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Look, see whatever the hell you want to see. I don’t care. It doesn’t make me a dime either way. I came on this board to talk and enjoy things James Bond. I have met some incredibly nice people like @Birdleson and @ObradyMObondfanatic. Then there are others questioning someone’s intelligence over the validity of a scene. I don’t like NTTD, some of you do. So what? Are you that insecure in your own skin? I saw what I saw. Has nothing to do with whether I like the movie or dislike it. Others have seen it too.
We will as fans always agree on differing points within the Bond series. It's one of the many reasons I enjoy being a Bond fan, the endless debate it brings.
In future, I will ask that such personal attacks remain in your mind, and not on the forum.
Thank you.
Didn't spot any bloopers though.
Speaking in English at film's end the danger is gone, and the girl can learn everything without that threat in the shadows.
I’m sure there are errors in there.All films have them.Just sit tight and wait for the inevitable Cinemasins video!
Oh man, good call, I love their videos. Hope they make one for NTTD!
Yea, I took it to be his lips involuntarily moving due to the tension, and 'thinking out loud' in an incredibly testing situation. It's Craig's acting - wanting to convey the helplessness of the scene.
I hate what they did with the story, but his acting is superb in this film. I sparkles, I think.
Just so I'm clear on the rules here, @DarthDimi, @Benny, @Birdleson, this tone is okay?
Personally, this dogpiling on @Minion leaves a sour taste in my mouth. He only said an idea was dim, not any person.
And if @Minion's frustrations mirror my own in any way, it's only because lately this forum seems to be becoming a very negative place. "NTTD sucks and here's why, what went wrong and made TND suck, time to get rid of P&W because they suck, Craig's acting sucks, Craig's soap opera run sucks, creative decisions in the new film suck, QOS editing and direction suck, Safin sucks", and it feels like it goes on and on and on. And if I'm honest, it does feel like it's fueled by an influx of new members that seem overwhelmingly negative about things (at least in the discussions I've seen).
I could be only seeing things one way and not for how they really are, and I'm sure there's positivity in the forums too somewhere, and quite frankly the idea of taking yet another hiatus away from the forums feels exhausting, but maybe that's the thing to do until this negativity and antagonism runs out of steam.
If I could filter out the Craig not Bond / NTTD not Bond rubbish, it would save headaches, flaming, by just bypassing its source completely.
Agreed, @NickTwentyTwo, though I'm sure I wasn't contributing to any dogpiling. Perhaps I should've phrased things differently. My big issue is that escalation happens on both sides. The haters have the pitchforks out, the lovers bring the torches. I'm a huge fan of NTTD, and I decided weeks ago to turn my back on the "haters". Especially after some folks who criticised NTTD confessed they haven't even seen the film, I decided I'm better than this--way better. Suddenly these NTTD threads lost their appeal for me since I had been trying to reason with unmovable brick walls rather than with people who actually knew what they were talking about.
But likewise, some people can't take the least bit of criticism. Criticism, negativity, ... are still allowed. Unpleasant though they may be, they are not in violation of our rules; opinions rarely are. And I still wouldn't worry about this forum; compared to other places on the Internet, from the YT comment section to the low-IQ sewer pits that are Facebook, Twitter and Instagram, we're a peaceful community of likeminded 007 cultists.
Still, the problem is how annoyingly emotional and sensitive people can get over this. It usually takes a few posts before the place turns into a cockfight. I myself have said what I have to say about NTTD--nothing but positive things!--and right now, several other threads are so much more interesting to me.
Is there "too much negativity"? I think it comes in waves, honestly. Some days the lovers are more vocal, other days the haters take over. A lot of conflict and emotionality can be avoided by not always replying to a post one staunchly disagrees with.
Also, why a hiatus? It's a reaction I've simply never understood. We've got hundreds of good threads here; why leave because two or three of them are not such a happy place all the time?
All I can say is, be the smarter person. If you feel like the other guy is going off his rocker, why stoop to his level? Shrug it off, turn your back, post new thoughts and don't give in to the temptation to reply to every single post that triggers your pulse. But when things are escalating, we step in, and then both sides are addressed, some publicly (in an attempt to stop things from getting worse), some privately. It's never a case of "he started it!" because this isn't kindergarten. And yes, mods sometimes post as members, and sometimes as mods. In the latter case, we care about de-escalating conflicts, not about who started what. After all, "who's the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?" And if we do single out troublemakers, we'll step up our vigilance towards them. To be honest, I'm rather pleased with the calm way we have so far experienced the release of NTTD. In 2012 and 2015, several bans had to be issued because of folks who took their opinion of SF and SP far too seriously.
Anyway, I'm sorry if @Minion feels targeted; that wasn't my intent and I apologize. If @sworddevil1 gets rude, flag his post and move on. If he isn't getting rude, just being annoying in your mind, don't flag but still move on. If you feel like ugly fights are imminent, well, move on. In fact, rather than force a hiatus on yourself, just move on. Moving on is easy. "It lends perspective." I'm hanging out in other threads now, with folks who spent a few good weeks discussing NTTD and then moved on. The dust will eventually settle and both haters and lovers will meet each other "in the middle". Then most of us will come back, order another round, sit down and share some laughs and some good debate.
Anyway, once again, I apologize if Minion feels that he took the blame for an escalation that more than one person contributed to.
Well, I'm sure there are other Bond forums where people can seek sanctity if they are bothered with our lack of childish IGNORE/BLOCK features, our layout or mod interventions that feel biased (but aren't).
Lastly, if one feels the need to bypass opposing opinions, I wonder why one wants to join a forum anyway. Discussion forums invite conflicting views; the notion that only people who agree on everything will gather is ludicrously naive. What matters is how one deals with that.
"Letting go is hard." :))
Thanks for the response @DarthDimi.
My prediction is that in a few months from now, most discussions concerning NTTD will tend towards the positive. Criticisms will still be voiced (and that is perfectly okay) but we'll all care much less about each other's opinions, no matter how extreme sometimes.
What I do mind is @MrsAuralSects's accusation that the mods are prejudiced or biased. In all fairness, I think we let a lot of things slide on both sides. And demands for IGNORE/BLOCK features say a lot about the lost art of agreeing-to-disagree in our society. What's next, a "like" button? If people can't handle opposing views, perhaps an Internet forum is not for them. They can always resort to blogging...
Anyway, thanks for being cool about this, @NickTwentyTwo. I'm not too proud to admit I may have been too fast telling @Minion to tone down.
Nobody knows what you're doing yet, @Birdleson, pretending you're no longer a mod and whatnot. But if I'm LeChiffre and @Benny is Greene, then you are our Blofeld. One day you'll come out of the shadows to rule us all... ;-)
I know I definitely need to learn to avoid conflicts here more, and as you say, just shift focus elsewhere. If I'm honest I think I'm insecure because I don't feel I contribute a lot here, not as much as other members, so maybe I compensate by voicing strong counter-opinions... not sure. I'll figure it out.
Trust me, that is not the case. ;-) You have no reason to worry about anything, friend.
Seems quite likely I'm afraid.....it's not pleasant posting here with this going on, and your descriptive of the feature being 'childish'....which is a bit cringe-worthy.
What's not childish about the digital equivalent of putting one's fingers in one's ears and closing one's eyes when another person is saying something you disagree with? Anyway, let me set a fine example by moving on. 😉
I agree with you whole heartedly. We don't need a block button. We need to learn to deal with others, not just shut them down or ban them into oblivion. This leads to intolerance and extremist mindsets. Thank you.
Anyway, during my viewing, I thought he was trying to comfort Mathilde. It seemed pretty obvious at the time, but I guess I'll have to reexamine...
I cannot stress this enough: if people want to write crap and then hide behind buttons that say "unfriend", "block", "ignore"...; in other words, if people want to communicate without communicating...; in still other words, if people are afraid of confronting others while speaking up ..., why not blog or Tweet or "facebook"? That's what they are for: spit, and then run before getting spat on in turn. But here we talk. We converse. We discuss. An essential part of that is learning to cope with the fact that some opinions can't be swayed no matter how good your arguments or how many exclamation marks in a row. And if that depresses you, move on.
Besides, people who want to ignore or block others can always retire to private chatrooms with their favourite members. Inner circles and all that. Little danger of having to talk to someone you disagree with. 😄
I suppose it just feels like currently there is a bit more noise to sift through. And it can be hard to not get pulled in from time to time.