Quick Big Mi6 Music Score Ranking Game

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  • R1s1ngs0nR1s1ngs0n France
    edited July 2021 Posts: 2,161
    pachazo wrote: »
    Not to give anything away, but I personally think Barry was at his peak from 67 to 71.

    Totally agree with this statement. You Only Live Twice, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, and Diamonds Are Forever were a powerhouse trilogy for Barry. I do think he brought the old magic back for Moonraker and A View to a Kill, but those three from '67 to '71 were really Barry reaching for the stratosphere.
    For me, his peak as far as Bond scores are concerned is 65-69, with DAF very close behind.
    There's no other Bond score I'd rather listen to on a quiet evening than TB.
    Stylistically and arrangement wise, it's The Ipcress File's twin brother and you can tell by first listen they were composed the same year.
    When I put on one of them, I usually follow up with the other. Just incredible works by Barry.
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    The interesting thing about my top five, with the exception of Casino Royale, and excluding the Bond theme as a "song", they all have multiple songs from which they draw leitmotifs. Tomorrow Never Dies has the title song and "Surrender", with Surrender being FAR more prevalent across the score than "Tomorrow Never Dies" is. OHMSS has its incredible theme but also "We Have All the Time in the World". The Living Daylights has THREE SONGS from which it about equally draws musical cues.

    And my #1 pick, Thunderball, has two unbelievably great songs that both get used, but that's a particularly interesting case as, where the other films are widely known to have the aforementioned extra songs attached to them, not to mention the songs themselves actually appearing in their respective movies, I think general audiences have no idea that "Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang" is a thing that exists, and as a result you get these incredible cues that almost sound like Barry pulled them from the heavens.
  • Thunderball has some excellent material, particularly the muscular brass that plays during the PTS and those lovely underwater cues that accompany Bond and Domino. The stealthier underwater cues do lose my interest a bit though and may in part be responsible for what leads the film to feel like it drags at times and I was never able to see the appeal in the 007 theme.

    We have an interesting top 19 remaining: all 11 Barrys, all 5 Arnolds, Martin, Hamlisch, and Kamen. After Hamlisch and my bottom two Barrys go out, I won’t be overly concerned about how the rest of the list shakes down.

    Here’s what I think numbers 19-12 will be:

    FRWL
    TMWTGG
    TSWLM
    OP
    LTK
    TWINE
    DAD
    QOS

    Not that I think those are the next eight that should go, but I think they will be the next eight to go.
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
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    Speaking of Bond Soundtracks, today (July 6th), marks the 50th anniversary of Louis Armstrong’s passing.
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    I have a strong feeling that the three gentlemen in the above picture will factor into one of the higher ranked soundtracks to come.

    (Hal David also co-wrote “The Look of Love” for CR’67).
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
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    I had Skyfall at 11, just below Spectre. Obviously an odd placement, but I thought Newman's style worked slightly better with the atmosphere of his second film. His music has certainly grown on me though. A year ago they'd have ranked quite differently for me.

    I'd be fine with a third Newman score. I'd even be cool with a second Serra, if he'd cut the cheesy orchestral stuff.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    My 21 - 23 are still out there.

    Same here.
  • I would reckon either TSWLM or TWINE OSTS to go out next!
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Well @ShakenNotStirred, you weren't wrong, because our number 19 is:

    THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH
    Music composed by
    DAVID ARNOLD

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    The first of the Arnold scores to leave the tournament, TWINE received seven bottom 5's, though five of those were 22nd spots. TWINE's lowest finish was a single 25th spot.

    TWINE also collected some top 10 placements: one 5th place, one 7th place and one 10th place. Additionally it ended up 11th,12th and 15th, each on one occasion.

    TWINE's original music received 89 points in total. That's the same amount as SF, but it had one more top 10 rating so it won the toss-up.

    Peculiar sidenote, TWINE is the only entry that ended up at the same place as its chronological release date: 19th.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    It landed 12th for me. I'm a big fan of Arnold's and TWINE's another very solid outing from him - it has some misses but a lot of strengths for me.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I think this and CR are Arnold s weakest contributions.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    TWINE has interesting musical moments, especially the Bilbao and Thames scenes. The "climax" is a big bag of loudness and in between there's good, bad and ugly. Overall, an okay score for me, but truly Arnold's weakest.
  • I ranked TWINE at #7, I really enjoy the Thames Boat Chase Music and the majority of the rest of the score! Not surprised to see it go so soon though, due to popular opinion.
  • Alongside Tomorrow Never Dies, The World Is Not Enough features some of Arnold's all-time greatest action tracks: "Come In 007, Your Time Is Up," "Going Down - The Bunker," "The Pipeline," "Caviar Factory," "Submarine." The stealth and transition music like "Access Denied," "Welcome to Baku," "Body Double," and "Welcome to Kazakhstan" are driven by cool beats and evocative strings. Then you have the excellent casino jazz, the versatile theme for Elektra, the fantastic gun barrel and Bilbao beats and one of the series' best uses of the James Bond theme as Bond leaps out the banker's window. An apparently very underrated score, but I figured TWINE would be the first of Arnold's to exit. I may not agree with @Thunderfinger on this one, but I would agree that as a whole Casino Royale is Arnold's weakest.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Well @ShakenNotStirred, you weren't wrong, because our number 19 is:

    THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH
    Music composed by
    DAVID ARNOLD

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    Alongside Tomorrow Never Dies, The World Is Not Enough features some of Arnold's all-time greatest action tracks: "Come In 007, Your Time Is Up," "Going Down - The Bunker," "The Pipeline," "Caviar Factory," "Submarine." The stealth and transition music like "Access Denied," "Welcome to Baku," "Body Double," and "Welcome to Kazakhstan" are driven by cool beats and evocative strings. Then you have the excellent casino jazz, the versatile theme for Elektra, the fantastic gun barrel and Bilbao beats and one of the series' best uses of the James Bond theme as Bond leaps out the banker's window. An apparently very underrated score, but I figured TWINE would be the first of Arnold's to exit. I may not agree with @Thunderfinger on this one, but I would agree that as a whole Casino Royale is Arnold's weakest.

    I agree with all of this. For me, Arnold's best efforts are TWINE and QOS, TND sits in the middle and his weaker efforts are DAD and CR imo.

    As for TWINE, as you said, there are many great tunes to pick from. I love this score.

    Only drawback here is basically a drawback for most of his Bond scores: some messy and chaotic action cues here or there, noticeable for this particular film in Caviar Factory and Submarine.
  • GoldenGun wrote: »
    Well @ShakenNotStirred, you weren't wrong, because our number 19 is:

    THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH
    Music composed by
    DAVID ARNOLD

    [img][/img]
    Alongside Tomorrow Never Dies, The World Is Not Enough features some of Arnold's all-time greatest action tracks: "Come In 007, Your Time Is Up," "Going Down - The Bunker," "The Pipeline," "Caviar Factory," "Submarine." The stealth and transition music like "Access Denied," "Welcome to Baku," "Body Double," and "Welcome to Kazakhstan" are driven by cool beats and evocative strings. Then you have the excellent casino jazz, the versatile theme for Elektra, the fantastic gun barrel and Bilbao beats and one of the series' best uses of the James Bond theme as Bond leaps out the banker's window. An apparently very underrated score, but I figured TWINE would be the first of Arnold's to exit. I may not agree with @Thunderfinger on this one, but I would agree that as a whole Casino Royale is Arnold's weakest.

    I agree with all of this. For me, Arnold's best efforts are TWINE and QOS, TND sits in the middle and his weaker efforts are DAD and CR imo.

    As for TWINE, as you said, there are many great tunes to pick from. I love this score.

    Only drawback here is basically a drawback for most of his Bond scores: some messy and chaotic action cues here or there, noticeable for this particular film in Caviar Factory and Submarine.

    There's certainly a lot going on in both "Caviar Factory" and "Submarine," and while "chaotic" might be a word I'd use to describe them I find them "chaotic" in a good way. There is a kind of overwhelming and delirious quality to both, but that's what I love about them. "Caviar Factory" has those wonderful ominous brass notes that come in to signal the approach of the choppers, cool techno beats, and plenty of playful musical "winks." "Submarine" is just a surreal 10 minutes of incrementally building suspense and action, reaching a thrilling climax with those great Bondian trumpets. I love every moment of it.
  • edited July 2021 Posts: 508
    I particularly like "Come in 007, your time is up" + the gunbarrel music + "Welcome to Kazakhstan". "Submarine" also has a lot going for it too.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited July 2021 Posts: 8,231
    I am quite surprised this went out ahead of DAD, personally. I love TWINE. The way Arnold moves from the title theme and back again during the action cues is wonderful. Granted, a couple of those action cues miss the mark, with Ice Bandits being a notable example, but overall it's a really good score.

    Come In 007, Your Time Is Up is outstanding.

    Generally, I think the score does a lot of heavy lifting in terms of generating excitement when Apted's direction left a bit to be desired. The submarine sequence is an example of that.
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
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    I ranked it low largely because I just found it unremarkable on last viewing. Maybe it's my TV or something, but the music seemed to be mixed rather low a lot of the time, and I'm of course trying to rank these in context.
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    #25. It's good in some parts but seems very non-descript (generic) in more. GoldenGun mentioned "some messy and chaotic action cues", and chaotic is how I'd describe several. See, for me, music from FYEO and SF have a lot more character! and despite FYEO music being different from Barry's, it's close enough for me to accept as a Bond score. Character in music or musical themes may be the main thing that impresses me, and to a lesser extent, originality.

    One aspect of the discussion could be how well a soundtrack stands on its own for listening, as opposed to how well it supports the visuals on screen, in a supportive manner. The ideal of course is for both of these to be true. So I think the music supports TWINE but I would never listen to it on its own.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Pay more attention to your chef
    edited July 2021 Posts: 7,057
    I've been busy and missing all the fun.

    On Skyfall I will echo the appreciation for New Digs. I like how in the first half of the track, a four-note phrase (first played on bass and violins) hints at the chromatic vamp of the Bond theme, it's very cool. And in the second half, the violins and violas also have a slyness to them that is reminiscent of the Bond theme. Bondian without actually quoting the theme itself.

    I don't about anyone else but I prefer Old Dog, New Tricks to Close Shave. The latter gets a little too cutesy for my taste, despite having an elegant sound. The former is more seductive; I enjoy the chord progression too.

    I really like the final part of Breadcrumbs, how Newman plays with the rhythm of the Bond theme in those short violin notes.

    I also like Kill Them First. It sounds quite fierce between those strings and the sinister brass chords.

    A Batman-like quality to the music has already been point out in the past regarding Jellyfish. The beginning of She's Mine also sounds like the Zimmer motif from the Nolan Batman films.

    But I prefer Spectre to Skyfall. It's not that I feel the music style is substantially different between them; I just think the second time around, Newman happened to land on motifs and melodies that appeal more to me within the same style. But his overall style of scoring and orchestrating is not quite for me, I must say. Generally, when he scores action scenes with those fast-paced string notes, he loses me.

    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Not a favourite of mine either. There are some good tracks, like New Digs, but overall the excessive use of horns are not my cup of tea. Overall too loud and bombastic imo.
    Interesting observation, the one I bolded. I was wondering if you could give some specific examples of moments you don't like. The horns at the middle of The Moors, perhaps?

    Conversely, it sounds like he had a wonderful time teaming with Duran Duran on A View to a Kill. He transformed their theme into some of the most exquisite, most gorgeous pieces of his career (and that's saying something when you look at his career).
    I agree with this, especially the bolded part.

    And my #1 pick, Thunderball, has two unbelievably great songs that both get used, but that's a particularly interesting case as, where the other films are widely known to have the aforementioned extra songs attached to them, not to mention the songs themselves actually appearing in their respective movies, I think general audiences have no idea that "Mr. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang" is a thing that exists, and as a result you get these incredible cues that almost sound like Barry pulled them from the heavens.
    Those themes have a great deal to do with my high appreciation for Thunderball. Incredibly sensuous melodies. Many people often herald OHMSS as the pinnacle of Bond music, even Barry himself said "what I did was to overemphasize everything that I’d done in the first few movies, just go over the top to try and make the soundtrack strong. To do Bondian beyond Bondian.” But I feel Thunderball gets closer to that ideal in some respects.

    There's certainly a lot going on in both "Caviar Factory" and "Submarine," and while "chaotic" might be a word I'd use to describe them I find them "chaotic" in a good way. There is a kind of overwhelming and delirious quality to both, but that's what I love about them. "Caviar Factory" has those wonderful ominous brass notes that come in to signal the approach of the choppers, cool techno beats, and plenty of playful musical "winks." "Submarine" is just a surreal 10 minutes of incrementally building suspense and action, reaching a thrilling climax with those great Bondian trumpets. I love every moment of it.
    Overwhelming and delirious-- right on point with that observation. For me, it's great fun in the case of Caviar Factory. For Submarine, a bit less because I feel the music becomes rambling in places, but for instance, I do enjoy the brassy music that plays when Bond enters the control room of the submarine and holds everyone at gunpoint.

    TND and TWINE are my favorite Arnold scores because as I stated before, I'm a sucker for the classic Bond sound. I love Elektra's Theme; it goes so well with that bed scene. I also like how the three-note phrase that opens the title song reappears throughout the score, especially in Access Denied.

    I am quite surprised this went out ahead of DAD, personally.
    I agree, it's not my bag. (The fact that DAD will rank higher than TWINE, that is.)



    @GoldenGun, I was going to suggest you wrote the ranking number of the score on each reveal post, because unless I missed it, it wasn't there in a few previous entries so I didn't know what number we were on. But I see it's there on the TWINE post. Perhaps at the end the full list could be added to the first post for reference purposes.
  • I find all the depreciation for the DAD score a bit strange. Maybe I'm just looking at it in the way that the score is so much better than the rest of the film but I really like it.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    TWINE is my #22. Maybe too low but I couldn't remember most of this score. I prefer the other of Arnold's contributions.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    edited July 2021 Posts: 7,314
    I had this at 22nd. It's serviceable with some good to great moments woven into the fabric.

    Now, for my controversial opinion : I find Arnold's output to be the weakest (by far) of all the Eon films. However, that doesn't mean I think he's terrible. There are moments to enjoy in all of his scores and even a few tracks that Barry himself would be proud of. But it seems that too often he strays into generic or run of the mill territory that just isn't very memorable or leave a lasting impression.

    Just my opinion of course and I'm glad he has his fans. In the end, I'm thankful for his contributions to the series but I'm not pining for his return.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    pachazo wrote: »
    I had this at 22nd. It's serviceable with some good to great moments woven into the fabric.

    Now, for my controversial opinion : I find Arnold's output to be the weakest (by far) of all the Eon films. However, that doesn't mean I think he's terrible. There are moments to enjoy in all of his scores and even a few tracks that Barry himself would be proud of. But it seems that too often he strays into generic or run of the mill territory that just isn't very memorable or leave a lasting impression.

    Just my opinion of course and I'm glad he has his fans. In the end, I'm thankful for his contributions to the series but I'm not pining for his return.

    I love Arnold for his highlights, but I can see where you're coming from with the "generic or run of the mill territory that just isn't very memorable or leave a lasting impression." I love one or two of his film soundtracks a lot but realized, while ranking these, just how many I had forgotten or couldn't think of because there's nothing really outstanding or memorable about them.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I find all the depreciation for the DAD score a bit strange. Maybe I'm just looking at it in the way that the score is so much better than the rest of the film but I really like it.

    I also quite like it but find it to be easily his weakest effort all the same.
  • I find all the depreciation for the DAD score a bit strange. Maybe I'm just looking at it in the way that the score is so much better than the rest of the film but I really like it.

    I also quite like it but find it to be easily his weakest effort all the same.

    I find it at least better than CR. Interesting, I prefer the bombastic scores to the really stripped down ones. It's a blast from start to finish.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I find all the depreciation for the DAD score a bit strange. Maybe I'm just looking at it in the way that the score is so much better than the rest of the film but I really like it.

    I also quite like it but find it to be easily his weakest effort all the same.

    I find it at least better than CR. Interesting, I prefer the bombastic scores to the really stripped down ones. It's a blast from start to finish.

    It's just the electronics that bring it down for me. The film mixes have a lot of that stuff toned down or removed completely (the car chase inside the ice palace is an example) and it sounds much, much better to my ears.
  • I find all the depreciation for the DAD score a bit strange. Maybe I'm just looking at it in the way that the score is so much better than the rest of the film but I really like it.

    I also quite like it but find it to be easily his weakest effort all the same.

    I find it at least better than CR. Interesting, I prefer the bombastic scores to the really stripped down ones. It's a blast from start to finish.

    It's just the electronics that bring it down for me. The film mixes have a lot of that stuff toned down or removed completely (the car chase inside the ice palace is an example) and it sounds much, much better to my ears.

    That's true. Similar to the TND score, the action noises and explosions sometimes blot out the score which can be annoying.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    I had TWINE at 17, still got 3 scores below it that remain in the proceedings. DAD, TB and QOS.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    I have it at 18, with TB at 19.
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