EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards (Heyman and Pascal confirmed as producers)

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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    If you're David Heyman and you just became producer of Bond and your multiple oscar winning collaborater who you get on well with says he has a vision and is interested to direct the next film, then you'd be mad not to bring him in and at least try make it work. It just seems like a natural fit and only the same as what EON has done several times throughout the years.

    I don't exactly see the problem with that?
  • edited April 13 Posts: 5,036
    peter wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    You never know - if it is him maybe he’s got solid ideas for Bond that have impressed the producers. I understand Roma’s not for everyone but I can see why based on his previous films (especially Potter 3/his previous association with Heyman) why he’d be considered.

    Bingo.

    Strange post. Nothing that Hally said contradicts my thoughts.

    It’s also strange, @Mendes4Lyfe , that you tell another member to give up films made a decade ago, yet you’re obsessing for a filmmaker who made a Potter film 21 years ago; made Children of Men nineteen years ago, and; his last feature effort was seven years ago. It’s ironic, @Mendes4Lyfe that’d you tell someone to “give it up” about films a decade old, but what are you doing?

    Anyways, of course a Cuaron should be in the mix. But if the rumours are true and he’s the one and only, I’m concerned about the coronation of a guy who hasn’t really done much of consequence in the last decade, and if we’re being honest, the film he’s done that most cite is Children of Men (which is almost two decades old). Does this automatically eliminate Cuaron in my eyes? Of course not. And I never said that, but…

    …For the first time in Bond’s history, the official series will be produced by someone not named Broccoli, Wilson or Saltzman. I’d have thought there’d be a massive cattle call of the finest directing talent out there (amongst other heads of department (writing, casting, costume))… If they’re not talking to an entire range of talent, then yes, that’d make me concerned. That’s all (and although I’m not fan of Nolan, I think he should also be in on the mix, along with the big boys named Fincher and Villeneuve, and; as I mentioned yesterday: bring in top women directors (plenty work in the space of thrillers and suspense); bring in top dramatic directors who’ve shown a flair of creating tension in their films; hell bring in top notch horror-thriller directors. There’s a lot of talent out there that should be explored…)

    Edit: @007HallY .. if you look at my posts from yesterday and today, I said bring in directors of all genres, including drama. I personally, would be more interested in a Cuaron Bond film over a Villeneuve or a Nolan Bond film, but, I also think they should blow the doors off the search for a director and anointing Cuaron (IF true), is concerning (as there is a load of talent out there). Sometimes I wonder if people read posts to see what they want to see?

    I think that’s fair. I guess what I was trying to get at was we don’t really know what’s going on with this process. We don't even know if it’ll be Cuaron at the moment. But if he’s being seriously considered it could be a combination of reasons which might point to him being the best bet (ie. Other directors of similar experience not being available sooner or wanting to do it, perhaps they’ve met and talked it over and impressed them with a vision for Bond etc). I don’t know though. Maybe he is being anointed and it’s at the expense of better options.

    As I said repeatedly in my comments: IF….

    I’m not assuming anything. My thoughts are based on IF….

    Yes, agreed! Wasn’t trying to argue against what you were saying. Just my thoughts. Ultimately we’ll see what comes of all this and whether the best decisions will be made.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    If you're David Heyman and you just became producer of Bond and your multiple oscar winning collaborater who you get on well with says he has a vision and is interested to direct the next film, then you'd be mad not to bring him in and at least try make it work. It just seems like a natural fit and only the same as what EON has done several times throughout the years.

    Once again, EoN have been the established Bond filmmakers since 1962.

    This is more about “trying” to make things work, Mendes. This is about exploding out of the gate. And IF they just coronate a director who hasn’t made a feature in almost a decade, then yes, that’s concerning to me.

    Once again, shall I put these thoughts on the controversial page?

    And you must “get over” a director who hasn’t done a feature in seven years!

    🙄
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    peter wrote: »
    I just find it hard to believe that Cuaron, a man who hasn’t directed a film in seven years, whose last project looked beautiful but was very messy, is the one and only.
    Totally agree, there should be at least a list with several different directors, even if Cuarón remains their favorite choice. I wouldn't be impressed if they choose him as the director. Ok, I'm honest, I fear with him as director we will once again get a very dark Bond movie (maybe even darker than the latest ones), which is not what I would look forward to.
    There are so many more interesting directors. Maybe Joachim Rønning could be an interesting choice? He could bring a bit of an adventure feeling back into the series.

  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    I think if we're going to use directors who made a 2000's adventure flick as a measuring stick, then we should look at Gore Verbinski and Peter Jackson as well.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I've always dreamt of a Nicolas Winding Refn directed Bond film, although I'm sure I'm pretty much alone in that. ;-)
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Skyfall was about the franchise commenting on itself, spectre was about retroactively establishing continuity for Craigs films and bringing back Blofeld/SP after 30 years, the last film was about wrapping up the loose ends and creating a definitive end for EON's journey with the character. It'll be nice to just have a Bond film without the gimmicks for once, where he can get back to taking care of business and saving the world without the other stuff taking the spotlight. It feels like it's been decades since we've had that.
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    I'd say Cuaron has a far more distinctive and polished style compared with Campbell.

    And once again, I'm not against Cuaron, I'm just finding it very strange that Amazon and the producers have supposedly latched on to this one director, a guy who hasn't shot a feature for almost a decade, whose last film was a beautifully shot, yet narratively dull soap opera; whose last project was a narratively messy limited series for Apple.

    They're launching a whole new era of Bond films, and I expect(ed) they'll be interviewing a wide variety of talented directors and not hitching their ride onto one person (without investigating the talent that's out there).[/quote]

    Agree on all your points here. Campbell may lack the polish but his strength's though, come from his heroic storytelling beats as seen in Zorro, GE and CR. I'm hoping they can reinvent Bond in the same way EON themselves did when they made the change from Brosnan to Craig. Meaning they completely scrambled the formula and tropes to come up with a fresh look while still retaining Bond's essential characteristics and of course the Bond sound for the music. I also realize that it might not end up being to my taste, as was the case for Craig's films after CR but I would rather have them roll the dice than fall back and try to recreate TSWLM, GF or other previous Bond films.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I've always dreamt of a Nicolas Winding Refn directed Bond film, although I'm sure I'm pretty much alone in that. ;-)

    Oh, no. You're not alone. I believe he turned down Spectre. His visual style and general style is quite different for Bond. But if he directed Spectre, it would have been a very unique Bond film. Plus, it would have been a standalone Bond film like Skyfall.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Yeah, speaking of Refn visual style, this video never fails to get a chuckle out of me.

  • peterpeter Toronto
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    delfloria wrote: »

    I'd say Cuaron has a far more distinctive and polished style compared with Campbell.

    And once again, I'm not against Cuaron, I'm just finding it very strange that Amazon and the producers have supposedly latched on to this one director, a guy who hasn't shot a feature for almost a decade, whose last film was a beautifully shot, yet narratively dull soap opera; whose last project was a narratively messy limited series for Apple.

    They're launching a whole new era of Bond films, and I expect(ed) they'll be interviewing a wide variety of talented directors and not hitching their ride onto one person (without investigating the talent that's out there).

    Agree on all your points here. Campbell may lack the polish but his strength's though, come from his heroic storytelling beats as seen in Zorro, GE and CR. I'm hoping they can reinvent Bond in the same way EON themselves did when they made the change from Brosnan to Craig. Meaning they completely scrambled the formula and tropes to come up with a fresh look while still retaining Bond's essential characteristics and of course the Bond sound for the music. I also realize that it might not end up being to my taste, as was the case for Craig's films after CR but I would rather have them roll the dice than fall back and try to recreate TSWLM, GF or other previous Bond films. [/quote]

    That's an excellent point about Campbell and how he taps into heroic beats of his action films...He's a great craftsman at layering and escalating these beats (one need look no further than Bond chasing the bombmaker in CR, just wonderful and exhilarating and an example of how to build a beginning, middle and an end in an action sequence, with each one being another ascending step (there are no flat-lines)).
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Something that I find so exciting about this times we are in is that we're facing an entirely clean slate, and the sky truly is the limit. Whatever comes will be taken on its own terms. Looking back, Star Wars without Lucas or Indiana Jones without Speilberg were never going to entirely live up to or quite feel the same as the originals. No matter how hard they tried you would always see the seams, where things just didn't quite seem right. Han wouldn't have said that, or Luke would never have done that, or speilberg wouldn't have shot that chase scene that like that. The great thing about Bond 26 is its not the continuation of an ongoing story, EONs Bond died in the last film. Ofcourse, there's still a few cinematic tropes we hope aren't messed with, like the gunbarrel or the theme, and Fleming has to be at the core. But within that, there's so much room for imagination and it's just very exciting to think what could lay ahead, like a new frontier.
  • Posts: 1,980
    Something that I find so exciting about this times we are in is that we're facing an entirely clean slate, and the sky truly is the limit. Whatever comes will be taken on its own terms. Looking back, Star Wars without Lucas or Indiana Jones without Speilberg were never going to entirely live up to or quite feel the same as the originals. No matter how hard they tried you would always see the seams, where things just didn't quite seem right. Han wouldn't have said that, or Luke would never have done that, or speilberg wouldn't have shot that chase scene that like that. The great thing about Bond 26 is its not the continuation of an ongoing story, EONs Bond died in the last film. Ofcourse, there's still a few cinematic tropes we hope aren't messed with, like the gunbarrel or the theme, and Fleming has to be at the core. But within that, there's so much room for imagination and it's just very exciting to think what could lay ahead, like a new frontier.

    Yes, it is a new frontier. Bond could be as different as Downey jr. was to Rathbone.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    If that Sun article from a while ago is to be believed Amazon want to fast track Bond 26, and their plan is to finish filming by the end of 2026, it was also reported that they have already started work on a script, and at cinemacon they said that Heyman and Pascal are in the UK and have begun development. I wonder how long until things begin to take shape?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    The Sun articles are almost never to be believed.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    Something that I find so exciting about this times we are in is that we're facing an entirely clean slate, and the sky truly is the limit. Whatever comes will be taken on its own terms. Looking back, Star Wars without Lucas or Indiana Jones without Speilberg were never going to entirely live up to or quite feel the same as the originals. No matter how hard they tried you would always see the seams, where things just didn't quite seem right. Han wouldn't have said that, or Luke would never have done that, or speilberg wouldn't have shot that chase scene that like that. The great thing about Bond 26 is its not the continuation of an ongoing story, EONs Bond died in the last film. Ofcourse, there's still a few cinematic tropes we hope aren't messed with, like the gunbarrel or the theme, and Fleming has to be at the core. But within that, there's so much room for imagination and it's just very exciting to think what could lay ahead, like a new frontier.

    Plus, Bond is just such an old franchise and has been so many different things already that really unless they really throw everything overboard at once, there's nothing they could tinker with that hasn't been already tinkered with by someone at some point. Maybe some of them not to great effect, but they've already screwed with the gunbarrels; they've done the music all kinds of ways; they've done continuity and aggressive non-continuity; etc. etc. etc.
    It really is interesting how the general imagination is that a Bond film is always the same while in reality for pretty much every part of the formula there's an "well, except for the times they didn't do it that way".

    That's why it's the best franchise, in a way. Mission Impossible has done better films in the 21st century, but they have no plan past Cruise while Bond has done the actor change loads of times now. Marvel is making more money, but they've tied themselves in knots with their own mythology and it feels impossible to just sit down and watch one of their films without hours of homework before and after. Bourne has no legs anymore, is being shopped around for a new studio possibly without Damon which leads to the same problem as MI with their attempt to transfer to Jeremy Renner as the new lead failing. We'll see how Ballerina does, but I'd say the smart money is on there not being a John Wick: Chapter 25 in 2074.
    Bond? Yeah, there's people who can't grasp that code name theory isn't a thing and handwringing about how it's going to return after NTTD, but I've never been worried about that. They'll pop up and say "This guy is playing James Bond now. Here's an adventure he went on" and everyone will sit down and watch it...
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    I do wonder if/how long it takes Amazon to find Eon's archive and what they'll do with it
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Not sure if he's been mentioned before, but Sam Hargrave would fit the Bond director bill perfectly. Relatively young with two highly rated action thrillers under his belt. unpretentious no nonsense direction with incredibly inventive action sequences. Also experienced in stuntwork.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Not sure if he's been mentioned before, but Sam Hargrave would fit the Bond director bill perfectly. Relatively young with two highly rated action thrillers under his belt. unpretentious no nonsense direction with incredibly inventive action sequences. Also experienced in stuntwork.

    Absolutely, he has been mentioned and I am a big fan.
    He obviously knows action but I think he is really honing his skills and becoming a well rounded director.
    I can see him directing the next actor’ “ Thunderball “
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Maybe better for second unit though.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    mtm wrote: »
    Maybe better for second unit though.

    No, as the Director
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    mtm wrote: »
    Maybe better for second unit though.

    Yeah. I agree. I know James Bond is action-packed. But a full action director directing Bond, doesn't really excite me. Because he could just make it a standard action film, with lots of action scenes, but no "Wow" moments that Bond needs in action. Drama and thriller directors who take their time to create mood, tension, atmosphere and suspense, have a better chance at creating unusual and exciting action scenes.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    mtm wrote: »
    Maybe better for second unit though.

    Yeah. I agree. I know James Bond is action-packed. But a full action director directing Bond, doesn't really excite me. Because he could just make it a standard action film, with lots of action scenes, but no "Wow" moments that Bond needs in action. Drama and thriller directors who take their time to create mood, tension, atmosphere and suspense, have a better chance at creating unusual and exciting action scenes.

    Yeah exactly. I enjoyed Extraction but as I recall they were long action scenes really, and the directors of Bond films traditionally don't even handle those bits. I don't recall anything in the non-action parts of Extraction which seemed to make him suitable for Bond, which is much more than just action. But he is very good at action, so maybe second unit.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Maybe better for second unit though.

    Yeah. I agree. I know James Bond is action-packed. But a full action director directing Bond, doesn't really excite me. Because he could just make it a standard action film, with lots of action scenes, but no "Wow" moments that Bond needs in action. Drama and thriller directors who take their time to create mood, tension, atmosphere and suspense, have a better chance at creating unusual and exciting action scenes.

    Yeah exactly. I enjoyed Extraction but as I recall they were long action scenes really, and the directors of Bond films traditionally don't even handle those bits. I don't recall anything in the non-action parts of Extraction which seemed to make him suitable for Bond, which is much more than just action. But he is very good at action, so maybe second unit.

    Now he's honing his directing skills, i doubt if he would revert to doing second unit.

    Personally i think he could handle the hugeness of a Bond production. John Glen started out as second unit and like him or not, made some great Bond films..
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Maybe better for second unit though.

    Yeah. I agree. I know James Bond is action-packed. But a full action director directing Bond, doesn't really excite me. Because he could just make it a standard action film, with lots of action scenes, but no "Wow" moments that Bond needs in action. Drama and thriller directors who take their time to create mood, tension, atmosphere and suspense, have a better chance at creating unusual and exciting action scenes.

    Yeah exactly. I enjoyed Extraction but as I recall they were long action scenes really, and the directors of Bond films traditionally don't even handle those bits. I don't recall anything in the non-action parts of Extraction which seemed to make him suitable for Bond, which is much more than just action. But he is very good at action, so maybe second unit.

    Now he's honing his directing skills, i doubt if he would revert to doing second unit.

    Probably not, but Bond doesn't need an action film director and has never really picked one, so better to get someone else.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Maybe better for second unit though.

    Yeah. I agree. I know James Bond is action-packed. But a full action director directing Bond, doesn't really excite me. Because he could just make it a standard action film, with lots of action scenes, but no "Wow" moments that Bond needs in action. Drama and thriller directors who take their time to create mood, tension, atmosphere and suspense, have a better chance at creating unusual and exciting action scenes.

    Yeah exactly. I enjoyed Extraction but as I recall they were long action scenes really, and the directors of Bond films traditionally don't even handle those bits. I don't recall anything in the non-action parts of Extraction which seemed to make him suitable for Bond, which is much more than just action. But he is very good at action, so maybe second unit.

    Now he's honing his directing skills, i doubt if he would revert to doing second unit.

    Probably not, but Bond doesn't need an action film director and has never really picked one, so better to get someone else.

    Cuaron it is then. :D
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Maybe better for second unit though.

    Yeah. I agree. I know James Bond is action-packed. But a full action director directing Bond, doesn't really excite me. Because he could just make it a standard action film, with lots of action scenes, but no "Wow" moments that Bond needs in action. Drama and thriller directors who take their time to create mood, tension, atmosphere and suspense, have a better chance at creating unusual and exciting action scenes.

    Yeah exactly. I enjoyed Extraction but as I recall they were long action scenes really, and the directors of Bond films traditionally don't even handle those bits. I don't recall anything in the non-action parts of Extraction which seemed to make him suitable for Bond, which is much more than just action. But he is very good at action, so maybe second unit.

    Now he's honing his directing skills, i doubt if he would revert to doing second unit.

    Personally i think he could handle the hugeness of a Bond production. John Glen started out as second unit and like him or not, made some great Bond films..

    “Great” is a bit much.

    I don’t even think Glen was a good second unit or main director. When the action was helmed by Arthur Wooster you did get some amazing action sequences. But when Glen is behind the camera it’s horribly awkward.








    John Glen is such a low bar for Bond that we should never go back to.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Maybe better for second unit though.

    Yeah. I agree. I know James Bond is action-packed. But a full action director directing Bond, doesn't really excite me. Because he could just make it a standard action film, with lots of action scenes, but no "Wow" moments that Bond needs in action. Drama and thriller directors who take their time to create mood, tension, atmosphere and suspense, have a better chance at creating unusual and exciting action scenes.

    Yeah exactly. I enjoyed Extraction but as I recall they were long action scenes really, and the directors of Bond films traditionally don't even handle those bits. I don't recall anything in the non-action parts of Extraction which seemed to make him suitable for Bond, which is much more than just action. But he is very good at action, so maybe second unit.

    Now he's honing his directing skills, i doubt if he would revert to doing second unit.

    Personally i think he could handle the hugeness of a Bond production. John Glen started out as second unit and like him or not, made some great Bond films..

    “Great” is a bit much.

    I don’t even think Glen was a good second unit or main director. When the action was helmed by Arthur Wooster you did get some amazing action sequences. But when Glen is behind the camera it’s horribly awkward.








    John Glen is such a low bar for Bond that we should never go back to.

    Daylights is one of my favourites. But that's just me...
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    TLD is as good as it gets in spite of Glen. But man do I wish Dalton got to play Bond with a different director. After AVTAK I would have fired Glen.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    TLD is as good as it gets in spite of Glen. But man do I wish Dalton got to play Bond with a different director. After AVTAK I would have fired Glen.

    Personally I thought LTK was the time for a new director, mainly because of the radical change from the norm with that film.
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