Would you rather go up into the hills with Miss Taro OR get tied up with Helga on the Ning Po?

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  • R1s1ngs0nR1s1ngs0n France
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    Connery, Wint & Kidd and Barry make this yet another easy choice.
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    I spent a lot of time on the set of DAF as a fan, so I'm glad to see so many supportive views. DAF for me as well.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Agent : “Mr. Whyte, phone call for you from Washington. Urgent.”
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  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    edited November 2023 Posts: 4,423
    There's a lot of good stuff in DAD, and I'm a Broz fan, but I have to give this to DAF. It's so kitschy and bizarre, and I adore the mischievous chemistry between Connery and Jill. Plus the Barry score and quotable dialogue.

  • Die another Day because it's often poignant viewing the final title of a long-standing Bond actor. All right Brosnan did 'only' four appearances and it's arguably the weakest of his, but there's still fun to be had and it has one or two redeeming qualities. The negatives however, outweigh the finer values.

    DAF just sees Connery looking largely disinterested throughout the majority of it all, and thinking of his paycheck rather than putting any real effort into Fleming's creation. Two lame entries into the series but DAD takes the vote for this one occasion. There's just more to get involved in over the other.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    DAF holds a sentimental place in my heart. I have always enjoyed the cracking dialogue. Where others say Connery looks un-interested, I see him enjoying the fun script. The characters are well cast in this movie and serve it well. DAD was a fun watch, it hasn't aged well with some of the edits and angles. Brosnan deserved better and does his best to elevate things. If I am choosing I am taking DAF!

    Lets move on to another scenario. This one about locations, namely locations that haven't been visited in a while.

    It has been a while since Bond has come to America. In fact if memory serves Bond hasn't come to America since LTK. He has had a few adventures in the USA. Las Vegas, New York, New Orleans, Los Angeles (though it was France sitting in for it), Kentucky, lastly in Florida! Some great cities are left for our hero to visit and could serve the plot well.

    Asia, Bond hasn't been in Asia since SF which is going on near 15 years ago. Bond has visited Japan, Hong Kong, Thailand, China and Korea, though I think it was London filling in. Bond has enjoyed the sights and in some cases shown a side of the area not seen by many.

    Would you rather a future Bond adventure travel to USA or Asia?

    Please share what location or city you'd like to see him in?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    DAD for me, though DAF still has a ton of entertainment packed in for me. I had a blast with it during my Bondathon this month.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    thedove wrote: »
    DAF holds a sentimental place in my heart. I have always enjoyed the cracking dialogue. Where others say Connery looks un-interested, I see him enjoying the fun script. The characters are well cast in this movie and serve it well. DAD was a fun watch, it hasn't aged well with some of the edits and angles. Brosnan deserved better and does his best to elevate things. If I am choosing I am taking DAF!

    Lets move on to another scenario. This one about locations, namely locations that haven't been visited in a while.

    It has been a while since Bond has come to America. In fact if memory serves Bond hasn't come to America since LTK. He has had a few adventures in the USA. Las Vegas, New York, New Orleans, Los Angeles (though it was France sitting in for it), Kentucky, lastly in Florida! Some great cities are left for our hero to visit and could serve the plot well.

    Asia, Bond hasn't been in Asia since SF which is going on near 15 years ago. Bond has visited Japan, Hong Kong, Thailand, China and Korea, though I think it was London filling in. Bond has enjoyed the sights and in some cases shown a side of the area not seen by many.

    Would you rather a future Bond adventure travel to USA or Asia?

    Please share what location or city you'd like to see him in?

    USA, while not making fun of us, like Guy Hamilton and Tom Mankiewicz did with DAF and LALD.
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    Japan.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    I'll go Asia.
    Bond could go to Singapore, Malaysia, Vietnam, South Korea or even Japan...with a secondary location of Australia ;)
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
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    Asia. The premise of Bond in the Far East is much more exotic and intriguing IMHO. I love the locations of YOLT and TMWTGG.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    Asia, waiting for Bond to go to my country 😁.....
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I would love to see a return to the USA, but I feel it may not be exotic enough and we may end up back in Italy! God love tax breaks. LOL!

    Alright lets move on to another subject.

    I have been told by many on here that the current trend in action films is to have the hero be personally involved or have a personal threat to the hero in the movie. This has lead to almost every film since LTK having a personal angle as Bond has had his friends, boss, colleagues and former or current lovers in harms way.

    Some feel the personal angle has been played out with not much more places for it to go. That the films of yesteryear were fine with Bond attempting a mission with no personal connection. However a look at the films would show a personal angle is present but it's not the over-riding force of the movie or the villains plot.

    Would you rather Bond's next mission be personal OR that the mission not have a personal tie?

    Films like TWINE, QOS, SF, SP, and NTTD all had a personal stake to the plot. Is this a good thing?

    Films like DN, TB, YOTL Bond has a loss within the film which fuels some revenge or at the very least a moment of shock and horror. Think of the dinner scene in DN where he states he wants his first SPECTRE assignment to be a revenge killing for Quarrel.

    Which do you prefer?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    For the sake of variety, I'd prefer to avoid any sense of revenge in this one, unless it's something small, like an ally of Bond's dying at some point and 007's eventual killing of the villain being that much sweeter as a result.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited November 2023 Posts: 3,147
    For Bond 26 - mission movie. Preferably with Bond a few years into being a 00, not a rookie learning the ropes.
  • edited November 2023 Posts: 4,094
    Depends on how either are done. What if hypothetically an ally gets killed at a similar point in the movie to Kerim Bay a la FRWL and that acts as the ‘revenge element’ of the film? I’d be ok with that - Bond avenging his comrade by killing the villain in the last stretch of the film.

    Same for a personal stakes story - what if Bond initially gets involved for a ‘personal’ reason (I dunno, think if Du Pont and Bond were friends in the GF novel and that was the starting point) but it makes way for something bigger/different by the end of the film? I’d be ok with that too.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I'm fine with a personal dimension to the storytelling. In fact, I'd say it's probably a pre-requisite these days. However, my main problem is how the trope is used; it seems to often revolve around a foe from the past presumed dead, a betrayal from someone close, or simple vengeance. It all starts to feel very same-y to me.

    We've had missions with personal angles before - even something like Bond taking Scaramanga on has its personal edge to it. You can have personal elements to a story without that story revolving around said elements. There are a few different ways to show character arcs and growth of your protagonist.

    So somewhere in between is my cop out answer. Sorry, gang. :)
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    I actually liked the concept or idea of the villain in Everything or Nothing, in which a present villain avenges the death of a former villain.

    Or Tomorrow Never Dies could've been more interesting had Elliot Carver felt the grit of losing his wife over Bond, I know he ordered to kill his wife, but it should be ran by jealousy, like Paris died because of Bond.

    No problems with villains having personal grit, as long as handled well, and been given a unique and interesting concept.

    But I'm done with Bond making it personal, please, enough of it for now, I think it would be a bit fresh to have it on the villains.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    edited November 2023 Posts: 5,395
    That is indeed a different take @SIS_HQ . Aside from Kronsteen's comment in FRWL there is never a mention of a villain wishing for some revenge for a fallen comrade.

    Okay lets move on to another subject, lets have some fun with this one. There is an old saying from Mae West.

    "When I am good I am very good, when I am bad I am even better."



    Lets turn focus to the bad girls of Bond. Specifically lets talk about taking a bad Bond girl on a date.

    Would you rather take Fiona Volpe from TB OR Electra King from TWINE on a date?

    In one corner a fiery red head who takes no prisoners. She is talented on a motorbike, knows who to shoot skeet. Fiona is dressed to impress, likes to drive a car fast and is known for taking baths in a strangers hotel room. Fiona enjoys dancing and feathered boas.

    In the other corner a brunette who is an heiress! Electra is a survivor who will do what it takes to live another day. She is a talented skier, public orator. Electra can charm most that she comes in contact with but don't let your guard down or you may get screwed. She is in touch with her maternal side and is committed to a cause!

    Who are you taking out on a date? You can take it from what we know about the characters, their appearance or anywhere else you would like to.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Both ladies would provide danger and excitement, but Fiona for me. It’s that “caged animal” i’m a sucker for… Taking nothing away from Electra’s own very attractive quality, but sometimes a man wants to be a mouse, while the cat does play…
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Fiona Volpe, still the hottest woman to grace the Bond frenchise. Maybe not the most beautiful, but steaming like no other!
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Volpe for her ability to look good in a pair of sandals.
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    Fiona.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    Fiona Volpe. One of the sexiest girls in the series
  • R1s1ngs0nR1s1ngs0n France
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    Both are gorgeous ladies but Fiona wins this one, hands down. I’m at her mercy.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Fiona Volpe hands down, hands up...anyway she likes.
    One of the hottest women to grace a Bond film.
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
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    Fiona. "Fiona knows Fiona!" :D
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    I love these polls where you can't lose with either choice.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Fiona. I'll even shout the drinks and a new can of hairspray 👍
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
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    Volpe.


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    Definitely Volpe.
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