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It truly was a killer performance (pun intended).
;) . He was the best thing in the film
Since this is after all all about taste ( and I also feel that Apted did quite a few things wrong in the movie )I agree with every word you say. I am also aware that for us and then makes some funny faces in TWINE (which I actually fault the director for since this is what he is on the set. To tell the actors that they done wrong.) but not in this scene. Not to me. But again, it's all about taste.
Regarding the stories - You see I am foremost a reader and to me a minimum of logic and also originality is absolutely essential. After all, if I read a book that's acceptable good written but features a plot I have read several times before, why should I care for the novel and not lay it to the side in favor of some book written by someone who has to offer me something new and creative. Call me a snob but if someone hasn't got anything new creative and original and him in my eyes he or she should have no business in the entertainment industry. Well maybe except as a bean counter, that is. When I see all the products on the market, be it movies ( including a zillion of reboots, remakes or whatever per year), novels or whatever I know I am a minority but still this is how I feel.
Regarding the last two movies they feel like a permanent slap in my face to me ( and believe me I am not a nitpicker when it comes to James Bond storylines. After all it was TSWLM which brought me into the game.).
TWINE at least was polite enough not to insult my intellect every minutes of the film.
I've always felt that SF nailed the 'experience' of a Bond film, particularly in the visual/aural space, and that is one of the reasons for its massive success. Right from the first trailer it telegraphed something special which evoked (to me) the great Bond entries from the past. I think it succeeded on this level, immeasurably, and that is why it hooked so many people. Bladerunner is another film that did that. It's not only the visuals, but also in the characters and their interactions as well as the overall 'atmosphere' and 'aesthetic'. Were some of us conned by this surface gloss? Perhaps, but there are also the underlying thematic aspects which made us think (and feel?) even if the specific plot had gaps.
TWINE lacks all of these above qualities for me, and that is one of the primary reasons I can't enjoy the film. If it did, I might have actually liked it. SP has some of the qualities, but I just didn't like the way they pulled it together. The visual/aural experience and character interactions didn't resonate with me. It seemed clunky & jarring, rather than flowing smoothly. It could have been so much better, and that is the frustrating thing about it.
You're right though, it really is a matter of taste. I've seen members passionately argue in TWINE's defense, including embracing particular scenes, which I honestly can't stand. We can see the same scene and have a different interpretation and experience depending on our own sensibilities. What is moving to some may appear cheesy to others.
Don't foget the Most Laid Man Alive getting really excited checking out a porno mag in the banker's office and walking through the hallway with it opened. Like he is a normal porn-reading Joe Schmo.
These and the fact Blofeld does not recoginze Bond are the biggest and dire mistakes in an otherwise incredible mobie.
Playboy was never a porno and especially in the swinging 60s a highly regarded thing in certain circles, including intellectuals.
And some Bond stories were printed in Playboy…I think OHMSS was serialised in it, so a little 'in' joke there from Peter Hunt.
He isn t reading a Bond story.
No,he is just keeping 'abreast' of the situation.
For me, Bond blackmailing Patricia in TB makes me uncomfortable. Granted, she has "that look", but still, it's creepy as hell.
Some runner-uppers: DAF’s final act + an unsatisfying Blofeld story following OHMSS (the way they chose to continue was poor), TMWTGG slide whistle, MR pigeon double take, MR Jaws falling in love, OP’s tarzan yell, TWINE finale after Elektra’s death (it just feels pointless; she made the film), DAD’s surfing scene, SP post-Blofeld reveal (I like most of the film leading up, but SP’s third act is pretty dire).
I’m probably forgetting a few, but these bother me the most.
Same. I think TWINE was them trying something new and SF was them going back to a lot of those ideas and smoothing out the rough edges. Both are top ten for me.
You never know. Bond is a known name in some of the films, and the YOLT obituary mentions that there are books based on Bond's missions.
This is certainly a strange directorial decision by Hunt. I mean is he insinuating that Bond is planning to go back to the hotel and tease one out? Surely he could just pick up a bird in the hotel bar?
It's Gumbold I feel sorry for. Bereft of Bond's charisma at pulling and with Mrs Gumbold well past her sell by date and only allowing him a go at Christmas and his birthday he's just nipped out for a jar of hand cream only to come back and find someone's robbed his centrefold and ruined his afternoon relaxation.
Well, when you put it like that... ;-)
I kinda agree. Even the other times Bond slapped a woman or forced Pussy Galore in the hay - there was a big picture element to it. Not that it made it right and - but they were at least for information or to "turn" the women into saving the world or trying to find out who was wanting to kill him. Always something with a somewhat thinly veiled noble cause. The sexual harassment in TB was not one of those times. The fact that Patricia Fearing liked it in the end doesn't exactly make it less disturbing.
But, there could be a cover-up to Bond's claim about "someone wishing the day hasn't happened". He didn't want to be in the spotlight and making a big deal out of it by saying he was attacked by someone so he had to slip under the veil and track Lippe down from the shadows. It sort of makes sense from that angle.
But to me, Pat was flirting with Bond all the time and it did not at all appear as if he really blackmailed her but they teased each other in a flirting way whereas Bond really forces himself onto Pussy. I doubt it was not seen this way in 1964 ...
Especially once she saw 007 gyrating on the orgasmatron
I had a similar one in 2015 during the 'hanging photos' sequence.
The hanging photos may be lame and heavy handed, but the iceberg surfing was all that plus it was technically inept.
Did Pierce ever try to put his foot down about that scene ?
He must have seen the finished product.