NO TIME TO DIE - Questions Thread

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  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    edited October 2021 Posts: 1,165
    Blofeld has a hazy white eye on his injured side at the end of SP. All they did was retcon it into a bionic one. Essentially, he had it the entire time he was arrested, which is how he orchestrated the attack on Bond in Matera so soon after his capture.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    There are only two bionic eyes. Primo has one, that he keeps throughout the movie until Bond blows it up. It is taken out twice in the movie, once in the PTS when Bond punches it out and then in Cuba where it’s being carried around so Blofeld can greet party guests while Primo is dealing with Waldo. The other eye, which Q hacks into, is Blofeld’s eye. It is removed when they scan Blofeld since they find out he’s somehow communicating with Spectre. The two eyes are linked.

    Is it Primo's on the cushion? Do we see him without it?
    It's why he's wearing the sunglasses, and when the bald man holding the pillow dies due to the nanobots, it falls off the pillow and rolls around, before Primo picks it up and puts it back in during the chaos.

    Okay thanks, I'll need to watch it again!

    That does make the eyeball at MI6 even more confusing then. Is it actually explained they got it from Blofeld? I totally missed it.
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 532
    mtm wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    There are only two bionic eyes. Primo has one, that he keeps throughout the movie until Bond blows it up. It is taken out twice in the movie, once in the PTS when Bond punches it out and then in Cuba where it’s being carried around so Blofeld can greet party guests while Primo is dealing with Waldo. The other eye, which Q hacks into, is Blofeld’s eye. It is removed when they scan Blofeld since they find out he’s somehow communicating with Spectre. The two eyes are linked.

    Is it Primo's on the cushion? Do we see him without it?
    It's why he's wearing the sunglasses, and when the bald man holding the pillow dies due to the nanobots, it falls off the pillow and rolls around, before Primo picks it up and puts it back in during the chaos.

    Okay thanks, I'll need to watch it again!

    That does make the eyeball at MI6 even more confusing then. Is it actually explained they got it from Blofeld? I totally missed it.

    Yeah they explain it’s Blofeld’s, and that’s why he’s missing the eye when Bond meets with him.
    Minion wrote: »
    Blofeld has a hazy white eye on his injured side at the end of SP. All they did was retcon it into a bionic one. Essentially, he had it the entire time he was arrested, which is how he orchestrated the attack on Bond in Matera so soon after his capture.

    The hazy white eye could have been the bionic eye disguised as a damaged eye, or, given Spectre’s influence, they could have had a surgeon remove that eye —since he needed medical attention at the end of Spectre — and replace it with a bionic eye.
  • FeyadorFeyador Montreal, Canada
    edited October 2021 Posts: 735
    Minion wrote: »
    Blofeld has a hazy white eye on his injured side at the end of SP. All they did was retcon it into a bionic one. Essentially, he had it the entire time he was arrested, which is how he orchestrated the attack on Bond in Matera so soon after his capture.

    Ok, that makes sense, I guess. The magic of retcon!

    In the interrogation scene with Bond he definitely has no right eye at all, so the bionic one must have been removed at the time M sent Nomi to search both Blofeld & his cell.

    "Sir! I'll bring my gloves ...!", she says.

    Which I personally found hilarious. Though no one around me laughed, sadly ....
  • Posts: 5,990
    CraterGuns wrote: »
    Re: Safin's facial disfigurement (if it hasn't already been covered)...

    Have only seen the film once (so far), but I'd swear it was mentioned that Safin's family was murdered by Mr. White using dioxin.

    Isn't Dioxin the poison that was used -- likely by Putin's henchmen -- in an assassination attempt on Ukrainian politician Viktor Yushchenko some years ago?

    Yushchenko survived, but the dioxin caused severe facial disfigurement... For a number of years afterwards he looked like the freaking Phantom of the Opera. (The condition later mostly subsided, but it took over 10 years.)

    Note that Safin's facial scars (what we can see of them) look worse in the opening Norway scene than they do later in the film, when much time has passed.

    It's also the poison that was released during the Seveso disaster in 1976. Nasty stuff :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seveso_disaster

  • edited October 2021 Posts: 4,408
    So did Blofeld have a magical eye when he was in his cell and babbling to himself? Much the same as the eye as Primo had? Jeeeeez....There was some serious wonky storytelling during those London portions of the film. you can see they were up against it with the script. Still it's more intelligible than Tenet.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    I also just love that either the eye has an actual graphical user interface or Q has one ready to go for when he hacks into weird bionic body parts Made by SPECTRE. And the voice saying something like "Access to bionic eye granted" or something got a good chuckle out of me.
    As always, Q's computer tech is a bit iffy (the "missing part of the drive" was slightly egregious) but I thought it worked better here than the infamous Skyfall sequences...
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited October 2021 Posts: 12,480
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    So what was it all about with Madeleine being the daughter of SPECTRE and her sacrifice being their reward?

    The daughter of Spectre line is just Blofeld getting inside Bond’s head making it seem like her allegiance lies with Spectre and that she betrayed Bond. I don’t remember the sacrifice line, but I’m assuming Blofeld was saying she was willing to sacrifice her life to kill Bond, hence Primo trying to blast through her window of the DB5. Bond already had one love betray him and then die before he could reconcile that, and Blofeld was trying to do a repeat of that.

    Excellent, thanks for that. Seems another instance where something said can’t be taken at face value and is merely meant to get inside Bond’s head. I wasn’t sure if it was something like that or a plot idea that was dropped or never fleshed out properly.

    @Creasy47 I definitely took that as Blofeld messing with Bond's head and setting up Madeleine on purpose, to get to Bond.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    So did Blofeld have a magical eye when he was in his cell and babbling to himself? Much the same as the eye as Primo had? Jeeeeez....There was some serious wonky storytelling during those London portions of the film. you can see they were up against it with the script. Still it's more intelligible than Tenet.

    You think it was a bad idea, or just badly explained in the film?

    I understood it, at least. And I love the idea: two one-eyed people using their false eyes to communicate.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    Minion wrote: »
    Blofeld has a hazy white eye on his injured side at the end of SP. All they did was retcon it into a bionic one. Essentially, he had it the entire time he was arrested, which is how he orchestrated the attack on Bond in Matera so soon after his capture.

    Or Blofeld has been treated right after his capture and some undercover SPECTRE doc provided him the bionic eye right under Her Majesty's government's nose. So no need to retcon. His eye was in pretty bad conditions at the end of SP so that would make sense.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
    edited October 2021 Posts: 1,351
    Deleted. Double Post.
  • The thing about the eyes I still don't understand is how there is footage of Primo's meeting with Ash, which clearly shows Primo with two eyes. Is he filming with a phone and uploading to Blofeld's eye? In which case, why?
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
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    TheBondFan wrote: »
    The thing about the eyes I still don't understand is how there is footage of Primo's meeting with Ash, which clearly shows Primo with two eyes. Is he filming with a phone and uploading to Blofeld's eye? In which case, why?

    He was looking in a mirror. Blofeld's eye caught his reflection.
  • Minion wrote: »
    TheBondFan wrote: »
    The thing about the eyes I still don't understand is how there is footage of Primo's meeting with Ash, which clearly shows Primo with two eyes. Is he filming with a phone and uploading to Blofeld's eye? In which case, why?

    He was looking in a mirror. Blofeld's eye caught his reflection.

    Yeah I just realized that's probably what it was. Thanks!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    TheBondFan wrote: »
    The thing about the eyes I still don't understand is how there is footage of Primo's meeting with Ash, which clearly shows Primo with two eyes. Is he filming with a phone and uploading to Blofeld's eye? In which case, why?

    And why is it on Blofeld's eye anyway? Do they share? Ugh! :D
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
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    Appreciate all the clarification regarding the bionic eyes. Reminds me of how the faberge eggs were handled in Octopussy.

    However one thing I still don't understand in the film is Primo's allegiance to Blofeld (i.e. Spectre) vs Safin. At the start in Matera Primo is working for Blofeld, which makes perfect sense since Safin hasn't reemerged yet, but the next time we see him 5 years later he is taking orders from Safin through his earpiece. Is Primo playing both sides? Is he a double agent? Does he know Safin isn't Spectre? Is Safin Spectre? And since Primo has his bionic eye with him, isn't Blofeld watching him communicate with Safin?

    I get that Primo is trying to kill Bond during the Cuban scene and I'm assuming it's on Blofeld's orders but I honestly don't know. The reason I'm unsure is because Bond is actually being led into the trap by Logan and Obruchev who are both on Safin's side. Also, why isn't Obruchev worried that he's surrounded by Spectre agents if he was expecting Safin's men? Is Obruchev a double agent? Or trying to play both sides in order to survive? Once Primo realizes the DNA was switched why doesn't he kill Obruchev for double crossing him and his organisation? Side note: why doesn't Primo die from the poison if he's Spectre?

    After the party why does Primo ignore Blofeld? The only reason for taking his eye back would be to stay in touch with him, but it seems he gets recruited by Logan at this point perhaps? In which case why keep the bionic eye allowing Blofeld to watch along? Or is he recruiting Logan?

    Probably missed some questions but I think that's enough for now. :)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Appreciate all the clarification regarding the bionic eyes. Reminds me of how the faberge eggs were handled in Octopussy.

    Heh!
    However one thing I still don't understand in the film is Primo's allegiance to Blofeld (i.e. Spectre) vs Safin. At the start in Matera Primo is working for Blofeld, which makes perfect sense since Safin hasn't reemerged yet, but the next time we see him 5 years later he is taking orders from Safin through his earpiece. Is Primo playing both sides? Is he a double agent? Does he know Safin isn't Spectre? Is Safin Spectre? And since Primo has his bionic eye with him, isn't Blofeld watching him communicate with Safin?

    Yeah, I think it's fine (if unnecessary) that he switches sides, but to have him be the guy who watches over Valdo as he sets up the toxin and for Valdo to pull a fast one on him, only for them to be working together the next time we see them with no explanation is poor storytelling. I know someone will say we shouldn't need everything spoonfed, but half of the real talent of filmmaking is not giving the audience needlessly confusing information, and showing Valdo tricking Primo is exactly that.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    Safin deliberately spares his life in order to hire him.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    matt_u wrote: »
    Safin deliberately spares his life in order to hire him.

    Is that stated in the film?
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited October 2021 Posts: 5,970
    Appreciate all the clarification regarding the bionic eyes. Reminds me of how the faberge eggs were handled in Octopussy.

    However one thing I still don't understand in the film is Primo's allegiance to Blofeld (i.e. Spectre) vs Safin. At the start in Matera Primo is working for Blofeld, which makes perfect sense since Safin hasn't reemerged yet, but the next time we see him 5 years later he is taking orders from Safin through his earpiece. Is Primo playing both sides? Is he a double agent? Does he know Safin isn't Spectre? Is Safin Spectre? And since Primo has his bionic eye with him, isn't Blofeld watching him communicate with Safin?

    I get that Primo is trying to kill Bond during the Cuban scene and I'm assuming it's on Blofeld's orders but I honestly don't know. The reason I'm unsure is because Bond is actually being led into the trap by Logan and Obruchev who are both on Safin's side. Also, why isn't Obruchev worried that he's surrounded by Spectre agents if he was expecting Safin's men? Is Obruchev a double agent? Or trying to play both sides in order to survive? Once Primo realizes the DNA was switched why doesn't he kill Obruchev for double-crossing him and his organisation? Side note: why doesn't Primo die from the poison if he's Spectre?

    After the party why does Primo ignore Blofeld? The only reason for taking his eye back would be to stay in touch with him, but it seems he gets recruited by Logan at this point perhaps? In which case why keep the bionic eye allowing Blofeld to watch along? Or is he recruiting Logan?
    Apologies if this verges on repetition, but to try and explain it for you. So, Primo is indeed working for Blofeld in Matera, as you say, but five years later, he's still working for Blofeld. He's kidnapping Valdo for Blofeld. Then, he's part of Blofeld's plan to kill James Bond in Cuba, which is why he's following him in the club in Jamaica.

    Valdo is working for Safin because he himself states he has a larger vision for the nanobots. Anyway, Primo is there to make Valdo set up the nanobots to kill Bond, but obviously, Valdo pulls that trick to switch them under Safin's order.

    The virus/nanobots only kill the high-ranking SPECTRE members (basically anyone whose wearing a ring), whereas Primo and other henchmen survive because they're just henchmen, which is why Bond and Paloma have people to fight after the deaths of the high-ranking members. Primo then probably just escaped during the chaos once he gets his eye back.

    Anyway, after this, Primo is still working for Blofeld, but then once Blofeld has been killed himself by the nanobots, that's when Ash approaches Primo to come work for Safin, probably knowing Primo would have his own vendetta against Bond at this point.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    mtm wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    Safin deliberately spares his life in order to hire him.

    Is that stated in the film?

    Not directly but during their first meeting Ash said to Primo "Sorry for your loss... we have opportunities for you". Primo was 100% loyal to Blofeld til the SPECTRE party. The film makes it perfectly clear.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    matt_u wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    Safin deliberately spares his life in order to hire him.

    Is that stated in the film?

    Not directly but during their first meeting Ash said to Primo "Sorry for your loss... we have opportunities for you". Primo was 100% loyal to Blofeld til the SPECTRE party. The film makes it perfectly clear.

    So it may not be deliberate that Primo survives, all we know is that he does.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited October 2021 Posts: 4,343
    He does because Safin didn't wanted him dead, even tho Primo was a prominent SPECTRE agent in charge of Blofeld's grand revenge plan against Bond. And the next day he offers him a job.

    It's not directly stated but seems pretty obvious.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    It's a bit of a leap: other Spectre guys survive too (who else are Bond and Paloma fighting?).
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited October 2021 Posts: 5,970
    mtm wrote: »
    It's a bit of a leap: other Spectre guys survive too (who else are Bond and Paloma fighting?).
    As I said above, my take is that the nanobots are only targeted at high-ranking members (anyone wearing a ring). Primo and the other henchmen are just that - henchmen, so aren't affected.

    Safin just got Primo involved once Blofeld was dead because he probably knew he could use him to his advantage. I don't think it was planned for Primo to be recruited. If Primo's DNA was in the list of major SPECTRE agents, he would've died too, but he was just a henchman.
  • Okay in regards to the bionic eye I think I have it but I have one question. When Q taps into Blofeld’s bionic eye isn’t it from the point of view of Primo so wouldn’t that be Primo’s eye or am I just remembering wrong and it did indeed show Primo? If it’s from Primo’s eye POV then wouldn’t that be Primo’s eye that Q is hacking into and if so then Primo has more then one eye?
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited October 2021 Posts: 5,970
    JazzyBond wrote: »
    Okay in regards to the bionic eye I think I have it but I have one question. When Q taps into Blofeld’s bionic eye isn’t it from the point of view of Primo so wouldn’t that be Primo’s eye or am I just remembering wrong and it did indeed show Primo? If it’s from Primo’s eye POV then wouldn’t that be Primo’s eye that Q is hacking into and if so then Primo has more then one eye?
    Blofeld's eye is receiving, recording and saving footage live from Primo's eye, so Blofeld's eye just has access to everything Primo's eye is seeing. Primo just has the one eye and always has it throughout the film.
  • Also regarding Cuba did I miss how easy it was for Bond and Paloma to infiltrate the Spectre party? The Meeting in Spectre the movie was needing passwords etc this one seemed any bloke could just walk in off the street. Did Paloma have a contact or something?
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    JazzyBond wrote: »
    Also regarding Cuba did I miss how easy it was for Bond and Paloma to infiltrate the Spectre party? The Meeting in Spectre the movie was needing passwords etc this one seemed any bloke could just walk in off the street. Did Paloma have a contact or something?
    Everyone's probably bored of me asking these questions, but I think it's deliberate that it's easy to access. Remember the party is a trap for Bond.
  • RyanRyan Canada
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Seriously, Bond's yacht in Jamaica the same as the one in Venice from Casino? The name Spirit is behind Vesper when she sees Gettler, not sure if that's name of it

    It's probably intended to be. In fact, given the obvious wear and tear on the grey t-shirt he's wearing on the yacht, it may even be the same now-ancient t-shirt he wore when he and Vesper sailed into Venice!

    Spirit is the maker of the yachts. The model in CR is a Spirit 54, in NTTD it's a Spirit 46. So, if it is supposed to be the same boat, the filmmakers and their product partners made a bit of a gaffe there. I don't think it is supposed to be the same.
    Did we ever see a name for the boat in NTTD? Could have been a fun Easter egg/trivia answer.

    According to the Making Of book that released today, it is called the Happenstance.
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