EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards

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  • Posts: 2,047
    IMO the best example of a safe Bond movie is Goldeneye. If we get a movie like that then Im all for it.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited 6:03pm Posts: 25,611
    GE felt generic when I first watched it on the big screen they ripped a scene from Die Hard 2 which I growned at, and it was a safe film. GE grew on me over the years and it is IMO one of the best post LTK films. GE sticks to a lot of the Bond formula, a formula that works. I actually think the formula has been lacking in the recent films, Amazon/MGM need to just nail the formula with the first film in the reboot.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited 6:08pm Posts: 8,671
    GE felt generic when I first watched it on the big screen they ripped a scene from Die Hard 2 which I growned at, and it was a safe film. GE grew on me over the years and it is IMO one of the best post LTK films. GE sticks to a lot of the Bond formula, a formula that works. I actually think the formula has been lacking in the recent films, Amazon/MGM need to just nail the formula with the first film in the reboot.
    Finally, someone gets it. =D>

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    I actually think the formula has been lacking in the recent films, Amazon/MGM need to just nail the formula with the first film in the reboot.

    You’re right. The post formula era was actually so effective in getting us against the formula that we stopped talking about it at some point. Thing is, the formula is, perhaps, the way to go now. Personally, I kind of miss it.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Certainly to re establish the character and world of Bond do what worked for decades, get us die hard fans on board.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    edited 6:19pm Posts: 589
    007HallY wrote: »
    Oh dear, this old chestnut again. Look, whatever one's views on this topic are, Bond WILL be depicted as a POC in an officially released product at some point. Some may not like it and that's fine. It doesn't make you a racist, but this is the way things are (slowly) heading. And if it's not the next guy, it'll be the guy after, or the guy after that, but it will happen. So, it's probably a good idea to use this interim period to start getting used to the idea, because, like I said, it will happen eventually.

    At the end of the day, whichever day in the future it may be, Bond shouldn't be a vehicle for false 'emancipatory' (woke) ideas. Bond is a white character with lore et all, just like Shaft has his. No one EVER in the future will even BEGIN to think to make Shaft white instead. That is pure hypocrisy. Somehow some people push for these changes because we 'owe' it to minorities. I stress Bond owes nothing to anyone, Bond is white and should remain so. He isn't there to serve perverse ideological agendas concocted by others who don't care.

    To be fair, Shaft’s skin color is a lot more ingrained to his stories than Bond’s. The closest I can think of Bond’s whiteness actually serving under any context may be LALD where he shows up as the outsider in Harlem, but that’s about as far as his skin color had held relevance to the plot. It’s never relevant otherwise in the conceit of a gentleman spy globetrotting the world.

    Utter and absolute bogus. I'll leave it that. Just wow.

    I’d say it’s a fair point, regardless if you agree or not.

    Ian Fleming would disagree, and Cubby Broccoli, Sean Connery, Yaphet Kotto, Roger Moore etc etc.
    Venutius wrote: »
    Tbf, Eva Green went to Daniel Craig and voiced her misgivings over the shower scene, Dan backed her up and it was shot the way that Dan and Eva wanted it done. It's one of the greatest scenes in the whole series, for me.

    And you blame that on Martin Campbell? Why is he a villain now exactly?
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Tbf, Eva Green went to Daniel Craig and voiced her misgivings over the shower scene, Dan backed her up and it was shot the way that Dan and Eva wanted it done. It's one of the greatest scenes in the whole series, for me.

    And you blame that on Martin Campbell? Why is he a villain now exactly?
  • buddyoldchapbuddyoldchap Formerly known as JeremyBondon
    Posts: 259
    Hey Amazon, want some success and do something cool? Cold War Bond trilogy starring Aidan Turner.
  • edited 6:24pm Posts: 3,343
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    IMO the best example of a safe Bond movie is Goldeneye. If we get a movie like that then Im all for it.

    I think its safe to say the first new Amazon Bond film will be extremely safe. It will be damage control central, as the world will hold its breath when the film is released, with audiences and critics alike judging to make sure they haven't screwed up a 70 year old legacy, and Amazon haven't gambled and pissed away 9 billion dollars. They will only really get one clear shot at this, before public confidence dwindles.

    In which case it will be a safe choice casting, an action director, a script that incorporates unused Fleming, and a film that is very much in the mould of the past 3 debuts - TLD/GE/CR. We may even get my dream team of Oasis performing the new song.

    I'm far more excited at this prospect, than an EON led film, slowly dragging its heels, to be released in 5 years time, with a controversial Bond lead casting, more of the same `script by committee' confused garbage we saw in SP and NTTD, discarded Fleming scenes, directed by another pretentious arthouse director, and made by 2 weary stale producers whose heart isn't in it anymore. Oh yes, and another terrible title song in a similar vein to DAD, QoS, SP or NTTD - which all fell under Barbara's watch.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited 6:25pm Posts: 25,611
    Bring David Arnold back Amazon... (Just listening to TWINE score)
  • Posts: 6,776
    Bring David Arnold back Amazon... (Just listening to TWINE score)
    Yes, please. That’d be the best news!
  • edited 6:27pm Posts: 457
    From the Daily Mail;
    A source who's worked on Bond for decades told me: 'Everyone is devastated. No one thought Bond, the quintessential British hero, would end up in the hands of [Amazon boss] Jeff Bezos.

    'Bezos is like a real-life Bond villain, and now the future of one of the most iconic characters in British cinema history is at his mercy.

    'Everyone is making jokes about what the first Bond film under Bezos will be called. Are we going to have 'Dr No Password Sharing'?'

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  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Bond will go back to the Amazon in the next film. He'll receive a care package from Q via Prime Delivery drone.

    Sign up to Amazon Prime today.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Univex wrote: »
    Bring David Arnold back Amazon... (Just listening to TWINE score)
    Yes, please. That’d be the best news!

    After a long hiatus I suspect Arnold would have some pretty good Bond material in his locker so to speak, an Arnold return would be universally welcomed.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited 6:39pm Posts: 2,290
    Yeah, I think Amazon would look at past Bond composers. I don't think they're that naive, even if they need all the Bondian help they can get. They brought Howard Shore to compose the opening of their LOTR series. Then they hired Bear McCreary for the full score, because of his history with historical series. So maybe Amazon might look at Arnold, Newman & Zimmer, then pick one.
  • Posts: 6,776
    Univex wrote: »
    Bring David Arnold back Amazon... (Just listening to TWINE score)
    Yes, please. That’d be the best news!

    After a long hiatus I suspect Arnold would have some pretty good Bond material in his locker so to speak, an Arnold return would be universally welcomed.
    Yeah, I think Amazon would look at past Bond composers. I don't think they're that naive, even if they need all the Bondian help they can get. They brought Howard Shore to compose the opening of their LOTR series. Then they hired Bear McCreary for the full score, because of his history with historical series. So maybe Amazon might look at Arnold, Newman & Zimmer, then pick one.

    Still the best piece of Bond music I’ve heard in these last years:



    AMAZON, this is the Bond sound!
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Bring David Arnold back Amazon... (Just listening to TWINE score)

    Given modern scoring, we’ll probably get Lorne Balfe.
  • edited 6:46pm Posts: 457
    Some more juicy stuff (most reported before) from the Daily Mail..
    One friend of Ms Broccoli said: 'Barbara had meetings in her offices at Pinewood Studios [where Bond is filmed when not on location] and she met Aaron and others. But there was never a story, script or director so any meetings were very much her seeing what talent is out there. It was clear to many of us who worked on previous Bond films that things were in crisis, nothing was moving forward. It went into death spiral mode once Amazon bought MGM and control of the Bond library.'

    The Wall Street Journal claimed Ms Broccoli slammed Amazon executives as 'f****** idiots' for describing Bond as 'content', a modern term referring to digital information and entertainment, which she felt demeaned the historical legacy of the character.

    She railed against Amazon's plans to create a 'Bond universe' similar to the Marvel universe with its dozens of superhero movies and spin-offs. Ms Broccoli cited the sale of Lucasfilm, the company started by director George Lucas, to the Walt Disney Company for $4 billion in 2012 as an example of what could go wrong when a beloved brand is taken over by Hollywood executives focused on the bottom line rather than the long-term future of a franchise.

    'Disney took Star Wars and diluted it with endless TV series and characters that bore no resemblance to the original stories and characters fans loved,' a former Disney executive said. 'Look what happened to Doctor Who. Hollywood took control of that and you've had increasingly woke storylines which alienated fans.'

    Yet Amazon executives reportedly grew tired of Ms Broccoli's pushbacks and her habit of quoting her father, who had said: 'Don't have temporary people making permanent decisions.'

    The situation was at an impasse until earlier this month when Amazon made the family 'an offer they couldn't refuse'. The friend said: 'In Barbara and Michael's minds, they created a legacy to stand alongside the films their father made which will be considered the golden era of Bond.

    'But it's futile to push back against change. Hollywood has gone from a town dominated by powerful producers to a place where streamers like Amazon and Netflix rule.

    'Amazon will monetise the hell out of Bond. They have millions of customers they can sell Bond-related content and products to.'

    If this is accurate it suggests Broccoli wanted to continue? I guess so. The article doesn't seem to explain why Eon never had any script or rough outline ready before or when Amazon bought MGM.

    Something feels fishy. Can you imagine Cubby Broccoli waiting five years to recast Bond/make the next Bond film when Sean Connery quit in 1967?

    I can't. He went straight on to OHMSS. No five year gap! No delay at all.

    The long gap of zero development by Eon isn't completely due to Amazon bullying or pressuring Eon to move ahead. I don't believe that. It's clear Eon were stalling movement on Bond 26. It's easy to be too cynical and assume the worst in people, particularly rich film producers and even richer Amazon type CEOs, but my guess is Barbara Broccoli did have an exit strategy prepared. Stall Bond 26 for as long as possible then bail on the franchise with a big pay out from Amazon. That would make financial sense, right?

    I guess we'll never know if Barbara Broccoli was genuinely committed to making more Bond films or if she had decided to quit.

  • Posts: 2,047
    Arnold is the obvs choice to bring back for Amazon first Bond film.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    Posts: 25,611
    Univex wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    Bring David Arnold back Amazon... (Just listening to TWINE score)
    Yes, please. That’d be the best news!

    After a long hiatus I suspect Arnold would have some pretty good Bond material in his locker so to speak, an Arnold return would be universally welcomed.
    Yeah, I think Amazon would look at past Bond composers. I don't think they're that naive, even if they need all the Bondian help they can get. They brought Howard Shore to compose the opening of their LOTR series. Then they hired Bear McCreary for the full score, because of his history with historical series. So maybe Amazon might look at Arnold, Newman & Zimmer, then pick one.

    Still the best piece of Bond music I’ve heard in these last years:



    AMAZON, this is the Bond sound!

    Pretty good who composed this, on my mobile phone. Sounds a bit like Michael Giacchino Incredibles score which I love, there is a great Bond homage sequence in The Incredibles.
    Bring David Arnold back Amazon... (Just listening to TWINE score)

    Given modern scoring, we’ll probably get Lorne Balfe.

    A fair point though I do like Lorne Balfe work I have a few of his film scores, he is one of the best composers currently.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited 6:55pm Posts: 8,312
    bondywondy wrote: »
    Something feels fishy. Can you imagine Cubby Broccoli waiting five years to recast Bond/make the next Bond film when Sean Connery quit in 1967?

    I can't. He went straight on to OHMSS. No five year gap! No delay at all.

    You conveniently left out the part where Cubby briefly put Danjaq on sale in the early 90s after the low box office of LTK and the legal wrangling going on between Eon and MGM. This was before Michael and Barbara convinced their father that they could take over and do GE. The difference this time was that with Michael retiring, Barbara either had no one able or willing to step up as her producing partner, so that was the end of the family business.
    A fair point though I do like Lorne Balfe work I have a few of his film scores, he is one of the best composers currently.

    I say it more with dread. I haven’t liked any of Balfe’s work.
  • Posts: 2,047
    I know it wont happen now but I always wanted to know what a John Williams Bond score would have sounded like.
  • Posts: 6,776
    Univex wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    Bring David Arnold back Amazon... (Just listening to TWINE score)
    Yes, please. That’d be the best news!

    After a long hiatus I suspect Arnold would have some pretty good Bond material in his locker so to speak, an Arnold return would be universally welcomed.
    Yeah, I think Amazon would look at past Bond composers. I don't think they're that naive, even if they need all the Bondian help they can get. They brought Howard Shore to compose the opening of their LOTR series. Then they hired Bear McCreary for the full score, because of his history with historical series. So maybe Amazon might look at Arnold, Newman & Zimmer, then pick one.

    Still the best piece of Bond music I’ve heard in these last years:



    AMAZON, this is the Bond sound!

    Pretty good who composed this, on my mobile phone. Sounds a bit like Michael Giacchino Incredibles score which I love, there is a great Bond homage sequence in The Incredibles.
    Bring David Arnold back Amazon... (Just listening to TWINE score)

    Given modern scoring, we’ll probably get Lorne Balfe.

    A fair point though I do like Lorne Balfe work I have a few of his film scores, he is one of the best composers currently.

    Arnold did, of course ;) He did it for N Peal.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited 6:57pm Posts: 25,611
    Univex wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    Bring David Arnold back Amazon... (Just listening to TWINE score)
    Yes, please. That’d be the best news!

    After a long hiatus I suspect Arnold would have some pretty good Bond material in his locker so to speak, an Arnold return would be universally welcomed.
    Yeah, I think Amazon would look at past Bond composers. I don't think they're that naive, even if they need all the Bondian help they can get. They brought Howard Shore to compose the opening of their LOTR series. Then they hired Bear McCreary for the full score, because of his history with historical series. So maybe Amazon might look at Arnold, Newman & Zimmer, then pick one.

    Still the best piece of Bond music I’ve heard in these last years:



    AMAZON, this is the Bond sound!

    Pretty good who composed this, on my mobile phone. Sounds a bit like Michael Giacchino Incredibles score which I love, there is a great Bond homage sequence in The Incredibles.
    Bring David Arnold back Amazon... (Just listening to TWINE score)

    Given modern scoring, we’ll probably get Lorne Balfe.

    A fair point though I do like Lorne Balfe work I have a few of his film scores, he is one of the best composers currently.

    Arnold did, of course ;) He did it for N Peal.

    It's great, I have never listened to that thank you. Or if I had I completely forgot
  • Posts: 204
    Can they just let loose with the merchandise? Get those old games on modern consoles, more collectibles, more comics, more toys.
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
    edited 7:01pm Posts: 752
    re: that DailyMail article
    I don't think Broccoli ever had any plans to make Bond 26, not without Wilson or Craig. NTTD was so extreme in what it did that it felt like her mic drop moment. I think she stalled Amazon for as long as she could, then cashed out.

    Though it is ironic how she can talk about respecting the legacy of the character after what she did with NTTD.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    I know it wont happen now but I always wanted to know what a John Williams Bond score would have sounded like.

    I am a big fan of Lalo Schifrin and I listen to Bullitt often I would have liked a Lalo Bond score in the 70's.

    Williams Indy films are probably the closest to a potential Bond Williams score. Williams would have been great, the Desert Chase track from Raiders... is awesome Williams could have done something equally as good and intense for Bond.
  • R1s1ngs0nR1s1ngs0n France
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    I know it wont happen now but I always wanted to know what a John Williams Bond score would have sounded like.

    I am a big fan of Lalo Schifrin and I listen to Bullitt often I would have liked a Lalo Bond score in the 70's.

    Williams Indy films are probably the closest to a potential Bond Williams score. Williams would have been great, the Desert Chase track from Raiders... is awesome Williams could have done something equally as good and intense for Bond.

    I adore Schifrin. IMO Lalo is the only film composer who could have given us a Bond score on par with Barry's best work.
  • Posts: 98
    All this is so depressing, time to watch CR again.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited 7:17pm Posts: 25,611
    R1s1ngs0n wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    I know it wont happen now but I always wanted to know what a John Williams Bond score would have sounded like.

    I am a big fan of Lalo Schifrin and I listen to Bullitt often I would have liked a Lalo Bond score in the 70's.

    Williams Indy films are probably the closest to a potential Bond Williams score. Williams would have been great, the Desert Chase track from Raiders... is awesome Williams could have done something equally as good and intense for Bond.

    I adore Schifrin. IMO Lalo is the only film composer who could have given us a Bond score on par with Barry's best work.

    Brilliant all the elements are there, Shirley is the Bond sound.
    km16 wrote: »
    Can they just let loose with the merchandise? Get those old games on modern consoles, more collectibles, more comics, more toys.

    Thankfully I have quite a few of the games on old consoles, I would be happy to see them on next gen consoles for sure.
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