EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards (Heyman and Pascal confirmed as producers)

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  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Maybe better for second unit though.

    Yeah. I agree. I know James Bond is action-packed. But a full action director directing Bond, doesn't really excite me. Because he could just make it a standard action film, with lots of action scenes, but no "Wow" moments that Bond needs in action. Drama and thriller directors who take their time to create mood, tension, atmosphere and suspense, have a better chance at creating unusual and exciting action scenes.

    Yeah exactly. I enjoyed Extraction but as I recall they were long action scenes really, and the directors of Bond films traditionally don't even handle those bits. I don't recall anything in the non-action parts of Extraction which seemed to make him suitable for Bond, which is much more than just action. But he is very good at action, so maybe second unit.

    I don't think we can go with "traditionally this is how these films have been produced" anymore. On anything really. The pieces will still be there, but I don't think any of the things we know about the way production was run is still relevant. It's going to be run much closer to a normal international blockbuster.

    I'm saying this because I've been thinking about how they're going to choose an actor and a lot of m thoughts on that went along this "well they always do X" line and we just don't know if they are going to keep doing X.

    That being said. I think they are going to go with as safe bets as they can manage for script, direction and lead actor to get a score on the board. That's why I also don't think it's going to be Cuaron. Heyman may have talked to him about maybe doing a later film. The Skyfall of this run, if you will. But for the first one, I think they'll want someone to bring that baby in in time and in budget and with all the main pieces popping off. And while just compiling a list of directors Pascal/Heyman have worked with is a fool's errand and the names are sometimes uninspiring I think someone in the vein of Jon Watts, Lord/Miller, David Yates (yikes) or - yes, I made an April Fool's post about him, but only because I think he's an actual contender - Paul King. King of course would probably need a Second Unit Director to do the action.
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    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Maybe better for second unit though.

    Yeah. I agree. I know James Bond is action-packed. But a full action director directing Bond, doesn't really excite me. Because he could just make it a standard action film, with lots of action scenes, but no "Wow" moments that Bond needs in action. Drama and thriller directors who take their time to create mood, tension, atmosphere and suspense, have a better chance at creating unusual and exciting action scenes.

    Yeah exactly. I enjoyed Extraction but as I recall they were long action scenes really, and the directors of Bond films traditionally don't even handle those bits. I don't recall anything in the non-action parts of Extraction which seemed to make him suitable for Bond, which is much more than just action. But he is very good at action, so maybe second unit.

    Now he's honing his directing skills, i doubt if he would revert to doing second unit.

    Personally i think he could handle the hugeness of a Bond production. John Glen started out as second unit and like him or not, made some great Bond films..

    The set pieces were great in the 80's.

    But it depends on the type of film you want to make. We certainly don't need Cuaron if he's only going to direct the scenes with M.
  • edited April 15 Posts: 5,013
    I certainly hope it’s not David Yates. That Bond film would be painfully average. I also agree about Hargrave - I’m not sure he’d bring anything special to Bond.

    At any rate, while I understand they might want to play certain things safe (ie. keep the Bond theme, the gunbarrel, all the iconic elements etc), I also think there’s little point in making a Bond film if they’re not trying to create the best movie they can. Arguably one of the worst things they can do is make this film underwhelming, average or even generic. It’d feel like a let down given the circumstances. Ultimately it’s in Amazon’s best interest for this film to make an impact.

    So I suppose a flip side to that perspective is they might well go for an established, bigger name like Cuaron - someone who has a very distinct visual style and will bring something unique to Bond story wise. A sort of ‘go big or go home’ mentality. Ultimately though we’ll have to see, and it could go either way or in practice be a combination of both mentalities.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Maybe better for second unit though.

    Yeah. I agree. I know James Bond is action-packed. But a full action director directing Bond, doesn't really excite me. Because he could just make it a standard action film, with lots of action scenes, but no "Wow" moments that Bond needs in action. Drama and thriller directors who take their time to create mood, tension, atmosphere and suspense, have a better chance at creating unusual and exciting action scenes.

    Yeah exactly. I enjoyed Extraction but as I recall they were long action scenes really, and the directors of Bond films traditionally don't even handle those bits. I don't recall anything in the non-action parts of Extraction which seemed to make him suitable for Bond, which is much more than just action. But he is very good at action, so maybe second unit.

    I don't think we can go with "traditionally this is how these films have been produced" anymore. On anything really. The pieces will still be there, but I don't think any of the things we know about the way production was run is still relevant. It's going to be run much closer to a normal international blockbuster.

    It's true that we can't stick to thinking about how they've traditionally been made, but I would think that would just mean they're likely to go with a director who has shown they can handle drama and comedy and action, rather than going with someone who has shown they can do great action and that's it.
    And while just compiling a list of directors Pascal/Heyman have worked with is a fool's errand and the names are sometimes uninspiring I think someone in the vein of Jon Watts, Lord/Miller, David Yates (yikes) or - yes, I made an April Fool's post about him, but only because I think he's an actual contender - Paul King. King of course would probably need a Second Unit Director to do the action.

    Yeah, sticking to the names they've already worked with is a bit silly, but I agree that of that list King is not a crazy idea. He's shown he can do drama and comedy and emotion, handle big set pieces, and make completely brilliant films for the family.
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    I still think David MacKenzie ( 'Hell or High Water' 'Outlaw King') is the right man!
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I was listening to the latest episode of the James Bond and Friends podcast this morning and it seems like the general consensus is fans want a lighter Brosnan style film. Is that the case?

    I personally want them to stick with the Craig era tone (CR/QOS) but make them less personal to Bond and more stand alone.
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I was listening to the latest episode of the James Bond and Friends podcast this morning and it seems like the general consensus is fans want a lighter Brosnan style film. Is that the case?

    I personally want them to stick with the Craig era tone (CR/QOS) but make them less personal to Bond and more stand alone.

    I think it’s one of those things where no one knows what they want until they see it, and we’re very much at the vocal, but speculative part of this process.

    I think while a lot of fans would want ‘standalone’ films and perhaps a more traditional/formula based Bond film (and perhaps something ‘lighter’), I don’t think there’s much consensus when we get into specifics about what we want.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    it seems like the general consensus is fans want a lighter Brosnan style film. Is that the case?
    Not for me, Jordo. Not even a vague step in that direction, tbh. I'm with you - CR/QOS is my preferred template too.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    A Bond 26 announcement might just come out of the blue...any day now.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    If that Sun article is correct about Amazon wanting the film released in 2027 then they'll have to announce something very soon.

    It took EON around 2 years to complete a film more or less from scratch, and that's with a loyal team following from film to film. Amazon literally have to start from nothing, on top of casting a new Bond (which is critically important to get right). There's A LOT of work to be done.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited April 15 Posts: 2,457
    If that Sun article is correct about Amazon wanting the film released in 2027 then they'll have to announce something very soon.

    It took EON around 2 years to complete a film more or less from scratch, and that's with a loyal team following from film to film. Amazon literally have to start from nothing, on top of casting a new Bond (which is critically important to get right). There's A LOT of work to be done.

    Yeah. An announcement doesn't mean the film is guaranteed for 2027. We're definitely going to hear new announcements, since Pascal & Heyman are already working on Bond 26, in an early development stage.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    Groundhog day with this conversation
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Yeah, speaking of Refn visual style, this video never fails to get a chuckle out of me.


    Seeing that video, I started dreaming of a Jodorowski Bond film. :-D I truly love his films 'El Topo' and 'The Holy Mountain', and I wish his 'Dune' had become reality. But in all seriousness, a Jodorowski Bond film would play like a drug-induced trip -- not DAF but DAF to the power DAF.
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    Witty, not lighter. All lighter did for me was give me a Bond who never really felt he was in danger.
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