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It's at the bottom for me too. I don't plan on owning it either.
Better make that 3. I haven't bought the DVD either. I paid my money and saw it on the big screen, but I don't feel any pull to revisit the film.
@Murdock! Do you have any thoughts about the film shared in more depth anywhere? I'm curious to hear them, I don't see you around these parts that often. I hope all's well.
Then they shouldn’t have had him get shot so badly.The “ sacrifice “ is very muddled.Tony Starks and Logan’s on screen deaths are way more powerful.
That's certainly a fine way of looking at it. You should! I'd be more than happy to read that and see your thoughts.
Let me offer a third reason for Bond's decision: the future of his daughter. Setting the nanobots poisoning aside, Bond also knew that Mathilde would never be safe if he were around. They would always be looking over their shoulder. He had already endangered her and put her through trauma, so why not eliminate that? The film's flashback to a young Madeleine frames that situation perfectly: that life has no room for children.
Safin comments, "What mother wouldn't sacrifice herself for her own child." Same goes for a father. There are lines throughout the film, dealing with the death of parents, rightly or wrongly.
Nomi told Bond, in Jamaica, that he was just killing time and had nothing to live for. Ironically, in his last days on earth, he DID have something to live for.
The poisoning is a bit of a MacGuffin. It's not the real reason; it's just the straw on the camel's back.
The next film I do plan to own.
Star Crossed Spy: The Search For Bond.
Now... who was the last person he touched? That will be where his katra is.... ;)
I can't bring myself to purchase the DVD, because that would be like condoning it. Even though my collection could be seen as incomplete, I'd rather it be missing that particular film. I thought (and hoped) I'd grow into it, (I have a quality download, and I've watched it a few times, I do know the film well). But rather than grow into the new movie, it's actually made me think less of the other Craig Bond films.
I wish it weren't the case.
No, it's not. This ain't the last Bond movie. His death in this one carries no weight. At least in Star Trek 2 there was the *possibility* that Spock was gone for good. This is just Craig gone for good. Alas, his tenure was not a waste. We got one fine story (CR & QOS) before things started going south....
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH *choke* *choke* COUGH!
shouldn't have read that as I was swallowing liquid
That's right. It can only ever be a cheap cynical plot device when they put 'he will return' on the screen ten minutes later. How does that work in any real fictional way, with a none sci-fi 'real word' character?
Seriously, why should anyone care he's dead, when he's not?
Kill him, bring him back, reboot... it's all a load of bollocks.
Seriously, this may be the funniest thing I read inhere in a long time.
I’ll rephrase it: once you accept and LOVE how he dies, then it’s all good. ;)
Did you miss the bit where they killed him in the film then said he'd return in the credits?
It's either zombie Bond, Jesus Bond or just daft.
Sooner or later, someone was going to kill Bond. Some director or actor. It was bound to happen. DC had the balls to say "It's going to be me." It was bold and it was emphatic.
I doubt this will EVER happen again. And NTTD will go down as a classic because of it. Mark my words.
It's not like the credits are lying. James Bond will be back... just not Craigs.
And again do you not think a man whose face has changed four times and stayed the same age in the span of 40 years isn't somewhat daft?
It’s called fiction. It’s stories you make up. Sometimes you write a story one way, sometimes you write it another way. Sometimes they have no chronological connection to before or after. There’s no “rule” that states a character should only have one version of a story told.
Craig’s films were never meant to be interpreted as being the same exact guy as the previous versions. Most people seem to understand that conceit, even in 2006. At least most people didn’t look at Craig Bond and think “oh yeah, he’s the same veteran of the Cold War”.
I’ve seen you try to dismiss the notion of different iterations as “sci-fi/comic book nonsense”. It’s not. It’s happened on many other genres. Nobody watches BATES MOTEL
and thinks “this doesn’t line up with Hitchcock’s film, what is this sci-fi nonsense?!” like a befuddled Miles Messervy.
I don’t question whether or not it was bound to happen, but the point you and I make are quite similar. NTTD is going to be remembered for it’s ending, and not the other great, interesting elements that film brought to the table, and that’s a shame.
I’m not sure about anyone else here, but I found the scene where Bond was making Breakfest for Mathilde, and his protection of her in Safin’s lair way more significant and impactful than watching Bond get thousands of missiles launched straight at him.
I was moved by the emotional weight of the film from the very first scene; it all accumulated to its beautiful, and rightful, conclusion.
Some people love it.
Some liked it.
But the haters seem obsessed. The same things are repeated over and over as if this film was produced solely to personally hurt you.
FFS , it's a film. You hated it. You won't purchase it. You won't watch it again. And that's fine. But repeating the same posts over and over won't change the fact that this is the film we got. Who cares at this point? A new James Bond adventure will soon be on its way.
EDIT: P.S. I am not directing this at you, @007ClassicBondFan .....
No worries @peter, I really enjoy NTTD myself! I agree with everything you say, people do seem to be incredibly upset with the choices this film had made, but I think some people are forgetting that we haven’t been playing by the rules of the formula since 2006. I’m not a fan of some of the decisions made within the Craig era, mainly found in both QOS and SP, but I also think that the best moments from the Craig era are amongst the series’ best moments in general, that Casino Royale, Skyfall, and NTTD are highly entertaining films that push the boundaries of what this franchise and the films can be, that Craig’s era has been the first time since 1969 that the series has dared to push any boundaries at all, but I’m one of the people who hopes that the next era will be a return to the formula. I pretty much want another film like FRWL/TLD, and another era of Bond crafted in the style of those films, grounded stakes without the need for deconstruction. But alas, only EON can make those decisions, we just have to roll with it.
I should have said, "soon enough" @Venutius, 😄
However you realize what this era was about, where they were successful, but you articulate that you're ready for a return to tradition.
I have no idea where they go next, but if they continued from the template that they largely used from '62- '02, I can see a world where Bond was put on ice . The formula was proving creaky.
Now that they have had this run, and it was quite successful with the general audience, they're free to do what they want with a clean slate.
Perhaps returning to tradition will seem new again (since it hasn't really been a staple in the past 16 years)?; Or maybe it's a mix of the tradition and the elements that worked in the Craig era.
As you say, it's EoN's choice.
And they will move in a direction that will put bums in seats AND (hopefully) generally appease the Bond fans (which really is impossible, 😉)