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  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    Certainly EoN hopes to make money in China but let’s say $80 millions is already a very optimistic number for Bond there.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Well I don't think there's any Chinese content to censor this time, that plays in its favor.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited September 2020 Posts: 15,722
    We are nearing the 7th month since the March announcement that NTTD was delayed. This means we are getting close to being 1 month away from its November release date.

    Everyone here had to wait an extra 7 months to watch NTTD in theaters. But, despite some members arguing at the time that the pandemic would be over long before November, it is still going strong everywhere around the globe. So strong in fact, that some of the members who had to wait these 7 months may not be able to see it in theaters in November. Some members are so impatient, after having to wait 7 months on top of the 4 years & 6 months since SP, they refuse to wait longer so that everyone can see it in theaters.

    Those asking for another delay so they can see the film in theaters are being accused of rooting against NTTD or of being ridiculous. Is it really ridiculous to want to see a $200+ million Bond film that was designed specifically for the big-screen cinematic experience? Is an extra 3/4/5/6 months wait so hard to accept, given SP was released 58 months ago already?
  • ZekidkZekidk
    edited September 2020 Posts: 3,278
    matt_u wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Numbers...
    The vaccine is probably a year away, so postpone NTTD to November 2021 or even later?
    It's not going away anytime soon.

    But all over Europe the death rates are extremely low now, compared to the months after it broke out. Mainly due to well-functioning healthcare systems. Maybe Covid-19 will be the same story as AIDS. You can't eradicate it, but medication can keep you alive or prevent you from dying.

    The widespread panic and fear seen months ago was because a lot of people died. But that's not where we are right now. Even the US is catching up. The death rates have been declining since the beginning of August there.

    Are you really comparing a coronavirus with an immunodeficiency virus?
    XD
    Me? No.... I leave that up to someone who knows better than both you and I ;-)
    "For so many, never before has a disease been so little understood and so greatly feared.

    For others, there is a precedent event: the HIV epidemic.

    In the final segment of an interview with Contagion during International AIDS Society (IAS) AIDS 2020 Virtual Sessions this week, Cathy Creticos, MD, Director of Infectious Disease at Howard Brown Health, discussed the similarities and disparities of the COVID-19 pandemic and the HIV epidemic of the 1980s and early ‘90s."
    https://www.contagionlive.com/news/covid19-vs-hiv-how-the-epidemics-compare

    “You can't eradicate it, but medication can keep you alive or prevent you from dying”. Knock knock: in most of the cases you can totally eradicate it, just like a normal flu.
    Fast fact: There is no cure for HIV, although antiretroviral treatment can control the virus. And there's no vaccine against Covid-19, but things like Remdisivir can reduce the risk of death in severely sick patients.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    Oh come on. Even you’re article made it clear that the differences are huge.
  • ZekidkZekidk
    edited September 2020 Posts: 3,278
    Of course there's a difference. Like there's a difference between TSWLM and YOLT. But a comparison can still be made. Like she says: "We’re really dealing in the same situation as in the HIV epidemic.”

    "in most of the cases you can totally eradicate it", you say? Do you have source to back up that claim, because I find that interesting,
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited September 2020 Posts: 4,343
    If you know some Covid patients who kept on being always positive for the rest of their lives, call me. I’m sick of this silly debate.
  • ZekidkZekidk
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    That comment makes no sense, sorry. I am still interested in your source, however, claiming that you in most cases can "totally eradicate it."
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    Makes sense within a comparison that makes no sense. You’re comparing apple and oranges.
  • ZekidkZekidk
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    "Covid patients who kept on being always positive for the rest of their lives"?

    Please be patient with me, you might have to give me a couple of decades on that one ;-)
  • petergreenhill5petergreenhill5
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    What do Disney know that MGM/Anapurna/Universal don't ?
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    petergreenhill5 wrote: »
    What do Disney know that MGM/Anapurna/Universal don't ?
    I believe the question is the other way around. What do EON/MGM/Universal know that Disney doesn’t? Everyone else but Bond has delayed their films to next year. All that really does is buy them time as the situation could very well be worse by that point. I do wonder if EON et all really believe they have a shot at November or if another delay is even an option given how much money they’ve already lost in marketing.
  • RedNineRedNine Poland
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    jake24 wrote: »
    petergreenhill5 wrote: »
    What do Disney know that MGM/Anapurna/Universal don't ?
    I believe the question is the other way around. What do EON/MGM/Universal know that Disney doesn’t? Everyone else but Bond has delayed their films to next year. All that really does is buy them time as the situation could very well be worse by that point. I do wonder if EON et all really believe they have a shot at November or if another delay is even an option given how much money they’ve already lost in marketing.

    Disney also decided to release Mulan instead of delaying it. The answer with this question I guess is that both Mulan and No Time To Die were about to drop when the lockdown started so they invested much more than other movies and every day that passes basically make them lose value on the money they spent as well as (in the case of Bond) created a chain reaction where a bunch of companies were forced to retract their products and projects so they get impatient as well. I believe someone on this forum talked about how Nokia delayed release of a new phone because of NTTD ? So you have that additional pressure that other films don't have
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Good points.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    Zekidk wrote: »
    "Covid patients who kept on being always positive for the rest of their lives"?

    Please be patient with me, you might have to give me a couple of decades on that one ;-)

    Oh dear, I was sarcastic. HIV is a lifetime disease. Covid is like flu. Apple and oranges.
  • ZekidkZekidk
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    "Covid is like the flu and HIV is lifetime"

    "The coronavirus is leaving some people with permanent lung damage"
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2247086-the-coronavirus-is-leaving-some-people-with-permanent-lung-damage/#ixzz6YyJXyRVM

    "From ‘brain fog’ to heart damage, COVID-19’s lingering problems alarm scientists"
    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/07/brain-fog-heart-damage-covid-19-s-lingering-problems-alarm-scientists

    Apples and oranges? More like oranges and grapefruits.
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
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    jake24 wrote: »
    petergreenhill5 wrote: »
    What do Disney know that MGM/Anapurna/Universal don't ?
    I believe the question is the other way around. What do EON/MGM/Universal know that Disney doesn’t? Everyone else but Bond has delayed their films to next year. All that really does is buy them time as the situation could very well be worse by that point. I do wonder if EON et all really believe they have a shot at November or if another delay is even an option given how much money they’ve already lost in marketing.
    That’s not entirely accurate, many bumped, remained and even went forward within December.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited September 2020 Posts: 10,592
    DoctorNo wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    petergreenhill5 wrote: »
    What do Disney know that MGM/Anapurna/Universal don't ?
    I believe the question is the other way around. What do EON/MGM/Universal know that Disney doesn’t? Everyone else but Bond has delayed their films to next year. All that really does is buy them time as the situation could very well be worse by that point. I do wonder if EON et all really believe they have a shot at November or if another delay is even an option given how much money they’ve already lost in marketing.
    That’s not entirely accurate, many bumped, remained and even went forward within December.
    I was referring mainly to Disney's upcoming slate but you're correct. Although I highly doubt WW84 will keep its current December date.
  • antovolkantovolk
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    petergreenhill5 wrote: »
    What do Disney know that MGM/Anapurna/Universal don't ?

    Disney depend more on the US. That's the reason for all of these moves.
  • BeatlesSansEarmuffsBeatlesSansEarmuffs
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    petergreenhill5 wrote: »
    What do Disney know that MGM/Anapurna/Universal don't ?

    I answered that question yesterday. Maybe it was just in another (very similar) thread and you missed it. Basically, Disney knows that they've got a LOT more income streams than just via new release films... and they don't have the same financial/contractual pressures that MGM has. MGM wishes they could get $$$ for all the Mouse tchotchkes that are in every other store in America. That money all belongs to Disney, and it gives them a freedom that MGM just can't match.

  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited September 2020 Posts: 15,722
    The French government has, for the first time, admitted that a second nationwide lockdown may be inevitable if the situation does not improve. Yesterday, the country recorded over 16,000 cases.

    NTTD needs to come out in October. No ifs or buts. If it releases in November, I won't be able to see it in theaters. Otherwise, I am now joining the NTTD must be delayed camp. The situation is degrading so fast that I can no longer get excited for a film that comes out in 7 weeks. 7 weeks is too far in the future in this current pandemic.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited September 2020 Posts: 4,343
    16.000 is huge I believe that’s the highest number since the beginning of the pandemic in France. Italy now is in the range of 1300/1700 new cases per day. It’s gonna change but is doing pretty well. In Milano since the end of the lockdown basically 75% percent of people wear masks on the street covering nose and mouth even if is not even mandatory.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited September 2020 Posts: 15,722
    @matt_u Our daily case numbers are increasing by 1,000 every 3 to 4 days. And yes, it's our biggest daily count since the pandemic begin. But don't forget: we are doing a lot more testing now than in March/April/May. BUT, that does not explain why the daily cases are getting bigger and bigger in the the last month, while total daily tests have remained the same. Hospitalizations, ICU numbers and daily deaths have started to increase in the past week.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Targeted testing of the right demographics and individuals plus successful contact tracing can increase rates of positive cases. Positive cases on their own do not mean hospitalizations and deaths.

    Reporting in the US happens as the data comes available each day, it's not accurately aligned with a real world date of positive result or hospitalization or death. So a spike or drop on its own needs a long view and comparison to understand a trend and react to it.

    Data is essential to accompany mention of increase or decrease, especially positive cases which of the three is the most vague and least useful on its own.

    That's all.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited September 2020 Posts: 15,722
    As I said, hospitalizations and deaths have started to increase in France.

    And I do hope that 8 months into the pandemic, we still don't have to explain to people that hospitalization numbers lag behind case numbers, and death numbers lag behind hospitalization numbers. And each lag is roughly worth 2/3/4 weeks.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    People are, stupidly, still gathering at weddings and funerals and acting there's no pandemic going on at all...a delay for NTTD is inevitable now.
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
    Posts: 755
    And yet the marketing machine continues... merchandising ads continue to release... actors features...
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    Posts: 15,722
    The UK has recorded its third day above 6,000 new cases. Today's numbers comes just unde 7,000. The UK's reproduction number has risen to between 1.2 to 1.5, meaning that on average every 10 people infected will infect between 12 and 15 other people. The number of new infections is growing by 4% to 8% each day.
  • ZekidkZekidk
    edited September 2020 Posts: 3,278
    DaltonCraig007 wrote: »
    NTTD needs to come out in October.
    I am joining the postpone camp. There's a huge increase the last week here in Europe, and November is regular flu-month. There's nothing to indicate that things will brighten up the coming weeks. Maybe it can be a Christmas present. Or properly timed between the second and third wave. Or even later. 2022 fx.

    For me a new Bond movie is a huge event. Looking back I can always tell what was going on in my life at that certain time. Casino Royale, the year I proposed to my wife, SF the year my mother died, For Your Eyes Only - the year I was first allowed to go to the cinema alone and started at a new school, etc etc. I don't want NTTD just to be a reminder of a worldwide pandemic and lockdowns. I want it to be a reminder of a time when things were looking good (again.)

  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
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    Well this should be interesting - Florida just fully opened all business with no capacity restrictions. This is the 3rd most populous state and already has among the highest rates of Covid...

    https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/09/25/916969969/floridas-governor-lifts-all-covid-19-restrictions-on-businesses-statewide?utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR1ysN2pBeRarIn4J_oxVcQe0xUzyXXmC2DLLaNE6iSTZLZEm6KvEHT5cmM&fbclid=IwAR1TwDfK-CFzpl6au1WQ-y2JHO2GdZ_HD1vTbcOPkaRUB_qnP9PFCoymya0&fbclid=IwAR1TNwUT-JZ68OxUmKd9Y9vjc9ufEbshhEPOQKEXyj5Lh5HKWvXGe3hU_Bo&fbclid=IwAR2j4wQDzpi4MuOGhj-RtaWebOt4dUA4SSa-pJqqIRKXsdbptic2B61EZjI&fbclid=IwAR1JB14L0FDsRgG0hIykvgkODRed8hifNL7TopUEqAsA-VZRhltbh4ki66g
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