It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
^ Back to Top
The MI6 Community is unofficial and in no way associated or linked with EON Productions, MGM, Sony Pictures, Activision or Ian Fleming Publications. Any views expressed on this website are of the individual members and do not necessarily reflect those of the Community owners. Any video or images displayed in topics on MI6 Community are embedded by users from third party sites and as such MI6 Community and its owners take no responsibility for this material.
James Bond News • James Bond Articles • James Bond Magazine
Comments
See, I don't know which movie you're referring to!
Octopussy.
OHMSS also had James Bond in "disguise" using a pair of Clark Kent's discarded glasses, lol.
Bond films (all films), aren't written, developed, produced and released for a few thousand fans worldwide. They're made for worldwide audiences. Fans may be annoyed by a one or two second Tarzan scream, but others, who are out for a fun night at the cinema, may've had a good laugh at that scene.
Instead of taking offence at small beats throughout the series, learn to accept them as add-ons the filmmakers have always peppered in these movies for general filmgoers (and not necessarily for the discerning 007 fan)...
And voodoo might be real, and Japanese gods appear to be real and communicate through statues!
Yeah, I don't see how it's more over the top than YOLT or GF, and I don't see why any of these movies needs to be "forgiven" for being the "most OTT" in an OTT series of movies.
We can say the same thing about DAF, TMWGG, etc but we can barely forgive a fat Connery.
@DEKE_RIVERS , I have no idea what your point is? Who is “we”? Personally I have a blast watching DAF. What are you talking about? Are you going to expand on this thought, or just leave it mysteriously hanging?
Pink tie > fat Connery
"We" are the fans.
I like DAF too, by the way
Fans speaking on behalf of "the fans" are like politicians saying what we want and need.
No two fans are alike in their tastes, expectations, desires...
“Fans speaking on behalf of "the fans" are like politicians saying what we want and need.
No two fans are alike in their tastes, expectations, desires...”— definitely, @DarthDimi !!!
My point is... If i can forgive the silliy jokes in OP, I can do the same thing with other movies.
in fact, I can forgive everything.
And that's all that really matters.
Fair enough, but I think, and I stress *think*, that we all may be agreeing with the assessment: jokes do count; some are silly and people may not enjoy them as much as others, but is it really enough to disqualify an entire film for a one or two second Tarzan joke, a one-to-two second visual gag of zooming in on a woman’s breasts, a one second line, that hasn’t aged well about curry, when there are two hours of a pretty tight spy thriller?… That's why some of us don’t understand why Octopussy may score lower in the rankings when fans have criticized the film for about ten seconds of jokes in a two hour film.
With Diamonds, which I have a blast watching, I do see a dip in the filmmaking department, and I can see where some of the criticisms do come from (cinematography that’s flat and at times ugly, a poorly conceived third act that’s executed with a lazy touch, Las Vegas isn’t exactly a sexy location, a character like Tiffany Case suddenly becomes a hapless bimbo, Blofeld who was wonderfully depicted in the early parts of the previous decade, and who had graduated to Bond’s Moriarty-like foe by the time OHMSS was released, is now a silly bit of slapstick …)…
Ok, unless you’re counting things I’m not, 🤷♂️. The Tarzan scream was what two seconds at the most? That’ll keep you in curry- one or two seconds? Zooming in on breasts? 1 or 2 secs? Sit! One second? Most of these gags are mixed into a larger action sequence… uhm the Bond theme being played by Vijay- 2 seconds? I’m straining here and I have at most 10 seconds of what could be seen as “silly” and I’ll-fitting jokes.
So, there’s a two hour film that has great tension, two leads with chemistry, a nice dose of Fleming and Fleming-like Cold War espionage, an incredible third act and about ten seconds of jokes…. I’d love to hear what you think should be cut out, and why?
One thing I did notice when I watched it yesterday, was Octopussy's delivery of the line about Bond giving her father an honourable way out. It was rushed I felt, and a couple of pauses would have made a bit more of such a pivotal (and Fleming-rich) line in the film.
Having 009 die as a clown at the start, and having 007 wear the same outfit at the end is actually quite Hitchcockian. I'm not going to moan about Bond in clowns gear again.
I'll still moan about the Tarzan yell though.
Well....
FYEO 90 minutes of spy thriller and 30 minutes of sillines
OP 90 minutes of sillines against 30 minutes of spy thriller.
Then you and I are watching two different films. I suppose when one is looking for something, one will usually find it, 🤷♂️.
Some viewers rate the Tarzan yell or 'sit' moment higher than others (and no, as gags they're not for everyone), but it's very much part of the humour of the cinematic Bond. I mean, are these gags a million miles away from the comedy/self awareness of, Daniel Craig falling inexplicably on a couch during the explosion in SP's PTS, or how Bond and Kara escape on a cello case in TLD or whatever? Trying to break down these films by how 'silly' vs how much of them are in the realm of 'spy thriller' is kinda pointless in that sense.
You can also look for meaning in some posts here where you will never find it.