EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards

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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited 12:35am Posts: 8,318
    The only thing we know about Fleming is that he was happy as long as the paychecks were coming. He initially dogged on the DN film and Connery’s casting, but as soon as that film became a hit he immediately changed his tune. If he knew a James Bond film would have been a hit with a black actor in the role he would sleep just fine at night on top of a pile of money.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited 12:50am Posts: 6,477
    bondywondy wrote: »
    Bit of trivia
    So Michael has two sons and Barbara has a daughter, and none of them had any interest in continuing on James Bond?

    Aaron-McGahon-Barbara-Broccoli-Michael-G-Wilson.jpg art by aaron mcgahon

    Maybe it's too much responsibility. You have the combined pressure of delivering a rebooted Bond franchise and dealing with Amazon. Quite intimidating to anyone that's entering the film business or hasn't had much experience in the industry. Gregg Wilson has been an associate producer on recent Bond films but maybe he didn't want the responsibility or Eon didn't think he was the right person to continue the franchise.

    There was something offhand in the recent podcast that hinted that Gregg Wilson recently did something wrong or off-putting from Eon's perspective (I doubt that this was his comment in the WSG about diversity because we know Barbara made similar comments). I have no idea what it was. Maybe he didn't have the same producer chops as Barbara and Michael, and they decided time was up.
    The only thing we know about Fleming is that he was happy as long as the paychecks were coming. He initially dogged on the DN film and Connery’s casting, but as soon as that film became a hit he immediately changed his tune. If he knew a James Bond film would have been a hit with a black actor in the role he would sleep just fine at night on top of a pile of money.

    I agree completely. Fleming was always trying to sell the rights to whatever story to any number of companies. For him, it came down to money.

    Fleming was a bit like Robert DeNiro. "What's that, a script? I'll do it!"

    If it's a contemporary Bond movie, Bond can be any race (supposedly by 2060, the UK will be majority-minority). There are, in fact, Black and Asian people at Eton, Oxford, etc.

    If it's period, then I think he needs to be white because of the old boys club.
  • edited 12:46am Posts: 4,640
    The only thing we know about Fleming is that he was happy as long as the paychecks were coming. He initially dogged on the DN film and Connery’s casting, but as soon as that film became a hit he immediately changed his tune. If he knew a James Bond film would have been a hit with a black actor in the role he would sleep just fine at night on top of a pile of money.

    I love Fleming's novels and think that DNA should always be there with the cinematic character (with EON I think that thread is what made those films work in terms of what they built upon, and was always there, no matter how far they strayed) but I think it's a mistake to try and definitely say what Fleming would have wanted. Especially considering we're talking of hypotheticals and things he never had the chance to think about in the same way we do. His opinions towards his literary character were probably contradictory in interviews, and certainly how he felt about the first two Bond movies would not have been recognisable to us Bond fans. It certainly gives us no indication of this.

    If fans want to stick to Fleming's text and believe that's the blueprint of casting, fine. But it's such a specific thing getting an actor with black hair, blue eyes, and is 6 foot. You discount actors like Moore or Craig (even Connery if you go further with his brown eyes and Scottish accent). I genuinely don't believe, and can't see, how it's an argument to hold validity on.
  • edited 1:34am Posts: 461
    The new James Bond and Friends podcast chat suggests Gregg Wilson did something wrong. No mention what, though. Perhaps he didn't pay his last income tax? Voted for Trump? Said he preferred Mission Impossible to Bond?

    🤭

    Anyway, here's an interesting article from Telegraph suggesting Amazon have made a Bond type product - Citadel - and it wasn't good.
    Vanishing without a trace is not a fate a 21st-century James Bond is likely to suffer. But the failure of Citadel is nonetheless a depressing sneak preview of what may lie ahead for Ian Fleming’s super-spook. Cheesy and hamstrung by too much executive meddling, Citadel took a sure-fire formula – spies hop around the globe shooting people – and missed the target by a mile.

    Apply the same treatment to Bond, and cinema’s favourite spy might well suffer a fate worse than the one Goldfinger had in mind when he strapped Sean Connery to that table and whipped out his laser. A cack-handed Prime Video might well leave Bond morally wounded, and anyone who suffered through Citadel will fear the worst.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/amazon-james-bond-citadel-russo-brothers/

    Looking at it from a more positive perspective, it's possible the mistakes in Citadel may be avoided with Bond. If certain elements in Citadel - plot, casting, use of locations etc - didn't gel then Amazon will know what to avoid when making Bond 26. Citadel getting negative feedback may not automatically mean Bond 26 will be similar.





  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,477
    bondywondy wrote: »
    The new James Bond and Friends podcast chat suggests Gregg Wilson did something wrong. No mention what, though. Perhaps he didn't pay his last income tax? Voted for Trump? Said he preferred Mission Impossible to Bond?

    🤭

    I want to know! They weren't spilling on the podcast...but why didn't they pass Eon to the next generation, or to a hybrid Barbara/Gregg situation? Somebody DM me.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    Posts: 597
    I think Gregg was in charge of the Spectre plane sequence and some people didn't like that, just spitballing here.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,378
    Could it possibly be from The Rhythm Section underperforming?
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,318
    007HallY wrote: »
    The only thing we know about Fleming is that he was happy as long as the paychecks were coming. He initially dogged on the DN film and Connery’s casting, but as soon as that film became a hit he immediately changed his tune. If he knew a James Bond film would have been a hit with a black actor in the role he would sleep just fine at night on top of a pile of money.

    If fans want to stick to Fleming's text and believe that's the blueprint of casting, fine. But it's such a specific thing getting an actor with black hair, blue eyes, and is 6 foot. You discount actors like Moore or Craig (even Connery if you go further with his brown eyes and Scottish accent). I genuinely don't believe, and can't see, how it's an argument to hold validity on.

    Heck, Fleming only wrote in Bond’s Scottish lineage as a nod to Connery.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
    edited 4:20am Posts: 707
    When it comes to what Bond should look like, for me, it’s pretty simple.

    Does the actor look like he could hold his own in a fight, with all but the most physically privileged opponents?

    Does he look like he could seduce any woman he wants? Bearing in mind, he doesn’t have to be conventionally attractive; Casanova had a big nose, scars, and a wart on his chin and he did just fine.

    If the answer to both of these questions is ‘yes’, then he probably has the look to play Bond.

    Things like hair, eye, and skin colour have no bearing on either of these qualities. A blonde-haired man can be just as sexually attractive and alluring as a dark haired one, and a brown-eyed man can be just as physically proficient as a blue-eyed one. What’s important is how Bond's appearance communicates aspects of his character.
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