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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I like my heroes in control
    Then you must have hated when Indy was in a trance in Temple Of Doom, I assume-?
    I didn't hate it (that's too strong a word), but I can't say I liked it either. It wasn't really a big deal because if I remember correctly (I've only seen the film twice) in that situation he was under some kind of Kali voodoo control. That's different from MI:3 or SP, where the protagonists had full awareness but were still helpless. I'm not a fan of the melodrama in both cases as well and would prefer if this sort of stuff is kept out of the spy genre.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    If it was Bond instead of Ethan in that MI3 scene, acting in the same way, I wouldn't be happy about it. But Ethan I can accept reacting that way since by the previous film, he was established as a more emotional type of character. He is generally presented as a spy but not as edgy as Bond, and I think the films themselves are naturally less edgy than Bond. The hero isn't shown drinking; he cares about women (not that Bond doesn't, but Ethan shows it more openly and more often); and he certainly wouldn't invite any "sexist, misogynist dinosaur" types of comments. He is more of a guy-next-door type than Bond. So I personally buy his reaction in that MI3 scene.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I certainly agree that his reaction was in line with what was happening to him. His wife was being tortured in front of him after all. It's just that it's all a bit mushy and overemotional for my tastes, as was the Bond behaviour over the White video and during the torture. I just would prefer if these sort of scenes not be in this genre because it makes it more difficult for me to accept these individuals as cool, smooth operatives afterwards. Credibility becomes shot for me at least.

    As I said, I much preferred the scene in MI:RN when he meets Faust, which was full of 'cool', as was the CR ball beater scene, despite the obvious discomfort Bond was in at the time.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    From the official FB page:

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  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    So are we fairly certain from recent comments and with the above picture that Cavill is our villain?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    From the official FB page:

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    Amazing! I will come here to read your comments on the trailer tomorrow.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Benny wrote: »
    So are we fairly certain from recent comments and with the above picture that Cavill is our villain?
    Seems like it.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I have a strange feeling this may be a sort of breakout role for Cavill from what I can see. His stock may rise after this one, finally.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Yeah, I've got good feeling about this movie.

    MI reminds me of how the FF franchise exploded in popularity around the fourth entry, then became a juggernaut. Not that MI was ever modest, but it really has hit it's stride with recent entries.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    From that picture I expect Cavill to push a torpedo with only 1 hand like Dwayne Johnson managed in Fate of the Furious.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited February 2018 Posts: 15,423
    I just finished watching Rogue Nation, having completed my Mission: Impossible marathon, I have only one question to ask, which was left ambiguous to me so I couldn't make anything of it.

    Director Hunley, the infamous CIA director who was anti-IMF evidenced by the pace of the film, was he really against them and lied to the judges about what would appear to be the operation to dissolve IMF in order to have Hunt infiltrate the Syndicate on doubts that the latter terrorist organization have been planted in worldwide governments including the US?

    Did he have a change of heart upon seeing Hunt proving to him that he was right all along or was it really his plan? Was he the Secretary from the beginning or did he become one while reinstating the IMF?

    It's Brandt's "Welcome to the IMF, Mr. Secretary" statement that leaves me in confusion, rather than saying "Welcome back". Did Hunt and his team manipulate Hunley to see things their way?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I just finished watching Rogue Nation, having completed my Mission: Impossible marathon, I have only one question to ask, which was left ambiguous to me so I couldn't make anything of it.

    Director Hunley, the infamous CIA director who was anti-IMF evidenced by the pace of the film, was he really against them and lied to the judges about what would appear to be the operation to dissolve IMF in order to have Hunt infiltrate the Syndicate on doubts that the latter terrorist organization have been planted in worldwide governments including the US?

    Did he have a change of heart upon seeing Hunt proving to him that he was right all along or was it really his plan? Was he the Secretary from the beginning or did he become one while reinstating the IMF?

    It's Brandt's "Welcome to the IMF, Mr. Secretary" statement that leaves me in confusion, rather than saying "Welcome back". Did Hunt and his team manipulate Hunley to see things their way?
    I will have a better read on it after I revisit the film tomorrow (tonight it's GP's turn) but I believe it's the latter. So he was initially anti IMF and then was later convinced by what he saw of the team's work that the IMF was indeed worth preserving. So he changed his mind.

    If I remember correctly, there was no IMF head during the duration of MI:5 RN because it followed on from GP, & the previous director had been killed. Hence another spin on the title rogue nation.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Very good point, @bondjames.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    I always felt Hunley was legitimately trying to disband IMF and just did a 180 recognising there value... Its been a few years since I watched the film.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    I watched it last night. It's definitely the latter.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    You know, looking at Henry Cavill, I'm thinking we need more leading men with moustaches. They seem to have gone out of fashion, while beards and stubble thrive.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    #BringBackMoustaches
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    That's an interesting idea actually. Come to think of it I can't recall one leading man who sports one apart for Tom Selleck. In the past I can think of Burt Reynolds and before him Clark Gable.

    Perhaps Henry may usher in a new fashion. He wears it very well imho.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Recently, I spotted Pedro Pascal around sporting a mustache.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2018 Posts: 23,883
    Recently, I spotted Pedro Pascal around sporting a mustache.
    That's right! He wears it very well too as a matter of fact. I'm beginning to be sold on this whole 'stache' thing.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Recently, I spotted Pedro Pascal around sporting a mustache.
    That's right! He wears it very well too as a matter of fact. I'm beginning to be sold on this whole 'stache' thing.
    I think the fact that he resembles Burt Reynolds also compliments him with that mustache.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Pedro Pascal rocks the hell out of that 'stache. Wonder if he'll sport one in The Equalizer 2.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    bondjames wrote: »
    That's an interesting idea actually. Come to think of it I can't recall one leading man who sports one apart for Tom Selleck. In the past I can think of Burt Reynolds and before him Clark Gable.

    Perhaps Henry may usher in a new fashion. He wears it very well imho.
    Errol Flynn, as well.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2018 Posts: 23,883
    mattjoes wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    That's an interesting idea actually. Come to think of it I can't recall one leading man who sports one apart for Tom Selleck. In the past I can think of Burt Reynolds and before him Clark Gable.

    Perhaps Henry may usher in a new fashion. He wears it very well imho.
    Errol Flynn, as well.
    Yes, he's another one. David Niven too.
    bondjames wrote: »
    Recently, I spotted Pedro Pascal around sporting a mustache.
    That's right! He wears it very well too as a matter of fact. I'm beginning to be sold on this whole 'stache' thing.
    I think the fact that he resembles Burt Reynolds also compliments him with that mustache.
    That's true. He does resemble Burt.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Don't forget Clark Gable.

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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Yes, I mentioned him above. One of the coolest dudes imho. "The King".
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Yes, I mentioned him above. One of the coolest dudes imho. "The King".
    Ah yes. Sorry. Didn't see that due to fast reading. :D
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2018 Posts: 23,883
    MI: GP

    Loved it as always. Such a step up from the last two in my opinion. It's the combination (and incorporation) of a little style along with the normal action and heroics that elevates this film. From the fabulous opening sequence in Budapest (which features none other than Lea Seydoux herself as crack assassin Sabine Moreau) it's clear that this film means business. The first time one sees Hunt in the PTS, he's coolly bouncing a ball of a prison wall in Moscow (a far cry from the first scene in the last film where he's strapped to a torture chair, helpless and frenzied), just before he smoothly breaks out accompanied by Dean Martin's Ain't That A Kick In The Head. These two opening sequences set the tone for the rest of the film. The action is truly first class, including the now famous Burj Khalifa climb, the sandstorm chase, the automated (and highly inventive) parking garage fight, and of course the Russian prison break. They are all done with a little wink/humour, which makes all the difference for me. One of my favourite scenes is Hunt's instinctive escape from the Moscow hospital - simple but highly effective. The team is outstanding too (Paula Patton and Jeremy Renner join Simon Pegg). I'm almost tempted to move this to #1, but I'll have to wait until I view MI:RN (my current top dog) tomorrow before making a final call.
  • Also adapts bits from the series, such as the third-season The Bunker (in the original a drone goes around air vents, here Renner takes the drone's place) and the fourth-season three parter The Falcon.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Also adapts bits from the series, such as the third-season The Bunker (in the original a drone goes around air vents, here Renner takes the drone's place) and the fourth-season three parter The Falcon.
    I can't remember any of the original series (I saw the episodes when I was really young). It's great that they are borrowing elements from that though. The team effort is best represented in MI: GP imho. It also brings back some of the refined style of the first one but with more humour & irony thrown in. A perfect balance.
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