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I'd love to play it again. That aquarium scene in which Bond meets with Colonel Ping was pretty cool. The casino level was great, as well.
I must also play the Quantum of Solace game again.
Remind me not to vote for you.
I am not up for election.
Never Say Never...
I'm not sure you understand the nature of evil, sir...
Neither do people who ignore Hitler...
Thank you, exactly. Quite the opposite. Incredible how hard this is to fathom for some. People shouldn t be mindless goons. Radical leaders are powerless without them.
I only signed up for the five minute argument. Sorry, but your time is over...
Also count me in for movies with happy endings going forward. I'd appreciate a little escapism from these politically turbulent times.
The Nuremberg trial judges faulted soldiers for doing that
I can't pretend to have studied the Nuremberg trials extensively, so I may be off base on this. HOWEVER: my understanding is that common soldiers of the Wehrmacht weren't generally brought to trial at Nuremberg. That tribunal was for higher-ups, the ones who gave orders to the soldiers that were beyond the pale of simple war, but rather, led to genocidal actions on the parts of those soldiers. Concentration camp commanders and above. If you have information to the contrary, please feel free to enlighten me.
What I'm thinking about are the American soldiers who served in Vietnam. Some of them experienced castigation from other American civilians upon their return from 'Nam -- some soldiers in uniform were cursed at & spat upon, etc., by "protestors" upon their return. Now, I protested the conduct of that war myself, back in the day -- but I never expressed my distaste for that war in this particular fashion, and I think it was inappropriate behavior on the part of anti-war activists. That's more the sort of thing I'm referencing here.
It is the duty of a government agent to follow orders unless those orders conflict with national interest or involve crimes against humanity.
Again, what an American thing to say... ;-) There's no evil, there's only judgement by your own moral code. Now there's plenty of arguments to be made why a certain moral code is superior to other codes, something humanists have strived for. And, imo, rightly so. But you should always be careful in judging others. i.e. sometimes we consider killing as evil, sometimes we raise the killer as a hero. Take the kid who ran into that protesting mob (BLM) and shot two dead when he got attacked. Everybody thought he must've been extreme right, but he actually SUPPORTED BLM. But he wanted to go and help the local stores defend themselves because he also believed in that second amendment thing you guys have going on. Now what was it? Was the kid evil, or a hero? Perhaps I should quote Mathis here?
Of course, you can come up with plenty of evil people to prove a point that there's something like pure evil, but therein lies the danger. I know, it's a subtle point to make and perhaps won't be understood here, but I think it's always important to judge every situation as objectively as you can, before using the ultimate dehumanasing label of evil. For it has been used many times before - for evil.
If you read what I wrote above again you might notice I've at no point said governments choices are by definition good. On the contrary, I've stated the same as @GBV, that all governments choices should be held accounted for. However, you implied that we should leave such judgement to the individual. And I've pointed out that such a libertarian point of view is far more dangerous. You've failed to see that point though, then claiming that I would be an assassin working for my government. Something I'm definately not.
Second, no, he was not evil, but he was stupid (& prejudiced & gullible & badly parented), and his stupidity ended up causing two deaths.
Also, if there is no evil, then logic dictates that there also is no good. I disagree with this duelistic disparity from a physics perspective. Is there also action without reaction? ;)
Yes, but we have to this point retained a certain level of civility.
Helen Tasker: Have you ever killed anyone?
Harry Tasker: Yeah, but they were all bad.
He said so himself in a fox interview, iirc with tucker Carlson (talking of evil people.. Oh wait...). It confused the hell out of tucker for sure. And I agree on all the rest of your condemnations towards the guy, but does that make him a bad person? Problem is people act from their own point of view which to their mind is always trying to be good. I once did research into a nazi mayor of my home city during the war. He was a staunch catholic, blamed the jews for the death of christ and supported the nazi oppressor to implement anti-jewish rules. At the same time he tried to get Jewish people off the lists of people set to be rounded up for transport to concentration camps if they'd appealed to him or he knew them.
And indeed, there's no such thing as an impartial 'good' either. Look at all those wars in the name of religion. Both sides always had God and the 'good' on their side, that's why they fought in the first place, against evil. So did the taliban and the US. Etc. Etc.
Broadly I agree with your comments about Nuremberg. My point was simply that Nuremberg established that a soldier can’t use the “I was only following orders” defence, but has to make a choice on whether his/her actions in killing people is within international rules of law before following the government’s orders.
Of course, there is always a degree of Victor’s law, whereby soldiers on the winning side are very unlikely to be tried for war crimes.
What I find interesting about WW2, is that generally it was only the most senior nazis or most extreme cases that were prosecuted. And many of this given life sentences were quietly released by the mid 1950s. Most people just wanted to move on. It’s more recently that we’ve suddenly started prosecuting very old men for crimes that were ignored at the time.
Darth Vader just wanted to bring order to the galaxy.
Thank you for a most interesting and balanced reply. And for your patience with this sometimes flippant yank. ;)
I resemble that remark.
Somehow though, I can't take seriously any remarks put before the public on the FauxNews channel. Especially from somebody accused of murder, claiming to support BLM. Yes, I think he's a bad person. So was the Catholic mayor supporting the Nazis. "Sympathy for Nazi supporters"? Not from me, thanks very much.
I'm afraid that might be on a case by case basis...
I'm feeling philosophical tonight, else I'd go all Indy....
Let's get back on track please.
As I mentioned before, this convo took quite the turn.
Right. Forthwith!
Bond blaming Madeline for the Vesper tomb explosion without proof was soap opera-level writing. Yes, it made for an amazing melodramatic scene inside the DB5 as the gunshots fractured the bulletproof glass, but like they say in fencing- what's the point?
He was already betrayed by Vesper in a similar way, and between Primo, and the phone... Spectre/Blofeld did a pretty good job of framing Madeleine IMO. And, the bags already packed and set to go at the hotel when he returned...
And Madeleine picking that moment to say "There's something I need to tell you..." didn't do her any favours either.
Makes perfect sense to me.
The problem is that SPECTRE seems to spend all their efforts only in fooling Bond all day long as if they did not have more important things to do. At the same time they are simply wiped out by a random goon called Safin. There is just something wrong with the script. SPECTRE is just so extremely underdeveloped by the writers.