EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards

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  • edited February 21 Posts: 4,628
    For what it’s worth, the last four years of Bond have taught me none of us truly know what we’re talking about when all’s said and done about the future of this franchise. None of us can 100% predict the future even if minor details are right with hindsight (and yes, unfortunately that includes people clued up and even knowledgable on film/this franchise). At the end of the day these decisions are being made by people so far removed from us and none of us will truly know the context to why such decisions were made. Hell, the story of what happened here alone will probably take years to fully come out.

    Personally, I’m expecting some surprise with the next film, regardless of whether that’s a shockingly generic movie, or one that even exceeds expectations (or indeed is worse than any of us can imagine).
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited February 21 Posts: 3,220
    Still gobsmacked. Like some others, I really didn't think that Barbara Broccoli would just surrender and hand it over. Still taken aback that she did, billion dollars or not. I'm also with those on here who suspect/fear that we're now facing a torrent of production-line spin-offs, cash-ins, dilutions and misfires. At the moment, I don't have any optimism about the future of Bond at all.
    Maybe that'll change over time. Maybe Amazon will surprise us and nail it right off the bat. I said that if I didn't like whoever was cast as the new Bond, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt until I'd seen the actual film, so I should do the same with Amazon, right? This feels different, though. There's an air of bad faith about this whole thing - it feels less like a business deal between equals and more like a hostile takeover where Amazon have won and EON have very definitely lost. It's going to be hard to fully embrace BezosBond with the taint of that hanging over it.
  • edited February 21 Posts: 6,754
    007HallY wrote: »
    For what it’s worth, the last four years of Bond have taught me none of us truly know what we’re talking about when all’s said and done about the future of this franchise. None of us can 100% predict the future even if minor details are right with hindsight (and yes, unfortunately that includes people clued up and even knowledgable on film/this franchise). At the end of the day these decisions are being made by people so far removed from us and none of us will truly know the context to why such decisions were made. Hell, the story of what happened here alone will probably take years to fully come out.

    Personally, I’m expecting some surprise with the next film, regardless of whether that’s a shockingly generic movie, or one that even exceeds expectations (or indeed is worse than any of us can imagine).

    I wholeheartedly agree, my friend. The world and its future are uncertain, so is James Bond's. But, as the man said, "Hope springs eternal".

    I just hope they focus on the man, and not on the "team" and put him with earplugs and interchangeable dialog all the time. The one man on a mission alone is what drew me in to the Bondverse. Oh, my, will there be a Bondverse now? ;) lol, let's hope not. Just focus on the man, Amazon!
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
    edited February 21 Posts: 749
    James Bond Will Return, but it won’t be Cubby Broccolis. NTTD truly was the last time we will see that incarnation, Craig or not.

    Technically DAD was the last time we saw Cubby's Bond, since Brosnan was his hire, though overall I feel like I haven't seen an actual Bond movie since QOS.
  • Posts: 6,754
    slide_99 wrote: »
    James Bond Will Return, but it won’t be Cubby Broccolis. NTTD truly was the last time we will see that incarnation, Craig or not.

    Technically DAD was the last time we saw Cubby's Bond, since Brosnan was his hire, though overall I feel like I haven't seen an actual Bond movie since QOS.

    I love Skyfall, but I do understand what you mean. For me, NTTD was as low of a point as DAD was.
  • edited February 21 Posts: 443
    The Guardian claim Amazon paid over 1 billion dollars to gain creative control.
    Amazon has paid more than $1bn for “creative control” of the James Bond franchise, the Guardian understands, in a deal that has met with a mixed response from stars of the films.

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2025/feb/21/stars-shaken-stirred-amazon-deal-james-bond

    I'm assuming Amazon didn't expect to pay this amount of money to co produce Bond films! Amazon paid over 8 million dollars to purchase MGM and that included the 50 percent share in the franchise and other IPs and the back catalogue.

    It's easy to be cynical and say Eon played Amazon for suckers. By Eon stalling on making Bond 26 due to creative differences, Eon could name their price to give up control.

    My guess is Eon saw the vast dollar amount and said "okay! Bond's all yours, Amazon!" If the over one billion dollars figure is accurate and it goes straight to Eon and not into producing new Eon films or some locked savings account, that makes Barbara Broccoli close to a billionaire. He wealth was estimated to be 400 million. If the Amazon figure was around or over a billion, she may have around 500 million and MG Wilson the other 500 million. That makes her net worth 900 million dollars!

    I don't want to be too harsh but money rules this world so for all this stuff about her wanting to protect the Bond legacy, I'm assuming that was bullsh*t. The reality was "take the cash and run."
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    bondywondy wrote: »
    I don't want to be too harsh but money rules this world so for all this stuff about want to protect the Bond legacy.. . I'm assuming that was bullsh*t.

    Frankly, that's the bit that hurts more, isn't it?
  • edited February 21 Posts: 443
    Univex wrote: »
    bondywondy wrote: »
    I don't want to be too harsh but money rules this world so for all this stuff about want to protect the Bond legacy.. . I'm assuming that was bullsh*t.

    Frankly, that's the bit that hurts more, isn't it?

    I guess so but money talks loudest. If you or I were offered one billion dollars to give up Bond we might say yes. Maybe. It's a huge amount. It's just that Broccoli made a big deal out of protecting Bond.
    Jan 15, 2020

    Variety interview
    “For better or worse, we are the custodians of this character,” says Barbara Broccoli, who oversees the franchise with her half-brother Michael G. Wilson. “We take that responsibility seriously.”

    Well you only took it seriously until Jeff Bezos said "take this billion and give Bond to us!" Seems the responsibility was subject to change. 🤭

    It's possible Broccoli agreed to kill off Bond as the means to get to this deal. Craig said "I'm never coming back" so they decided to kill off Bond. That automatically led to franchise limbo. No clear direction forward. Maybe if Amazon hadn't bought MGM she would have sold Eon's stake because it was reported she didn't want to produce Bond without MG Wilson and he was retiring after NTTD. My guess is she decided to kill off Bond with no intention of recasting the role. Had MGM remained unsold she was going to sell up anyway? I guess so. I'm sure buyers - be it a studio or a private equity company - would have been interested in going into a partnership with MGM.

    The Amazon acquisition was probably Eon's best way out. A stroke of good fortune. Amazon have effectively paid 8 billion to get 50 percent of Bond in 2022 and 1 billion more to get Eon's share in 2025. Eon retain 50 percent intellectual property rights which is meaningless in reality. Other than a court recognising Eon retain 50 percent intellectual rights it is meaningless. Unless they retain some power of veto - and the press release doesn't suggest they do - their rights to the franchise amount to nothing. Amazon haven't spend one billion dollars to let Eon interfere. If Amazon were to cast an American actor as Bond (with or without a British accent,) can Eon veto that casting? Based on the press release information, no. Eon retain their share but their power of veto was traded for one billion dollars! The art of the deal indeed.

  • "Therefore, Barbara and I agree, it is time for our trusted partner, Amazon MGM Studios, to lead James Bond into the future."

    Hopefully this means they agreed on certain things for the future.
  • edited February 21 Posts: 6,754
    It just means they are the diplomatic liars they have to be. It’s just how it’s done, unfortunately.

    And frankly, if I was already a millionaire, with a network of 400m+, I’d say no to THAT billion, yes, I would, for love no less. Because madness still exists in the name of love, and it’s as close to being lucid as one can get, paradoxically.
  • Posts: 2,127
    They love gold. They love only gold. Only gold. They love gold.
    I suppose that's one way to look at it. Everyone and everything has its price.

    I am disappointed as I feel something has been lost. But then billionaires can have anything they want and control whatever they desire. In some sense, no Bond story can be more fantastic than what is happening now. Oh, well.

  • meshypushymeshypushy Ireland
    Posts: 155
    If I was Amazon and had just paid the rumoured amount to get creative control of Bond, I would pay whatever the hell it took to get Will Smith out of his Apple contract. I can’t think of anyone else that I would trust more to steer the ship going forwards.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,299
    It's really hard to be too down when, after over 3 years of nothing happening, we might get a new Bond movie within the next 2 years, possible Casting within the next 6 to 12 months. Exciting times are ahead finally.

    It’s hard to be excited about that when none of the creatives of the last 60 years will be involved. Seeing Bezos post online asking who people would like to see as Bond is not as interesting as the Broccolis making deals behind closed doors, picking actors based on pure gut instincts. Connery and Craig didn’t win the part because of a focus group or algorithm, they were hand picked by a producer who saw their worth.

    The casting of Bond has become even less interesting with Amazon in charge.
  • edited February 21 Posts: 185
    It's really hard to be too down when, after over 3 years of nothing happening, we might get a new Bond movie within the next 2 years, possible Casting within the next 6 to 12 months. Exciting times are ahead finally.

    It’s hard to be excited about that when none of the creatives of the last 60 years will be involved. Seeing Bezos post online asking who people would like to see as Bond is not as interesting as the Broccolis making deals behind closed doors, picking actors based on pure gut instincts. Connery and Craig didn’t win the part because of a focus group or algorithm, they were hand picked by a producer who saw their worth.

    The casting of Bond has become even less interesting with Amazon in charge.

    Maybe he is just trying to reach out to the fans and seeing what they want vs a private hand picked decision remember at EON there was no "democracy".
  • Posts: 1,615
    It's really hard to be too down when, after over 3 years of nothing happening, we might get a new Bond movie within the next 2 years, possible Casting within the next 6 to 12 months. Exciting times are ahead finally.

    It’s hard to be excited about that when none of the creatives of the last 60 years will be involved. Seeing Bezos post online asking who people would like to see as Bond is not as interesting as the Broccolis making deals behind closed doors, picking actors based on pure gut instincts. Connery and Craig didn’t win the part because of a focus group or algorithm, they were hand picked by a producer who saw their worth.

    The casting of Bond has become even less interesting with Amazon in charge.

    Maybe he is just trying to reach out the fans and seeing what they want vs a private hand pitched decision remember at EON there was no "democracy".

    It's called advertising. Nothing wrong with it.
  • Posts: 185
    It's really hard to be too down when, after over 3 years of nothing happening, we might get a new Bond movie within the next 2 years, possible Casting within the next 6 to 12 months. Exciting times are ahead finally.

    It’s hard to be excited about that when none of the creatives of the last 60 years will be involved. Seeing Bezos post online asking who people would like to see as Bond is not as interesting as the Broccolis making deals behind closed doors, picking actors based on pure gut instincts. Connery and Craig didn’t win the part because of a focus group or algorithm, they were hand picked by a producer who saw their worth.

    The casting of Bond has become even less interesting with Amazon in charge.

    Maybe he is just trying to reach out the fans and seeing what they want vs a private hand pitched decision remember at EON there was no "democracy".

    It's called advertising. Nothing wrong with it.
    It's really hard to be too down when, after over 3 years of nothing happening, we might get a new Bond movie within the next 2 years, possible Casting within the next 6 to 12 months. Exciting times are ahead finally.

    It’s hard to be excited about that when none of the creatives of the last 60 years will be involved. Seeing Bezos post online asking who people would like to see as Bond is not as interesting as the Broccolis making deals behind closed doors, picking actors based on pure gut instincts. Connery and Craig didn’t win the part because of a focus group or algorithm, they were hand picked by a producer who saw their worth.

    The casting of Bond has become even less interesting with Amazon in charge.

    Maybe he is just trying to reach out the fans and seeing what they want vs a private hand pitched decision remember at EON there was no "democracy".

    It's called advertising. Nothing wrong with it.

    Well that too
  • James_StJohnSmytheJames_StJohnSmythe Twitter: @J_StJS /// https://www.instagram.com/james_st_john_smythe/
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    Are there any clues yet as to what this joint venture between Amazon MGM and EON will be called? Is there some kind of directory or something similar?
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,299
    It's really hard to be too down when, after over 3 years of nothing happening, we might get a new Bond movie within the next 2 years, possible Casting within the next 6 to 12 months. Exciting times are ahead finally.

    It’s hard to be excited about that when none of the creatives of the last 60 years will be involved. Seeing Bezos post online asking who people would like to see as Bond is not as interesting as the Broccolis making deals behind closed doors, picking actors based on pure gut instincts. Connery and Craig didn’t win the part because of a focus group or algorithm, they were hand picked by a producer who saw their worth.

    The casting of Bond has become even less interesting with Amazon in charge.

    Maybe he is just trying to reach out to the fans and seeing what they want vs a private hand picked decision remember at EON there was no "democracy".

    Screw that. If Eon left it to the fans we would have never gotten Craig.
  • ArapahoeBondFanArapahoeBondFan Colorado
    Posts: 87
    It's really hard to be too down when, after over 3 years of nothing happening, we might get a new Bond movie within the next 2 years, possible Casting within the next 6 to 12 months. Exciting times are ahead finally.

    It’s hard to be excited about that when none of the creatives of the last 60 years will be involved. Seeing Bezos post online asking who people would like to see as Bond is not as interesting as the Broccolis making deals behind closed doors, picking actors based on pure gut instincts. Connery and Craig didn’t win the part because of a focus group or algorithm, they were hand picked by a producer who saw their worth.

    The casting of Bond has become even less interesting with Amazon in charge.

    Was this recent?
  • Posts: 632
    Emerging after a long sleep to comment that I am saddened, but not surprised, but also to say that the world moves on, and it will leave me behind, and that is ok.

    The James Bond character goes out of copyright in 2035 or thereabouts. Amazon thus have ten years to maximise ROI. It will become harder for them afterwards, because they will be competing against other JBs. They have a decade of monopoly. So I think we will see huge amounts of 007 product for the next ten years.
  • Posts: 2,035
    I think some people are looking way too much into Jeff Bezos tweet. I think it was just him being excited about having creative control over Amazon and was just engaging with the fans. I highly doubt he’s gonna pick based off Twitter‘s reaction lol
  • Posts: 2,035
    bondywondy wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    bondywondy wrote: »
    I don't want to be too harsh but money rules this world so for all this stuff about want to protect the Bond legacy.. . I'm assuming that was bullsh*t.

    Frankly, that's the bit that hurts more, isn't it?

    I guess so but money talks loudest. If you or I were offered one billion dollars to give up Bond we might say yes. Maybe. It's a huge amount. It's just that Broccoli made a big deal out of protecting Bond.
    Jan 15, 2020

    Variety interview
    “For better or worse, we are the custodians of this character,” says Barbara Broccoli, who oversees the franchise with her half-brother Michael G. Wilson. “We take that responsibility seriously.”
    The Amazon acquisition was probably Eon's best way out. A stroke of good fortune. Amazon have effectively paid 8 billion to get 50 percent of Bond in 2022 and 1 billion more to get Eon's share in 2025. Eon retain 50 percent intellectual property rights which is meaningless in reality. Other than a court recognising Eon retain 50 percent intellectual rights it is meaningless. Unless they retain some power of veto - and the press release doesn't suggest they do - their rights to the franchise amount to nothing. Amazon haven't spend one billion dollars to let Eon interfere. If Amazon were to cast an American actor as Bond (with or without a British accent,) can Eon veto that casting? Based on the press release information, no. Eon retain their share but their power of veto was traded for one billion dollars! The art of the deal indeed.

    Other than the extra billion dollars that Barbara got, if I were to guess three things had to be agreed to before she released creative control to Amazon

    1. The Bond movies must always be released in theaters.
    2. Bond must be British.
    3. And Bond must be male.

    As long as Amazon sticks to those three things I don’t think she cares about what else they do.
  • Posts: 7,082
    I don't know what the future holds for the James Bond films, but no matter what, I count on and look forward to whatever non-007 projects people like Barbara Broccoli and Daniel Craig take on, separately or together (Othello?). I know the creative and artistic spirit of the EON James Bond films will live on with them. Knowing they'll still be around is actually a great comfort in this new uncertainty.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,674
    My biggest hope is that Amazon keep the most valueable people behind the camera onboard and they keep filming at Pinewood.

    The last thing they want to do is alienate the hardcore fans by breaking away from what Bond is and starting completely fresh
  • Posts: 2,941
    The New Yorker has already commented:

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  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    Posts: 575
    CrabKey wrote: »
    They love gold. They love only gold. Only gold. They love gold.
    I suppose that's one way to look at it. Everyone and everything has its price.

    I am disappointed as I feel something has been lost. But then billionaires can have anything they want and control whatever they desire. In some sense, no Bond story can be more fantastic than what is happening now. Oh, well.

    I like how nobody cared about Billionaires until two seconds ago, and its only a problem now because Elon Musk has made a public foray into politics.
  • CrabKey wrote: »
    They love gold. They love only gold. Only gold. They love gold.
    I suppose that's one way to look at it. Everyone and everything has its price.

    I am disappointed as I feel something has been lost. But then billionaires can have anything they want and control whatever they desire. In some sense, no Bond story can be more fantastic than what is happening now. Oh, well.

    I like how nobody cared about Billionaires until two seconds ago, and its only a problem now because Elon Musk has made a public foray into politics.

    In what universe have people never cared about gross economic inequality? You must've been living in a pretty cloudy bubble.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 17,091
    Oh gosh, I just saw the news with yet another of that guy's acolytes performing a Nazi salute, and I think I'm quite happy to have a fun Bond film to take my mind off it please.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,154
    Revelator wrote: »
    The New Yorker has already commented:

    480534675_10236570258540502_3003707724040205823_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_s640x640_tt6&_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=aa7b47&_nc_ohc=3vhHI6oy90AQ7kNvgEvxqFo&_nc_oc=Adi-rKAaPZ7YB_oa46kyz6koQTYHG5K6xhhVhvofRU0Qq2nlaGlOIXN5UJVu26HD_go&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent-sjc3-1.xx&_nc_gid=AgDLVavKIpXikqgSFio03KF&oh=00_AYCsstVmMJyL3K9HQUWrAG10mAd7ScDZ2y6HmWwEdjxfNg&oe=67BE9E7C

    Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. I'm just not sure the New Yorker will be still around in a few years.
  • Posts: 9,903
    Warning this is a long post:

    I still don't know what to say. I honestly don't. I have one voice in my head saying this is silly it's a fictional franchise who cares. then there is another part of me that is still holding back tears every time I am confronted with this news. I can hear my boss in the back of my mind "must be nice to have so few problems you worry about a film franchise" and he is right... I suppose this is a "nice" problem to have. Though it's still upsetting. What's worse is I genuinely don't know what to do or even where to go with my emotions on this.

    Rumor is the Broccoli household is in mourning as well and honestly, I get it. for those who are excited I wish I shared your enthusiasm believe me I genuinely mean that. Though for me its sadness, its anger, its frustration, its depression, its frankly emotions I don't want to deal with.

    The first question I ask myself is who to blame? Is it Harry Saltzman's fault for tying half of Bond to United Artists (and eventually Amazon studios)? Is it Barbara and Michael's Fault? After all they sold it.

    Is it the fans fault? we are a fickle bunch after all.. Maybe she did get tired of the fans well visceral reaction to everything she did over the last 20 years.

    Is it Amazon's fault? I mean could they have enticed her to do more sooner. fund her passion projects in exchange for faster movement on Bond 26.

    Even the wording in the official press release is weird "Amazon MGM Studios, Michael G. Wilson, and Barbara Broccoli today announced that they have formed a new joint venture to house the James Bond intellectual property rights, and those parties will remain co-owners of the franchise."

    What does that mean? are they still producer or not? do they have 0 say some say?

    of course, I am not super close to any hardcore bond fans, so I don't have a shoulder to cry on and honestly Calvin and David's videos kind of made things worse not better.

    We can say this is all about money, but Amazon is a fool if they think they can do better then the family that started it all. Are they that blind to the truth.. are they that blind to facts? Again, if this is all about more product why is Amazon Prime not running James Bond Jr? Why are they not doing Specials? Why are they not filming Q the music Concert and posting those? I mean all of that is content.. is it not?

    And apparently there was a sticking point Babs and Amazon could not agree on... Casting.. the Writers.. the Director...

    MGM and Sony were both smart enough to let the Broccoli's cook for the most part (rumors about Dalton's departure aside) why couldnt Amazon.

    if their heart wasn't in it why are there rumors that eon's offices are in mourning shouldn't they be celebrating?

    Will I ever get answers to any of my questions no I won't. I am not naive enough or self centered enough to think I am owed any kind of explanation I get it.

    The other side of the coin I keep seeing is just how "bad" Michael and Barbara were... No one is perfect apart from a carpenter 2000 years ago (but let's not get into religion) and yeah Michael and Babs made blunders but so did Albert, and Even Albert and Harry. You Only Live Twice, Diamonds Are Forever, and The Man with the Golden Gun were all under the original producers watch and all mistakes in my opinion. For just Albert you have the poor cut and paste job of Moonraker. For Albert and Michael, you have A view to a Kill. And yes for Babs and Michael Die Another Day and the last 2 Craig films weren't great if I am being diplomatic. I enjoy some of it sure (the first 2/3rd of Die another Day, Spectre's PTS and the cuba sequence of No Time to Die) but I can also find things to praise in the previous examples as well. In my opinion whatever iteration of producers, you want to talk about in the official film franchise all of them made great films and well bad films. all had highs and lows.

    There is another complaint that scares me the fact that even the titles won't be exciting anymore. Is Amazon going to give us Fleming titles.. no probably not my guess based on their other literary titles will likely be called just Bond. I can't imagine Amazon having the balls to call a film or show The Hildebrand Rarity or The Garden of Death. and then there is the time period. Casino Royale and Goldeneye both proved Bond works in the modern era. and yet I fear amazon is going to be lazy and put it in the 60's because the focus group says so.


    Though I doubt anyone has made it through my ramblings where does this leave us. Honestly I don't know. I foolishly hoped a good night sleep would give me a fresh perspective. but I am awake and still upset. Amv I embaressed by my knee jerk reactions yesterday about how Bond is dead.. sure of course. but I also don't know what to do.


    Could Amazon pull me in giving me what I want, Modern Era, Fleming Title (Possibly The Hildebrand Rarity), Daltonesque actor as Bond (possibly Cavill or ATJ), Rock theme song, Fleming Plot... of course they could.. But will they and the answer I keep coming back to is ... No

    Would EON's bond 26 have hit all the marks above? Possibly but in my heart of hearts I believe EON would be closer to what I want then Amazon.

    Would Amazon even screen test the way EON did. no probably not.

    Is it over... no its not... but do I personally want to be involved. I don't know. I wish there was someone anyone who could give me even a Quantum of hope instead of either A ignoring my pleas or B making me feel worse as its just a silly movie franchise.

    Above all I want to thank @Benny and the wonderful MI6 staff who have given us a place to dream to wonder to talk and to in some cases cry. I want to thank Ian Fleming and all of EON including the actors past and present for their work over the years

    And while I feel a little better typing this up and posting it I do still feel lost and welcome literally any DMS or feedback beyond the above "advice"

    Thanks
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