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@bondjames - it shows that the crossover between superhero and MI team member can work
McQ loves to play with the audience's expectations with sharp changes of pace. Pegg's death would provide him with some good options and also possible new character motivations (anger, grief, revenge) rather than "save the planet from nukes" which he cant use again, surely?
Hamm is an interesting call. He has a 60s vibe/look about him but possible too old, they need some young blood.
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@patb, I understand but I just don't like too much emotion in these spy based series. It changes the tone and makes it more difficult for me to revisit them. Fallout was just right on that front, but that's as far as I'll go with any emotion or 'grieving'. I like the light hearted nature of these films.
I'd also can the entire "going rogue because the bosses don't trust us" angle completely. So far, they treated every assignment like a rogue operation apart from the Chimera case.
M:I2 is the only non-rogue installment I can think of - even with the Chimera case, Ethan is framed and his superiors are trying to stop him.
It wouldn't be out of character for the franchise - Peter Graves looked older than Steven Hill.
Even if Renner comes back, I can't see him replacing Cruise. I think Paramount would (rightly) be concerned about how he'd draw as the leading man after The Bourne Legacy. Hamm, I could see.
Ahhh, pfft, brain fart - I read "Chimera" and thought of the bio weapon from M:I3, and thus, thought you were discussing that. Totally forgot about the Chimera virus. My original thought still stands, that M:I2 is the only one that the team hasn't gone rogue to complete their mission (Ambrose does, but that's not part of the "team").
2. MI:3 (one of the best action movies of the past 15 years)
3. MI:4 (great ensemble, but weak plot and villain)
4. MI:6 (perfect epic scale, OHMSS of MI)
5. MI:5 (very solid entry, unmemorable finale)
6. MI:2 (DAD of MI movies, weak Gillian, boring, unmemorable plotline.
A criticism of MI, both the TV version and movies, is that you don't get to know the characters beyond their skills and MI3 was a chance to add more of that personal thing, which wasn't a big thing in movies at the time. I think it works fine for the one film and the action is memorable and fun, and Hoffman is probably the most memorable main villain in the series.
If anything, the whole traitor in the organization premise is what feels stale with 3.
Count me in; I'm a big fan of MI:3. What some call melodrama I see as an evolving of Ethan Hunt; by giving him a life away from the spy game it makes him a three dimensional character which separates him from others in the cinema spy pack.
This said, they were very wise not to build on and deeply explore the personal aspect of Hunt in future films.
For me, the franchise found its sweet spot with 3 , one that is still going strong.
Agreed. Very few, if any, of the subtle character work weaved into the stories of GHOST PROTOCOL, ROGUE NATION and FALLOUT would work as well without the heavy lifting done in the third film. I don't see it as melodramatic in the slightest, but even if someone does, it's at most a necessary evil that allowed the subsequent films to have a bit of depth without sacrificing any of their focus on thrills.
I have to admit that I remember being particularly relieved in the theatre in 2011 to see Julia only at the end (and similarly in 2018). Mention of her during the respective films made me a bit uncomfortable initially as I fearfully anticipated more tearful theatrics, but thankfully it never came.
Looking back on it I have to agree with you that MI:3 did the heavy lifting. It's still the film I'm least interested in personally, but in retrospect I'm glad they dumped most of the domesticity into that one.
Spot on! Well said.
I'd be more likely to label M:I-2 as melodramatic, personally. The main reasoning for me is that I don't buy Ethan's relationship with Nyah as much as I do his relationship with Julia, so the more emotional/romantic aspects of that film ring hollow to me, and the Woo-isms compound that for me.
But yes, I'm glad for M:I-3. The subsequent films wouldn't have been as interesting without knowing that side of Ethan's life. It's not something many action franchises can pull off very well, but it works here I think.
McQuarrie also rounded off Julia's character pretty well in FALLOUT. Her arc makes sense and even though it's not a lovey dovey ending, I liked the sense of acceptance and growth that it gave to their relationship and it retroactively made M:I-3 even better for me in that sense.
My concerns with the relationship thing in MI:3 isn't so much with Monaghan but more with Cruise. I feel he overplays it, and to a degree reminds me of Brosnan in TWINE (I hope people forgive me for bringing up Brosnan negatively to make a point). To me at least, he comes across weak. If I want to see an agent emote (or even cry), I'd rather see Craig do it. Cruise is better being dapper and nonchalant, a groove he found perfectly in RN and GP imho. I feel conversely about Craig, who doesn't do that so well for me.
I agree on the arc being completed nicely as well. They handled it as best they could and it worked.
The car chase near the beginning really reminded me of the sequence with Xenia at the beginning of GE. and Ambrose being a competitive turncoat spouting lines like "I was always better" is a straight rip-off of Trevelyan.
Almost every mi film has try to copy bond that's why it hardly interest me but the only one that had rewatchabality was RN. Other than that I find most of the characters including Ethan dialogues or delivery cringe Worthy or laughable.
Interesting, we must have watched entirely different films . ;)
Bonds have done variations of earlier films over and over again for years and have borrowed from other films themselves, so I wouldn't exactly extend exclusivity. Some would call it inspired by.