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I remember my dad commented “what’s with the score?” when Bond started looking for Vesper in Venice, and it was scored as if Bond was already in a gun fight. This all just the stalking scene way before a gun is even fired.
But to give Arnold props, QOS was a major step up. The difference was that Forster had Arnold base music off of the script (when it was completed at least) so without factually watching footage, Arnold made music based off the ideas from the page. It’s only during the actual scoring sessions that he had the music conformed to match the scenes. But it really paid off IMO.
I instantly thought the same! :))
I remember the first time I saw the film I found the score to be a bit much and a little off-putting and over the top. QoS was a huge step up musically.
EON needs to be done with them in my opinion. They've been working since the Brosnan era, Idk how they think they're gonna bring any fresh elements to this franchise at this point. I'm glad PWB is on their radar now though, it would be cool to bring her back for the next one.
I think you’ve missed my point: I wasn’t debating the composers’ merits but the fans reactions to them.
I'm confused. What are the fans reaction to Barry's Bond scores aside from massive accolades? After Barry's death, Arnold was pretty respectful to the franchise, but an obvious disciple. Newman on the other hand was a near total misfire, as the cues were not like omniscient characters. Barry's always were.
Arnold creating pastiche Barry music doesn’t make him a “disciple”, it makes him a hack.
Thank goodness Zimmer approached NTTD with his own signature sound, with a few nods to Barry. It’s what I liked about Conti, Karen, Serra and Newman playing in the Bond sandbox but doing it in their own style.
Yes, that's what we're talking about. But we weren't actually talking about which ones were our own favourites. Never mind.
I found Conti, Kamen, George Martin and Serra's scores to fit in perfectly. I never questioned the soundtrack's place for a second. Newman had some cool cues in 'SF,' but ultimately ended with the same molto alegro strings, typical in nearly every film. To me, the key is humor, heart, and jazz chords for a strong Bond soundtrack!
Who's to say they aren't?
NTTD was meant to conclude the story arcs of the Craig era. But this is just 1 film. And the Craig era is just one interpretation of Bond.
The next film will be a reboot. It would make more sense for MGM to do a total change in direction with a new actor than at the tail-end of Craig's tenure all of a sudden.
Let the Craig fans enjoy their last hurrah. Then, all the other Bond fans can have the keys to the car back and hopefully the series drives into the direction they want.
The key is hopefully...
Um, okay. He went against Hinx, who was yet another underused and underdeveloped character from the Craig run. His presence was essentially unnoticed as he was in SPECTRE for a whopping 5 minutes. I'm starting to think that they have budgeting issues. God forbid that a secondary character has some more screen time.
Witness QOS:
- Claims Craig can't drive: film opens with an intense car chase.
- Claims Craig is too short: Felix offers Bond a pill that will make him taller.
SF:- Claims QOS was a failure and BOND 23 will fail: they name it Skyfall, sounding like a Chicken Little tale.
- Claims Mr White will never return based on QOS failure and public negative statements: he doesn't for SF but does return for SP. And the character figures significantly in NTTD.
SP:There are Connery fans, Moore fans, Craig fans, etc.
Fans that like dark gritty violent entries. Fans that like the camp and gags.
Fans that want it to stay true to Fleming. Fans that like the over-the-top fiction.
Fans that want films to excel at the formula and check boxes; fans that find the formula tired and want to subvert it.
The people on this forum aren't the only fans of the franchise. There are millions of peoples opinions, and ultimately, you can't please everybody.
*shifts eyes towards THE RISE OF SKYWALKER*
Actually, it accomplished one other thing. The prequel films don't seem so bad either anymore.
^ This. Unfortunately, I get the feeling that to some folks, "listen to the fans" actually means "pay attention to ME."
I just hope people aren’t getting their hopes up too high for what they specifically want in the next film/actor. There’s one member convinced it’ll be Aidan Turner next for example, but what if it isn’t? Best to be as open minded as you can I think, or you’re just setting yourself up for disappointment.
Correct. Some fans would do well to grow a humbler attitude towards the professionals. It is with arrogance, scorn and almost tangible disdain that some have handed out notes and suggestions to the producers, on this very forum, no less, which I doubt the likes of BB, MGW or DC are likely to ever visit. A few of those ideas might stick but many of them are laughable, to be honest. Also, petition as much as you like for the fans to have something to say about the upcoming film, Bond films are made for as wide an audience as possible, not for us, overanalytical fans, alone.
I'm sure you could have found plenty of fans who said they never wanted to see any of those things between QoS and SF too.
That said, say what you want about them, but I'm sure MGW and BB aren't blind to the fans/general audiences, and there's definitely a sense that they have their finger on the pulse. Why else would we have gotten CR after DAD? Or SF after QOS? Heck, even NTTD after SP. Again, specific ideas won't be listened to, but I'm sure there are broad ideas that many audiences agree on.
I mean, a very general idea I get is that audiences want to have more 'fun' with the next Bond film. That doesn't mean a return to DAD territory, nor does it mean sacrificing well developed characters or dramatic moments or originality etc. It doesn't even have anything to do with the scale of the film (on the contrary, NTTD was the most expensive film of the series). It just means after the deeply personal themes of NTTD and the Craig era people want something perhaps a bit more in the vein of the 'classic Bond movies'... I mean, fair enough really.