Octopussy – 40th Anniversary: Expanded/Remastered Limited Edition (2 CD set)

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  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    I got mine.

    OP plus LALD. Delivered together to northwest Virginia.

  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited February 29 Posts: 16,357
    I got mine today as well. I had to stop everything I was doing to listen to it. It's excellent. So many great cues, Truly a feast for the ears. I'll be listening to this one for a while.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    I have a LONG road trip starting Wed next week which will be right on time for this.


  • willowlovewillowlove Kent, WA, USA
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    For anyone who didn't yet order it, La-La Land's website says this and LALD are back in stock and start shipping March 11.
  • morcarvicmorcarvic france
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    Has anyone received their copy of LALD yet? Would be interested to know how different it is from the existing release.

    aside from remastering mix qualities and better chronological order the la la land edition gives us the complete baron samedi flute cue as part of the track the lovers heard in the film when bond and solitaire "follow the scarecrows" en route to escape by bus.otherwise i'd say 2003 and 2024 releases are the same.ps we are still missing that voodoo drum cue thatsegues into "sacrifice" also film versions of just a closer walk with thee [bridging extension].

  • morcarvicmorcarvic france
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    octopussy ,though fantastic as this release is,for me anyway its left me a little puzzled vis a vis 1 where is the casino source music 2 how does barrys let sport commence and hunt continues cues interweave with library cues tom toms and dramatic drumming to create film versions 3why is web sting from same hunting seqence absent and4 why the "easter egg"of circus sting at end of "distraction"?
  • morcarvicmorcarvic france
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    ok imight still be jumping the gun here because many still may not have had the chance to listen to the new la la land release,but ive discovered another inconsistency between the album track "palace iintrigue" and its film counterpart. The film version has a stab note for when bond hides in the freezer room and we see two dead bodies hung-up,not present on album track at around 28 to 29 seconds in.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Pay more attention to your chef
    edited March 9 Posts: 7,055
    Finally got this and listened to it. It's very cool. In a previous post, I'd mentioned a bunch of tracks I was looking forward to, but I'd forgotten about All Time High (Instrumental). Such a beautiful track; it's great to finally have it in clean shape. Another track that I found particularly enjoyable, despite never having paid much attention to it before, is The Romanov Star.

    Then, there are the inevitable surprises that come with a release like this: the bits of unused music, like the end of Kremlin Art Repository. The cues that were originally meant to go with the death scenes of Mischka and Grischka are especially interesting, because they reuse the India action theme, but in the film, they were replaced with the 009 Gets the Knife music. I think this was a good choice, because it calls back to that scene and fits the locale better.

    The other thing I was thinking about is that this score uses trills or tremolos quite a bit. More than other Barry scores, I would say.

    morcarvic wrote: »
    1 where is the casino source music
    It wasn't on the tapes they found. Documents indicate the original idea was to use the ATH instrumental in that scene.

    morcarvic wrote: »
    2 how does barrys let sport commence and hunt continues cues interweave with library cues tom toms and dramatic drumming to create film versions
    Let the Sport Commence is played in the film when Bond is in the bag, but I don't remember if it's heard in full. I think The Hunt Continues is not heard in the film, and was replaced with the cues you mention.

    morcarvic wrote: »
    4 why the "easter egg"of circus sting at end of "distraction"?
    That's diegetic music, so it was never going to be part of the main album program, which consists of non-diegetic music. In other words, they weren't going to stick it between Checkpoint Charlie and The Romanov Star, so they pushed it to the end of the first disc. Now why not place it chronologically in that section of the disc (between The Floating Palace and Distraction)? Clearly, because it's a very short cue that would break the flow of the album.

    morcarvic wrote: »
    ok imight still be jumping the gun here because many still may not have had the chance to listen to the new la la land release,but ive discovered another inconsistency between the album track "palace iintrigue" and its film counterpart. The film version has a stab note for when bond hides in the freezer room and we see two dead bodies hung-up,not present on album track at around 28 to 29 seconds in.
    Yes, the stab note is clearly an overlay that was added later on. Somehow, I suspected it was going to be absent from the album track. However, I think I can extract it from the film audio and add it on top of the album track. Will let you know.
  • morcarvicmorcarvic france
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    Thanks for the feedback mattjoes ,with regard to my comment on the casino source ,my error in not making clear i mean't the question "where are the film sources ,in a rhetorical fashion i.e where indeed (a conundrum).Secondly my feeling for the let the sport commence is it begins with barrys cue until the first horn blast then is replaced orgreatly mixed over with tom tom rhytmns aside from the absent barry web-sting around 15 to 18 seconds after the horn.The hunt continues again seems to begin with horn blast followed by dramatic drumming no.2 either clean or overlaid over some of the barry cue very low in the mix ,i confess its too noisey a sequence for my ear to be sure on.Oh p.s well done on the kremlin repository cue i completely missed that one.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    'Magda' and 'Finale' were nice surprises for me, for some reason I hadn't noticed them in the film, they're very lovely.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Pay more attention to your chef
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    morcarvic wrote: »
    Thanks for the feedback mattjoes ,with regard to my comment on the casino source ,my error in not making clear i mean't the question "where are the film sources ,in a rhetorical fashion i.e where indeed (a conundrum).
    I see what you mean-- where, indeed. Assuming it's not library music, of course.

    Sometimes, out of necessity, soundtrack albums are put together from multiple sources. In fact, I recall the expanded version of John Barry's The Dove used film audio stems provided by Paramount to supplement the music that was not available in the tapes they had found.

    morcarvic wrote: »
    Secondly my feeling for the let the sport commence is it begins with barrys cue until the first horn blast then is replaced orgreatly mixed over with tom tom rhytmns aside from the absent barry web-sting around 15 to 18 seconds after the horn.The hunt continues again seems to begin with horn blast followed by dramatic drumming no.2 either clean or overlaid over some of the barry cue very low in the mix ,i confess its too noisey a sequence for my ear to be sure on.
    Yes, very noisy, that's why I couldn't determine which Dramatic Drumming cue they used.

    I'm going to look into that web sting cue, see if it can be extracted too.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I finally had the chance to listen to the LLLR editions of LALD and OP. Good stuff. Probably still not 100% complete, but I'm nevertheless happy with the all the work they put into them.

    I played a little game with myself: what other titles would I like to see them take care of next? This is the outcome, in decending order of urgence:

    1) MR
    2) AVTAK
    3) LTK
    4) TSWLM

    I'd love to have these four as complete as possible, with tracks arranged in film order.
  • morcarvicmorcarvic france
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    morcarvic wrote: »
    Thanks for the feedback mattjoes ,with regard to my comment on the casino source ,my error in not making clear i mean't the question "where are the film sources ,in a rhetorical fashion i.e where indeed (a conundrum).
    I see what you mean-- where, indeed. Assuming it's not library music, of course.

    Sometimes, out of necessity, soundtrack albums are put together from multiple sources. In fact, I recall the expanded version of John Barry's The Dove used film audio stems provided by Paramount to supplement the music that was not available in the tapes they had found.

    morcarvic wrote: »
    Secondly my feeling for the let the sport commence is it begins with barrys cue until the first horn blast then is replaced orgreatly mixed over with tom tom rhytmns aside from the absent barry web-sting around 15 to 18 seconds after the horn.The hunt continues again seems to begin with horn blast followed by dramatic drumming no.2 either clean or overlaid over some of the barry cue very low in the mix ,i confess its too noisey a sequence for my ear to be sure on.
    Yes, very noisy, that's why I couldn't determine which Dramatic Drumming cue they used.

    I'm going to look into that web sting cue, see if it can be extracted too.

    Well I wish every success with those stings (speaking of those ,it's something of a paradox to me that they are absent, yes not unsurprising if they are late production pick-ups or inserts, and yet we have the hot air balloon section of palace fight by contrast found and presented.) moving on i do think dramatic drumming no.2 is the film used track. As for the elusive casino sources at this moment in time i really would be stunned if they turned out to be library tracks not composed by Barry as that sort of music would be more john's meat and potatoes than tracks like ganguar ghat and bazaar for instance(though they clearly show he could do ethnic.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Pay more attention to your chef
    edited March 14 Posts: 7,055
    morcarvic wrote: »
    Well I wish every success with those stings (speaking of those ,it's something of a paradox to me that they are absent, yes not unsurprising if they are late production pick-ups or inserts, and yet we have the hot air balloon section of palace fight by contrast found and presented.)
    I used to think the balloon Bond Theme was an insert, but perhaps it was something that was part of the recording and was edited out for the original album.

    morcarvic wrote: »
    moving on i do think dramatic drumming no.2 is the film used track. As for the elusive casino sources at this moment in time i really would be stunned if they turned out to be library tracks not composed by Barry as that sort of music would be more john's meat and potatoes than tracks like ganguar ghat and bazaar for instance(though they clearly show he could do ethnic.
    Absolutely, I do think it's more likely that the casino music was recorded for the film.

    As for tracks like Gangaur Ghat and Bazaar, I think it's likely that Barry asked the musicians to improv something in the moment, much like the Gypsy Camp guitar solo in FRWL, the banjo music in GF and the jacuzzi music in AVTAK. In other words, it's possible these tracks, while recorded for the film, were only supervised by Barry rather than composed by him.

    I tried extracting the web sting music but the results weren't satisfactory enough. Audio looping is needed to get around the SFX, but I couldn't quite crack it this time.

    On the other hand, I did manage to add the sting to the Palace Intrigue music. Download here:
    https://mega.nz/file/9UQzhTQL#AJcoVUz_q_FrA54E580qy3lKIcCKjGqsYdb7uv706YU
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I got my LaLaLALD last week (do we have a thread for that?) and although there's perhaps not as much totally fresh music on it as OP thanks to the '03 release, the sound quality is the real star here- it sounds like they're in the room with you. Absolutely amazing.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    mtm wrote: »
    I got my LaLaLALD last week (do we have a thread for that?) and although there's perhaps not as much totally fresh music on it as OP thanks to the '03 release, the sound quality is the real star here- it sounds like they're in the room with you. Absolutely amazing.

    Yeah. Agreed. The sound quality of the two scores is audio heaven.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Pay more attention to your chef
    edited March 25 Posts: 7,055
    mtm wrote: »
    'Magda' and 'Finale' were nice surprises for me, for some reason I hadn't noticed them in the film, they're very lovely.
    I remembered Magda but not Finale (not in any specific sense anyway, except knowing it was a romantic cue). I too felt that one was really beautiful. Also, I hadn't noticed that Kamal Khan's Death uses the sixteenth-note string part from the action theme of the film.

    Of all things, I also find Bazaar very catchy. I always remembered the music accompanying the bit with the flower necklace.

    mtm wrote: »
    I got my LaLaLALD last week (do we have a thread for that?) and although there's perhaps not as much totally fresh music on it as OP thanks to the '03 release, the sound quality is the real star here- it sounds like they're in the room with you. Absolutely amazing.
    It's a very crisp and detailed mix, but I feel it lacks a bit of low end. The 2003 mix had more bass to it. Not a real complaint though, I'll take Bond music any way I can get it.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Pay more attention to your chef
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    For us completists...

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    Octopussy: The Tarantula Nest - Download here:
    https://mega.nz/folder/hAZ0UDoL#KStDmUbjXpB-U_Prsiotyg
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,249
    mattjoes wrote: »
    For us completists...

    fkL3HJj.jpg



    Octopussy: The Tarantula Nest - Download here:
    https://mega.nz/folder/hAZ0UDoL#KStDmUbjXpB-U_Prsiotyg

    You are a genuine musical Santa Claus, sir. Thank you!
  • mattjoesmattjoes Pay more attention to your chef
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    You're welcome!
  • morcarvicmorcarvic france
    Posts: 69
    "Tarantula nest",the boys done it again! congrats and gratitude any chance project avtak could be set aside so you could look at recreating those casino cues with a view to effectively completing octopussy.Always welcome whatever you choose to do.
    mattjoes wrote: »
    For us completists...

    fkL3HJj.jpg



    Octopussy: The Tarantula Nest - Download here:
    https://mega.nz/folder/hAZ0UDoL#KStDmUbjXpB-U_Prsiotyg


  • mattjoesmattjoes Pay more attention to your chef
    Posts: 7,055
    morcarvic wrote: »
    "Tarantula nest",the boys done it again! congrats and gratitude any chance project avtak could be set aside so you could look at recreating those casino cues with a view to effectively completing octopussy.Always welcome whatever you choose to do.
    You're welcome. I doubt I'll do the OP casino music in the short term, as I feel the unreleased AVTAK music is less work for more value. Also, since the OP casino music is improvisational, it's more time-consuming to do, as it takes longer to transcribe.
  • bcaloubcalou France
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    Hi there, I tried!



    (more info in the video description)

    Thanks for all the great reconstructions, @mattjoes. It's great to know that more AVTAK music is coming :) Loved your work on Goldfinger too.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Pay more attention to your chef
    edited April 18 Posts: 7,055
    You're welcome, and very nice to see you work on the casino music! It's great to hear those opening piano figures outside of the film.
  • Posts: 1
    bcalou wrote: »
    Hi there, I tried!



    (more info in the video description)

    Thanks for all the great reconstructions, @mattjoes. It's great to know that more AVTAK music is coming :) Loved your work on Goldfinger too.

    Very nice made
  • morcarvicmorcarvic france
    Posts: 69
    Solid effort,bcalou i think thats just about the last major piece of the puzzle solved for octopussy's completion.


  • Posts: 97
    bcalou wrote: »
    Hi there, I tried!



    (more info in the video description)

    Thanks for all the great reconstructions, @mattjoes. It's great to know that more AVTAK music is coming :) Loved your work on Goldfinger too.

    Thank you very much @bcalou for this! Would you mind sharing a downloadable link for us please?
  • bcaloubcalou France
    Posts: 72
    Thanks for the kind comments :)

    Here is a download link for the wav files : https://mega.nz/file/cPF0gZpK#Uzu_PhOgFp0Cf0wmVS-G8CkjCBej6n1UvlVCpEYgzbc
  • mattjoesmattjoes Pay more attention to your chef
    edited July 24 Posts: 7,055
    Does anybody know why the The Chase Bomb Theme on disc 1 is labeled film version? The mix is different from the track on disc 2, but is there any other difference?

    Edit: Okay, I know. On disc 1, the ending is like one beat shorter than on disc 2. I assume the version on disc 2 is the way the track was recorded and disc 1 is an edit (because why would they do that otherwise).
  • Posts: 97
    mattjoes wrote: »
    Does anybody know why the The Chase Bomb Theme on disc 1 is labeled film version? The mix is different from the track on disc 2, but is there any other difference?

    Edit: Okay, I know. On disc 1, the ending is like one beat shorter than on disc 2. I assume the version on disc 2 is the way the track was recorded and disc 1 is an edit (because why would they do that otherwise).

    You got me curious about this, so I compared the two tracks side-by-side. The mix is definitely different in the film version (the tremolo strings are more prominent), but curiously the tempo of the film version is also slower.
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