Yes man... and not only in the US...
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